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On November 22 2014 13:35 ranjutan wrote:
Hmm, yeah, feminism is good in theory, but sometimes its bad, like if it pisses off a man cause he's not better than women anymore. Fucking agreed bro... bitches right? Heh heh
Yeah exactly, you might be like ugh don't want to hear this, because man was seen superior for a long time, and now you're like, getting your rights equalized (so it's like your are losing yours). Others will get mad because they might feel what is proposed is unfair, because guy pays for stuff more frequently, etc.
I'm just saying, I understand where frustration can come from, and honestly, with certain things in the world, they may be fair in theory, but impulsively they might piss me off a bit. It's then when you go reflect back and think critically to determine whether you have a just reason to get mad. Acting on impulsive on these sensitive issues is not a good idea.
edit: Anyway, I think that a consequence is good. You don't hear people in the real world talking to strangers like this, in my eyes, in the current day and age, bringing more civility into the internet is never a bad thing. Words are words, and everyone can say them, but out of respect of other people, we try to not use some, as if there's a way we can get something across without insulting another group, why not do that instead?
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On November 22 2014 13:37 Gen.Rolly wrote:
Seriously who cares. Thought police abound in this day and age. How many of us watch movies with thoughts and images far worse.
Except that it was a real person talking about a real person in real life.
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On November 22 2014 13:27 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:22 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. Edit: Unless they have zero context. Of course it's not an actual rape threat. The point is that rape is a serious issue and not something that should be made light of in such a way. Just like you wouldn't say "I'm going to whip this black guy." And now we have come full circle. If rape is too serious of an issue to joke with, then isn't war too serious to make frivolous games about? Pretty sure the average gamer doesn't have to worry every day about suddenly being in a war, unless they actively chose to join the army or whatever.
You have never heard of compulsory military service? South Korea has it, oh, and also Norway.
7.000 soldiers have died serving the US since 2000. Plus another 50.000 injured. Those people had families - spouses, parents, sometimes children. But it's less people than are raped, so it's okay to make light of war anyway, unless another large scale war comes around, then we'll have to stop playing war games, that's how it works, right?
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On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence?
I can't remember the name of this logical fallacy. Anyone?
But the problem isn't about being insensitive, it's about intimidation. So let's try that statement again.
Isn't [naming your tournament after shooting pretend-people] terribly insensitivean act of intimidation to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence?
Doesn't seem the same to me.
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Keep in mind, that on teamliquid if you posted you were going to go rape/kill someone (when you are attaching rape with the actual act and a person, unlike saying "I raped you at this game", which imo is a bad habit of word choice), you would be banned, or at least warned.
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Well done Fragbite. I hope blizzard reads this. That's how you deal with bm.
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On November 22 2014 13:40 Darkwhite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:27 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 13:22 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. Edit: Unless they have zero context. Of course it's not an actual rape threat. The point is that rape is a serious issue and not something that should be made light of in such a way. Just like you wouldn't say "I'm going to whip this black guy." And now we have come full circle. If rape is too serious of an issue to joke with, then isn't war too serious to make frivolous games about? Pretty sure the average gamer doesn't have to worry every day about suddenly being in a war, unless they actively chose to join the army or whatever. You have never heard of compulsory military service? South Korea has it, oh, and also Norway. 7.000 soldiers have died serving the US since 2000. Plus another 50.000 injured. Those people had families - spouses, parents, sometimes children. But it's less people than are raped, so it's okay to make light of war anyway, unless another large scale war comes around, then we'll have to stop playing war games, that's how it works, right?
Your argument assumes that if games can be violent then its ok to post that tweet. That makes no sense and its a false.
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On November 22 2014 13:40 Darkwhite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:27 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 13:22 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. Edit: Unless they have zero context. Of course it's not an actual rape threat. The point is that rape is a serious issue and not something that should be made light of in such a way. Just like you wouldn't say "I'm going to whip this black guy." And now we have come full circle. If rape is too serious of an issue to joke with, then isn't war too serious to make frivolous games about? Pretty sure the average gamer doesn't have to worry every day about suddenly being in a war, unless they actively chose to join the army or whatever. You have never heard of compulsory military service? South Korea has it, oh, and also Norway. 7.000 soldiers have died serving the US since 2000. Plus another 50.000 injured. Those people had families - spouses, parents, sometimes children. But it's less people than are raped, so it's okay to make light of war anyway, unless another large scale war comes around, then we'll have to stop playing war games, that's how it works, right?
Im still mystified by the fact that you think its ok to say to a girl that you are gonna rape her because action games exist. Have you run this theory by you mother? Sister? Girlfriend?
