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On June 10 2015 16:50 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 16:45 Cascade wrote:
I feel it's fair. If you don't pay, why do people feel so entitled to HQ stream? >_>
. Because we're in 2015.
2015 is the year of companies not trying to earn money? 2015 is the year where you complain on the quality of products you get for free?
it's a sample! Meant to make you want to subscribe! You are not a customer, you are a potential customer consuming free samples. Like those free little shampoo-samples you get! Do you complain that there is not enough shampoo in the shampoo samples because you can only wash your hair 2 times with it, not 3 as you could last year?
Yeah, they get a tiny profit from the ads (unless you use ad-block, that the majority of us do I assume), but that won't be many cents per viewer.
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Never seen so many people declaring against watching GSL altogether.
I've been expecting this ever since the SSL came out with almost exact same maps, same format, same timeslot and similar player pool. Why watch the same thing for the second time in way inferior visual quality? Same reason I myself dont watch WCS EU/NA but stayed the whole night watching MLG few years ago.
This was not the case with the dual leagues setup in BW back then. We only have Blizzard to blame for their league management.
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On June 10 2015 17:05 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 17:02 swissman777 wrote:On June 10 2015 17:00 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
I wonder what salary Artosis and Tastless gets. I think I rather have two foreigners just talk over the korean stream (like Nathanias did way back with Proleague).
In that way we get good quality and decent casting. Now it's horrible quality and bad casting. Great bait mate. He's right though. I love Tastosis but they give zero fucks any more
Agreed, the GSL is more like a Tastosis talk show now with a game playing in the background they comment on from time to time.
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On June 10 2015 17:02 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 17:00 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
I wonder what salary Artosis and Tastless gets. I think I rather have two foreigners just talk over the korean stream (like Nathanias did way back with Proleague).
In that way we get good quality and decent casting. Now it's horrible quality and bad casting. Great bait mate.
Bait?
I don't think that they are providing good commentary, it's just unprofessional goofiness all the time with no of interest in the game.
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lol umm...bad business move -_-
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Imho, I can only hope that this is a good decision.
It's hard to see the actual financial situation of GOM, so I can't claim whether this is an act of desperation or cunning and arrogant display of entrepreneurship. However, usually every legitimate corporations acts desperate because they are truly desperate. They don't use cheap tricks to cash in unless they are very confident with their customer loyalty (ie youtube and maybe apple). Desperate times call for desperate and panicky measures. If you truly want GSL to continue on with its great production, you should try to pity them and help them.
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On June 10 2015 17:08 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 17:02 swissman777 wrote:On June 10 2015 17:00 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
I wonder what salary Artosis and Tastless gets. I think I rather have two foreigners just talk over the korean stream (like Nathanias did way back with Proleague).
In that way we get good quality and decent casting. Now it's horrible quality and bad casting. Great bait mate. Bait? I don't think that they are providing good commentary, it's just unprofessional goofiness all the time with no of interest in the game.
A lot of people, including me, like their commentary but if it means that the free stream is in low quality it's not worth it, in my opinion.
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hahaaaaaa, GOM is a joke. Blizzard needs to go a pair and start forcing some fucking rules. Koreans ain't special.
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Low quality streaming totally is the solution to all the problems that relate to the product, I'm pretty sure!
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On June 10 2015 17:04 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +
"But all the other tournaments are free!"
Yeah, maybe they don't have the attraction to get many paying viewers. As a few posters have said, GSL is the most prestigious tournament (or so many think), so many people are ready to pay to see it, even with other "lesser" tournaments available for free. Which is why this move is an option for GSL, but probably not viable for any other tournament, as very few would actually pay for it. It's not a matter of the other tournaments being nice and passionate about SC2, it's just not a good move for them to shut out free views.
Fair enough, but prestige and brand image are not infinite. If they keep on like this, will come a time when GSL will not be seen as the most prestigious SC2 tournament, but as the shitty tournament with crap quality while SSL will be all hype. They maybe gain financially from losing 100 free viewers for every new subscriber, but they certainly don't gain in prestige and image.
Yeah, I can't judge myself if it is a good business move. It could be as you say that it is a profitable move short term, but not long term. Maybe it's a "ded gaem" move, trying to cash out as much as possible on their prestige before they inevitably go down? :o Oh, the conspiracy theories...
Anyway, I just got a bit annoyed at all the people that behaved as if they had a say in it, as if they were paying customers that didn't get the product they paid for. Sorry.
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On June 10 2015 17:15 Noonius wrote:
hahaaaaaa, GOM is a joke. Blizzard needs to go a pair and start forcing some fucking rules. Koreans ain't special.
Apparently gomexp is the only one able to still give more WCS points with low resolution stream than a tier 1 event.
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On June 10 2015 17:13 swissman777 wrote:
Imho, I can only hope that this is a good decision.
It's hard to see the actual financial situation of GOM, so I can't claim whether this is an act of desperation or cunning and arrogant display of entrepreneurship. However, usually every legitimate corporations acts desperate because they are truly desperate. They don't use cheap tricks to cash in unless they are very confident with their customer loyalty (ie youtube and maybe apple). Desperate times call for desperate and panicky measures. If you truly want GSL to continue on with its great production, you should try to pity them and help them.
Or like in the real world let competition decide on who get's to stay and who doesn't. GSL has been very prestigous up to this point, but whoever offers the better product (in this case best quality for smallest investment, which clearly isn't GOM right now) gets the majority of viewership in that department.
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On June 10 2015 17:19 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 17:04 OtherWorld wrote:
"But all the other tournaments are free!"
