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GOM switches free quality of GSL back to low - Page 4
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
I subscribed to almost every season until the nightmare that was the switch to twitch and likely won't do it again at this rate. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On June 10 2015 16:45 Cascade wrote: I feel it's fair. If you don't pay, why do people feel so entitled to HQ stream? >_> . Because we're in 2015. | ||
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
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Odowan Paleolithic
United States232 Posts
On June 10 2015 16:31 Pandemona wrote: Wow if they are really struggling money wise...they are in huge trouble now lol. Literally better option would be give 720p for free and spam adds 100x more. I subbed for a year then stopped. Since even with 720 stream there is 15min long non-banner ads that is worse than any other tournament. "Your game, done right". So the only value of subscription is to watch Vods before season ends. But if you are not in a hurry to watch live why not just wait longer? Thanks to Sbenu so we can finally have some reasonable ads. | ||
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Creager
Germany1894 Posts
On June 10 2015 16:35 graNite wrote: the biggest joke is how they want to get paid for the english stream but koreans get free hd. is this the racism khaldor was talking about? Considering they have to compete with LoL I guess they just can't afford to put SC2 behind a paywall in Korea, but tbh I won't support this re-reverting to further milk western audiences while they sit in the studio and feast on pizza we've most likely paid for. Really sad, this only hurts SC2 further. | ||
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Penev
28476 Posts
On June 10 2015 15:56 ZackAttack wrote: I would really appreciate it if you could explain how to do that. I cant watch low. You can watch the YT stream (Korean) with Hola (free VPN) or, if it works, R1CH's Wizard stream (also in Korean). With Livestreamer and VLC you could try to sync the English Twich stream with it but that's a pain, I usually don't bother. But yeah this sucks. If Tastosis are that expensive (if that is what's causing this considering they do this just for the English stream) than I'm sorry; They might want to reconsider their salaries. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On June 10 2015 16:47 RolyPoly~ wrote: i am a starcraft fan, not a gsl fan, i guess most ppl are.. careful, salt ahead + Show Spoiler + especially these days, where i seem to be getting more and more annoyed at tasteless 'casting'.. if you can call it that.. imo his voice is really unpleasant and he seems to be at a loss for words more often than not.. yes, he's done great things for starcarft&esports in general blablabla.. i get that, but the quality of casting i get in proleague or ssl is just so much higher every way i look at it.. so now gom tells me i can't see the details of what's happening anymore and i don't wanna listen to the guy who's supposed to tell me what's happening.. if gom hires someone else instead i will consider watching again.. i'll be reading the results on liquipedia, at least there i can see the numbers clearly.. Yes, agree on tasteless. So much off-topic, so little starcraft from him. Really decreases the experience for me.  I watched the VODS of the GSL finals Life vs Parting, and tasteless (and artosis ofc) were actually excited about the game and talked about it all the times, and it was great commentary! So he still can when he feels like. Then I went back and watched one of the quarterfinals from the same tournament, and tasteless didn't care the slightest and the observer was following all the tech-switches and close-call scouting (and I guess mind games? dont know) in early-mid game while tasteless was talking about something completely unrelated. :/I feel I have been complaining about him a lot recently (sorry) and I feel a bit like a hater for all the negative posts, but as there is a fair chance that GOM people will read this thread, I think this is a good opportunity to deliver some feedback. I'll stop now though, this is enough.  | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
By the way, for me it is not about the money - I simply do not have time to watch GSL or SSL all the time / catch up on all the vods, so a subscription does not make sense for me. I just watch it occasionally and I am not going to spend money on it then! | ||
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PepsiMaxxxx
Sweden5452 Posts
In that way we get good quality and decent casting. Now it's horrible quality and bad casting. | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On June 10 2015 16:56 Creager wrote: Considering they have to compete with LoL I guess they just can't afford to put SC2 behind a paywall in Korea, but tbh I won't support this re-reverting to further milk western audiences while they sit in the studio and feast on pizza we've most likely paid for. Really sad, this only hurts SC2 further. That's SSL if you're talking about free pizzas | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