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I like how the stupid OMG FREEDOM OF SPEECH people always come out at times like this, and conveniently forget (or more likely, never knew) that freedom of speech is a precept that also assumes consequences for one's actions. you are free to be a dumbass, and others are just as free to 1) no longer associate with you and your idiocy, and 2) critique the words you freely chose to publicly express. to internet oafs, freedom of speech means nothing but the desire to force their cretinism on everyone else without consequences or criticism. it's childish. which should not be surprising, coming from this group.
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On November 22 2014 13:36 ddayzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:29 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:25 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:16 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats. PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament. At least you prove the ignorant part. Saying something is a joke does not give you a lissence to say all the stupid shit you want. Your logic was that if its ok to shoot people in games its ok to tell a girl you are gonna rape here in real life, which is a unbelivable stupid thing to say. If you are going to completely ignore the difference between an obvious joke and a credible threat, this isn't going to get anywhere. I'm not okay with threatening people with any sort of violence. If it hurts the person its directed at whats the difference? Sexual harrasment is a part of life for most woman, that comment obviously hurt Maddelisk and yet you think its ok? Ill ask again and you can pm me the answear if you dont want to write it publicly. Are you from Oslo? You see we are both norwegian, i live in Oslo and I know a lot of the SC2 people here and Im curious if you ate one of them. If you are I want to talk.
I'm not terribly interested in discussing my personal life, but I never transitioned from SC:BW to StarCraft 2, so I'm not on of them.
Yes, I think it's okay that she got hurt. It happens, because people aren't perfect and humor sometimes goes wrong. Usually people move on. Now we have a player DQed for speechcrime.
On November 22 2014 13:44 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:40 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:27 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 13:22 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. Edit: Unless they have zero context. Of course it's not an actual rape threat. The point is that rape is a serious issue and not something that should be made light of in such a way. Just like you wouldn't say "I'm going to whip this black guy." And now we have come full circle. If rape is too serious of an issue to joke with, then isn't war too serious to make frivolous games about? Pretty sure the average gamer doesn't have to worry every day about suddenly being in a war, unless they actively chose to join the army or whatever. You have never heard of compulsory military service? South Korea has it, oh, and also Norway. 7.000 soldiers have died serving the US since 2000. Plus another 50.000 injured. Those people had families - spouses, parents, sometimes children. But it's less people than are raped, so it's okay to make light of war anyway, unless another large scale war comes around, then we'll have to stop playing war games, that's how it works, right? Your argument assumes that if games can be violent then its ok to post that tweet. That makes no sense and its a false.
My argument challenges you to point out why we can make light of any number of terrible things, such as war, assault and shooting people, but not rape. Personally I think rape jokes are just fine, and I doubt I am going to convince you to agree with me, but I'm still trying to understand why you feel so strongly about them.
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On November 22 2014 12:19 GolemMadness wrote:
Kind of ridiculous that people are bringing the double standard argument up here. For women, rape is a serious fear that they have to live with possibly on a daily basis. For men, in the vast majority of cases it isn't. Like, it's not a difficult concept to grasp why it's less acceptable to say it towards a woman. This is like going "Black people can call each other nigga but white people can't?! That's so unfair!"
How about yellow? Can we say nigga?
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On November 22 2014 13:54 Darkwhite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:36 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:29 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:25 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:16 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:
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...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats. PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament. At least you prove the ignorant part. Saying something is a joke does not give you a lissence to say all the stupid shit you want. Your logic was that if its ok to shoot people in games its ok to tell a girl you are gonna rape here in real life, which is a unbelivable stupid thing to say. If you are going to completely ignore the difference between an obvious joke and a credible threat, this isn't going to get anywhere. I'm not okay with threatening people with any sort of violence. If it hurts the person its directed at whats the difference? Sexual harrasment is a part of life for most woman, that comment obviously hurt Maddelisk and yet you think its ok? Ill ask again and you can pm me the answear if you dont want to write it publicly. Are you from Oslo? You see we are both norwegian, i live in Oslo and I know a lot of the SC2 people here and Im curious if you ate one of them. If you are I want to talk. I'm not terribly interested in discussing my personal life, but I never transitioned from SC:BW to StarCraft 2, so I'm not on of them.
Too bad, I was really looking forward to a real life discussion about your theory that the existens of action games makes it ok to make woman feel bad in real life.
