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Samx
Profile Joined August 2013
Singapore149 Posts
December 11 2014 16:06 GMT
#461
Quite surprised nobody bring up how Taeja's 4 skill mines wiped out Curious's flock of 20+ mutas in 0.1 second.
Oh wait. There was 1 muta remaining.

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Our enemies are a legion and STILL you procrastinate
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-11 16:19:40
December 11 2014 16:17 GMT
#462
On December 11 2014 23:29 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 19:06 ZenithM wrote:
On December 11 2014 18:48 deacon.frost wrote:
Yay, SSL turning into TvT league. But why to care, Terrans are just better, right?

Well, at least I can skip the league.
Edit>(also the qualified zerg column is just ridiculous)

Funny thing is, the qualified zergs have no chance against more than half of the Terran column even with a balanced game. Solar, Dark, ByuL and Rogue? Would you really put them on par with Maru, Innovation and Flash (and others imo, but I'll just mention those 3 since those aren't debatable ;D)?
Only Soulkey has proven himself top class.


Serious? Solar outdid Soulkey in results this year. He deserves to be considered a top-tier Zerg.

As for Dark, ByuL, and Rogue, they're all likely candidates to be breakout Zergs in the near future.

I'm actually not disappointed in the challenger league Zerg lineup at all. All of the best Zergs qualified minus soO and DRG. Leenock is the only surprise.


Yup. I wouldn't even call Rouge a break-out player. He has been pretty darn strong in proleauge at times and has many great results to his name in the last half year. At this point, very few exceptions aside, he is only losing to the very best players in the world while beating same ones at many occasions:
Zest, herO, Parting, Solar, Flash to name some of the who-is-who in Korean Starcraft he has beaten lately. If he improves his ZvZ that guy has it in him to go far very soon.

On December 12 2014 01:06 Samx wrote:
Quite surprised nobody bring up how Taeja's 4 skill mines wiped out Curious's flock of 20+ mutas in 0.1 second.
Oh wait. There was 1 muta remaining.

At least call them winner mines or whiner mines if you want to make it stick!
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
December 11 2014 16:59 GMT
#463
On December 11 2014 23:29 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 19:06 ZenithM wrote:
On December 11 2014 18:48 deacon.frost wrote:
Yay, SSL turning into TvT league. But why to care, Terrans are just better, right?

Well, at least I can skip the league.
Edit>(also the qualified zerg column is just ridiculous)

Funny thing is, the qualified zergs have no chance against more than half of the Terran column even with a balanced game. Solar, Dark, ByuL and Rogue? Would you really put them on par with Maru, Innovation and Flash (and others imo, but I'll just mention those 3 since those aren't debatable ;D)?
Only Soulkey has proven himself top class.


Serious? Solar outdid Soulkey in results this year. He deserves to be considered a top-tier Zerg.

As for Dark, ByuL, and Rogue, they're all likely candidates to be breakout Zergs in the near future.

I'm actually not disappointed in the challenger league Zerg lineup at all. All of the best Zergs qualified minus soO and DRG. Leenock is the only surprise.

People seem to think I said that ByuL, Dark and co are bad players. They're obviously good players. They're also obviously not of the caliber of the 3 Terran players I mentioned. And there are several more Terrans in that qualified list that are of at least a similar skill level. "Candidates to be breakout Zergs in the near future" does not equal "top class" to me.

My mistake on Solar though, he did beat really good players.

My point was actually that in eras where a race is massively underpowered, you don't see "breakout players" of the weakest race. So yeah, I don't consider the SSL qualifiers a proof that Zerg is massively underpowered and that it's a TvT fest like I've read. Some decent and really good players qualified, from the 3 races, it happens that they are a bit fewer of Zergs, so maybe Zerg is a bit unfavored right, but that's about it. It's absolutely not at the level of imbalance of a 1-1-1 vs Protoss era or a "BL-infestor" vs everything era.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 12 2014 10:09 GMT
#464
On December 11 2014 06:17 EngrishTeacher wrote:
I'm doing a psych paper right now, and this thread is a fucking cognitive biases gold mine from all races.

For the sake of productive discussion, please stop it with the hyperboles.

Don't think you need any education to understand that there is a lot of confirmation bias going on here. Everyone agrees on that, that the people that don't agree with them are biased, and a fair few acknowledge that they are biased themselves.

Question is, which are the hyperboles, and which aren't? Try figuring that out in an unbiased way!
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
December 16 2014 04:44 GMT
#465
The balance test map and a balance testing extension mod is out. Go play and give feedback guys!

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/17150332/call-to-action-december-15-balance-testing-12-15-2014
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 16 2014 05:03 GMT
#466
I'm confused. There are no more changes, currently? It's not really much of a nerf either...
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
December 16 2014 05:34 GMT
#467
On December 16 2014 14:03 The_Templar wrote:
I'm confused. There are no more changes, currently? It's not really much of a nerf either...


It changes quite a bit since a single widow mine will no longer kill Sentries and Hts with splash and you need 1 more hit to kill zealots with splash too. I like that they stick with this small change and will instead adjust the maps for even better balance.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
December 16 2014 21:54 GMT
#468
Does WM still 1-shot Oracles? B/c that will be pretty crazy if it takes 2-shots now...Thanks in advance.
How much better to get wisdom than gold; to get insight rather than silver!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 16 2014 21:56 GMT
#469
The main target damage is the same, just the splash damage is different.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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Exitor45
Profile Joined August 2012
United States72 Posts
December 29 2014 20:37 GMT
#470
It is fine as it is.
Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react.
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