EPTPersonally I think this nerf is not enough, but that's just me. We will see where Blizzard will go with this.
Update on HotS Balance - December 3 - Page 5
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
Personally I think this nerf is not enough, but that's just me. We will see where Blizzard will go with this. | ||
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Picasso
Korea (South)52 Posts
On December 04 2014 04:15 Lumi wrote: Where's that zerg buff mmm what a tasty prospect. Who has ideas for what zerg buffs could be made which wouldn't be too much? I think the zerg drop upgrade is long overdue for having its time and price decreased ... cut 33% of the time and drop it to 150/150.. what do you think? :D It would bring back brood war flavor in a big way, too. I like this idea a lot. Z drop play is always entertaining to watch (maybe cuz it happens so rarely? If so then they might lose their novelty value with the buff), and underused. 50/50 decrease seems reasonable enough. Blizz prob just hasn't even thought about Z drop upgrades though. But then again, we saw the roach burrow movement speed upgrade have no effect on matchups other than ZvZ... | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
Pretty important imo, as widow mines are often used as a cheap counter to carriers when playing mech. | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
You're welcome? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16100 Posts
zerg just won blizzcon, we might have a pvp final at hot6ix cup and solar has won two tournaments as well. Right after the widow mine buff terran was clearly overperforming for a period but now it seems that the other races have adapted. Based on the last few tournaments i don't see any imbalance at all. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Satan Battles
4 Posts
On December 04 2014 03:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm all for this  A minor change to a very versatile unit. Nice! By versatile I think you mean: "Absolutely dominates and shits on everything in the game." | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On December 04 2014 05:09 Charoisaur wrote: although i like this change i think DK is a little fast with his conclusion that terran is overperforming. zerg just won blizzcon, we might have a pvp final at hot6ix cup and solar has won two tournaments as well. Right after the widow mine buff terran was clearly overperforming for a period but now it seems that the other races have adapted. Based on the last few tournaments i don't see any imbalance at all. This to me doesn't even seen that much of a nerf. It's more aimed at allowing protoss to have more options, which makes PvT more entertaining. It's not fun to watch /play a matchup where you already know what's going to happen. Plus, templar openings often make for much more intense games, with constant engagements and trading. I mean, it's still a slight buff, because the terran player will be required to scout more carefully. But it isn't anything drastic. | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On December 04 2014 05:09 Charoisaur wrote: although i like this change i think DK is a little fast with his conclusion that terran is overperforming. zerg just won blizzcon, we might have a pvp final at hot6ix cup and solar has won two tournaments as well. Right after the widow mine buff terran was clearly overperforming for a period but now it seems that the other races have adapted. Based on the last few tournaments i don't see any imbalance at all. No protoss won a single BoX against a Korean Terran at Dreamhack. I realize the Terran lineup was better overall but in a balanced game there would probably be at least one upset, no? Also I'm curious why DK says Zerg is under-performing when Zerg have won more and bigger tournaments than Protoss. No Protoss made it to the finals of a WCS tournament in Season 3. (including Blizzcon) | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On December 04 2014 05:05 KingAlphard wrote: Did anyone mention yet that widow mines won't oneshot interceptors with splash damage anymore ? (they also have 80 hp). Pretty important imo, as widow mines are often used as a cheap counter to carriers when playing mech. Carriers? Mech vs Protoss? I thought we were talking about SC2 here  | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46483 Posts
On December 04 2014 03:51 sage_francis wrote: Once again, whiners won. That doesn't mean it's unjustifiable though. The change was based on the match-up data; sometimes, whiners have reasons to whine. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 04 2014 05:14 Cheren wrote: No protoss won a single BoX against a Korean Terran at Dreamhack. I realize the Terran lineup was better overall but in a balanced game there would probably be at least one upset, no? Also I'm curious why DK says Zerg is under-performing when Zerg have won more and bigger tournaments than Protoss. No Protoss made it to the finals of a WCS tournament in Season 3. (including Blizzcon) At the highest level Zerg had a quite a few lows against Protoss in the periode since the latest patch, Code A (20%), Hot6 Cup (16%), Dreamhack (41%), Blizzcon (25%). Also I think the other two challenger leagues in EU and AM were both like 20-25%. Though I don't think those are the most important stats to look like (very low amounts like only 7games in the Hot6 Cup), I think that's what blizzard bases their arguments upon. Personally I fully agree that Zerg is fine, but the mappool being a little harsh on them in both matchups (and much more signigicanlty for Protoss against Terran). | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46483 Posts
On December 04 2014 05:05 KingAlphard wrote: Did anyone mention yet that widow mines won't oneshot interceptors with splash damage anymore ? (they also have 80 hp). Pretty important imo, as widow mines are often used as a cheap counter to carriers when playing mech. Yeah I bet the balance crew looked at the overwhelming number of Protoss carrier games and thought this would do the trick... that this would be the carrier buff needed to make the ol' PvT carrier build completely balanced | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On December 04 2014 05:19 CakeSauc3 wrote: Carriers? Mech vs Protoss? I thought we were talking about SC2 here If you're a protoss player on the ladder you encounter mech pretty often. And when I play immortal/archon/ht vs mech everything dies against tanks and banshees so I prefer carriers. | ||
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Greenei
Germany1754 Posts
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Alchemik
Poland7124 Posts
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On December 04 2014 05:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah I bet the balance crew looked at the overwhelming number of Protoss carrier games and thought this would do the trick... that this would be the carrier buff needed to make the ol' PvT carrier build completely balanced No, I assume that they didn't take this into account when they thought about this possible patch. Still , it's a nice addition. There's no carrier build involved in what I'm talking about - just reactive carriers upon scouting mech. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16100 Posts
On December 04 2014 05:28 KingAlphard wrote: No, I assume that they didn't take this into account when they thought about this possible patch. Still , it's a nice addition. There's no carrier build involved in what I'm talking about - just reactive carriers upon scouting mech. a nice addition??? that a rarely seen playstyle gets nerfed even more? | ||
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