I wont pay ant wont watch.If they want to destroy themselves,fine by me. I barely have the money to pay for internet,not gonna pay for this. LoL,Dota,CS etc. all free,no wonder SC2 is in trouble. | ||
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Creager
Germany1894 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:01 swissman777 wrote: That's SSL if you're talking about free pizzas Nah at least a few years back GSL offered free pizza as well. Guess times change  | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:00 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: I wonder what salary Artosis and Tastless gets. I think I rather have two foreigners just talk over the korean stream (like Nathanias did way back with Proleague). In that way we get good quality and decent casting. Now it's horrible quality and bad casting. Great bait mate. | ||
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revalence123
United States102 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On June 10 2015 16:45 Cascade wrote: I feel it's fair. If you don't pay, why do people feel so entitled to HQ stream? >_> Because others provide HQ for free? You get ads on both whether it's GSL low quality or others' high quality. They fail at monetizing properly their viewers without a paywall. I don't like ads, but if you can watch tournaments with high quality for free, that means it's doable... Now that there's also the NSSL and proleague, the GSL has a hard time to evolve and adapt it seems... They're not the only prestigious SC2 tournament in korea now. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On June 10 2015 16:45 Cascade wrote: I feel it's fair. If you don't pay, why do people feel so entitled to HQ stream? >_> I dunno, maybe because GSL is the only tournament of all SC2 and even (correct me if I'm wrong) CS:GO/LoL/DotA/HS tournaments to not have a HQ stream for free? Industry standards are industry standards for a reason. What would people say if a service like iTunes would only allow you to download music in mp3 32 kbps unless you paid an extra 1$ per song? Would you say then "why do people feel so entitled to decent quality music files? >_>" ? They try their best to earn money of their product, and they seem to think that they will earn more from the paying viewers than they will lose on advertisement from the leaving non-paying viewers. With ad-block and all, I really don't think a free viewer is worth much more than what they pay for the bandwidth. I think a paying viewer is worth a lot of free viewers at least, especially if you subtract the bandwidth costs, so even if they lose 100 free viewers for every new subscriber, I think they will gain from the switch. If they are not making enough profits with free medium, then either they are wanting way too much profits, or there's something seriously wrong about their business model. Again, they are the only ones doing that. "But all the other tournaments are free!" Yeah, maybe they don't have the attraction to get many paying viewers. As a few posters have said, GSL is the most prestigious tournament (or so many think), so many people are ready to pay to see it, even with other "lesser" tournaments available for free. Which is why this move is an option for GSL, but probably not viable for any other tournament, as very few would actually pay for it. It's not a matter of the other tournaments being nice and passionate about SC2, it's just not a good move for them to shut out free views. Fair enough, but prestige and brand image are not infinite. If they keep on like this, will come a time when GSL will not be seen as the most prestigious SC2 tournament, but as the shitty tournament with crap quality while SSL will be all hype. They maybe gain financially from losing 100 free viewers for every new subscriber, but they certainly don't gain in prestige and image. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
He's right though. I love Tastosis but they give zero fucks any more | ||
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baiesradu
Romania150 Posts
If you expect free high quality products you are just a beggar and no business model is designed for you. No matter the industry, people working somewhere have to make enough to make a living , bring profit to their owner or their job would not exist . If you are in a stage in your life where you can not afford to support the things that you love, it's ok , we have all been there, that still does not give you the right to demand something . Appreciate the things made from passion by someone else and understand that even Teamliquid , Basetrade, GSL exist because of the people that can support it with money not with demands for something in exchange for nothing. I think the only reason for the GSL twitch english channel is the foreign audience , which is not their main target nor their main source of income. So they could continue without it. So if you like Tastosis, wolf and you want them to continue support GSL if you can . At least that is my opinion .. | ||
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