Yeah, maybe they don't have the attraction to get many paying viewers. As a few posters have said, GSL is the most prestigious tournament (or so many think), so many people are ready to pay to see it, even with other "lesser" tournaments available for free. Which is why this move is an option for GSL, but probably not viable for any other tournament, as very few would actually pay for it. It's not a matter of the other tournaments being nice and passionate about SC2, it's just not a good move for them to shut out free views.
Fair enough, but prestige and brand image are not infinite. If they keep on like this, will come a time when GSL will not be seen as the most prestigious SC2 tournament, but as the shitty tournament with crap quality while SSL will be all hype. They maybe gain financially from losing 100 free viewers for every new subscriber, but they certainly don't gain in prestige and image. Yeah, I can't judge myself if it is a good business move. It could be as you say that it is a profitable move short term, but not long term. Maybe it's a "ded gaem" move, trying to cash out as much as possible on their prestige before they inevitably go down? :o Oh, the conspiracy theories... Anyway, I just got a bit annoyed at all the people that behaved as if they had a say in it, as if they were paying customers that didn't get the product they paid for. Sorry.
No need to apologize, discussion is good (:
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wow.... this is really bad
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One of the only subscriptions I own is to GSL. given the amount of content I watch it's a good bargain. This change won't impact me.
However it is troubling, what does this say about the state of GOM?
Furthermore I know a lot of students/low income situations watch the GSL every day and this must be a real pain when a subscription is a luxury they can't afford.
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On June 10 2015 17:07 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 16:50 Noocta wrote:On June 10 2015 16:45 Cascade wrote:
I feel it's fair. If you don't pay, why do people feel so entitled to HQ stream? >_>
. Because we're in 2015. 2015 is the year of companies not trying to earn money? 2015 is the year where you complain on the quality of products you get for free? it's a sample! Meant to make you want to subscribe! You are not a customer, you are a potential customer consuming free samples. Like those free little shampoo-samples you get! Do you complain that there is not enough shampoo in the shampoo samples because you can only wash your hair 2 times with it, not 3 as you could last year? Yeah, they get a tiny profit from the ads (unless you use ad-block, that the majority of us do I assume), but that won't be many cents per viewer.
Its the year people aren't bothered anymore to watch non HD content.
Honestly at this point, I'd rather see them turn full PPV.
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On June 10 2015 15:56 Nezgar wrote:
I've been very disappointed with Tastosis for a while now, lowering the stream quality back to low again will probably seal the deal for me. It's just a string of very very poor developments in recent times when it comes to the GSL:
-VoD system gone
-Code A gone
-Tastosis in a passion slump
-a lot of problems with laggy/stuttering streams
-low quality
I really can't think of any reason why I should pay for the GSL at the moment. S3SL and SPL are both more entertaining and have a better production quality.
But instead of taking this as an opportunity to win back the hearts of the fans GOM decides to slam the door shut. Whatever, I don't even care at this point anymore.
Oh, and this is coming from someone who used to pay for GSL for quite a while...
I agree more or less with the whole point. I ussually don't tune for live streams, so VODs are a must and when I do - I don't bother with LQ GSL, while I do watch SSL and PL.
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On June 10 2015 17:07 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 16:50 Noocta wrote:On June 10 2015 16:45 Cascade wrote:
I feel it's fair. If you don't pay, why do people feel so entitled to HQ stream? >_>
. Because we're in 2015. 2015 is the year of companies not trying to earn money? 2015 is the year where you complain on the quality of products you get for free? it's a sample! Meant to make you want to subscribe! You are not a customer, you are a potential customer consuming free samples. Like those free little shampoo-samples you get! Do you complain that there is not enough shampoo in the shampoo samples because you can only wash your hair 2 times with it, not 3 as you could last year? Yeah, they get a tiny profit from the ads (unless you use ad-block, that the majority of us do I assume), but that won't be many cents per viewer.
The thing is literally everyone provides high quality for free except for GSL. So yeah, I'd say it's normal that people feel entitled to have hq.
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On June 10 2015 17:08 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 17:02 swissman777 wrote:On June 10 2015 17:00 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
I wonder what salary Artosis and Tastless gets. I think I rather have two foreigners just talk over the korean stream (like Nathanias did way back with Proleague).
In that way we get good quality and decent casting. Now it's horrible quality and bad casting. Great bait mate. Bait? I don't think that they are providing good commentary, it's just unprofessional goofiness all the time with no of interest in the game.
Everyone has his own taste in casting, so I can't argue for everyone, but I'll argue for myelf.
The tastosis duo imo is great for precisely their unique sense of humour and attitude towards casting. It's not necessarily funny, but casual and funny enough that I never get bored. Each match they cast feels unique. This gives the VODs great replay value. I don't tend to watch proleague and SSL in eng nowadays unless live because Wolf/Moonglades/Valdes combo fail to bring in hype as much as the Korean Casters (I understand Korean) or keep me entertained throughout the video like Tastosis.
Tastosis may be cheesy and weird, but it's way better than Valdes, for example, who states the obvious and repeats "Huge" so much that listening to him feels mundane and grey. Wolf,Moonglade and Valdes cast, but as a result, every VOD feels the same with different results. They may throw in some occasional jokes here and there, but in vain compared to the sheer amount and variation that Tastosis duo puts in to entertain the audience when nothing is happening. Even the Korean way to casting feels the same after a while.
Also, you can't just hire any foreigner and expect it to go well. Any other established casters like Nathanias would probably reject any offer GOM gives to him that is cheaper than what it pays tastosis. Remember, if you want your employees to produce high quality work, you have to give enough incentive.
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