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On November 22 2014 13:44 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:40 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:27 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 13:22 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. Edit: Unless they have zero context. Of course it's not an actual rape threat. The point is that rape is a serious issue and not something that should be made light of in such a way. Just like you wouldn't say "I'm going to whip this black guy." And now we have come full circle. If rape is too serious of an issue to joke with, then isn't war too serious to make frivolous games about? Pretty sure the average gamer doesn't have to worry every day about suddenly being in a war, unless they actively chose to join the army or whatever. You have never heard of compulsory military service? South Korea has it, oh, and also Norway. 7.000 soldiers have died serving the US since 2000. Plus another 50.000 injured. Those people had families - spouses, parents, sometimes children. But it's less people than are raped, so it's okay to make light of war anyway, unless another large scale war comes around, then we'll have to stop playing war games, that's how it works, right? Your argument assumes that if games can be violent then its ok to post that tweet. That makes no sense and its a false.
Do you think people would have complained if he tweeted, "going to beat the shit out of this girl #fragbitemasters" ? There is no real difference between the statements.
On November 22 2014 11:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 11:43 Iodem wrote:
Man, rape victims and people who are concerned with rape and rape culture are the most overly sensitive people on earth... Fixed that for you. Sometimes it's good to be sensitive about things.
No, I'm saying that Swedes are typically the most over the top whiners when it comes to so-called "offensive speech' and feminist crap. And what is "rape culture" ?
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Kind of pisses me off that Maddelisk could have done the ole "forgive and forget," but instead kind of went off about how terrible it all was. She had the power to snuff the flame, not sure why she didn't.
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On November 22 2014 13:58 ddayzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:54 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:36 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:29 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:25 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:16 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:
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I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats. PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament. At least you prove the ignorant part. Saying something is a joke does not give you a lissence to say all the stupid shit you want. Your logic was that if its ok to shoot people in games its ok to tell a girl you are gonna rape here in real life, which is a unbelivable stupid thing to say. If you are going to completely ignore the difference between an obvious joke and a credible threat, this isn't going to get anywhere. I'm not okay with threatening people with any sort of violence. If it hurts the person its directed at whats the difference? Sexual harrasment is a part of life for most woman, that comment obviously hurt Maddelisk and yet you think its ok? Ill ask again and you can pm me the answear if you dont want to write it publicly. Are you from Oslo? You see we are both norwegian, i live in Oslo and I know a lot of the SC2 people here and Im curious if you ate one of them. If you are I want to talk. I'm not terribly interested in discussing my personal life, but I never transitioned from SC:BW to StarCraft 2, so I'm not on of them. Too bad, I was really looking forward to a real life discussion about your theory that the existens of action games makes it ok to make woman feel bad in real life.
It's a very simple theory. Just as much as the rape joke made women feel bad, I think violent games make people who fear violence, have suffered violence or have lost friends and family to violence feel bad. I don't think clamping down on things whenever they make people feel bad is the right solution, in either case.
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On November 22 2014 13:54 Darkwhite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:36 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:29 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:25 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:16 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:
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...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats. PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament. At least you prove the ignorant part. Saying something is a joke does not give you a lissence to say all the stupid shit you want. Your logic was that if its ok to shoot people in games its ok to tell a girl you are gonna rape here in real life, which is a unbelivable stupid thing to say. If you are going to completely ignore the difference between an obvious joke and a credible threat, this isn't going to get anywhere. I'm not okay with threatening people with any sort of violence. If it hurts the person its directed at whats the difference? Sexual harrasment is a part of life for most woman, that comment obviously hurt Maddelisk and yet you think its ok? Ill ask again and you can pm me the answear if you dont want to write it publicly. Are you from Oslo? You see we are both norwegian, i live in Oslo and I know a lot of the SC2 people here and Im curious if you ate one of them. If you are I want to talk. I'm not terribly interested in discussing my personal life, but I never transitioned from SC:BW to StarCraft 2, so I'm not on of them. Yes, I think it's okay that she got hurt. It happens, because people aren't perfect and humor sometimes goes wrong. Usually people move on. Now we have a player DQed for speechcrime.
What? Its ok that prople get hurt because people are not perfect? Please do explain the logic behind that one.
People get to decide their own limits, you dont get to decide for them. Curious how much bs she had to put up with befor this being in a community with members like you.
What we have is a player admiting and taking responsibility for his actions. Speechcrime? Is that your incredibly overdramatic way of saying he said something stupid and there were consequenses for it?
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On November 22 2014 14:08 Darkwhite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:58 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:54 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:36 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:29 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:25 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:16 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote:
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No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening.
Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats. PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament. At least you prove the ignorant part. Saying something is a joke does not give you a lissence to say all the stupid shit you want. Your logic was that if its ok to shoot people in games its ok to tell a girl you are gonna rape here in real life, which is a unbelivable stupid thing to say. If you are going to completely ignore the difference between an obvious joke and a credible threat, this isn't going to get anywhere. I'm not okay with threatening people with any sort of violence. If it hurts the person its directed at whats the difference? Sexual harrasment is a part of life for most woman, that comment obviously hurt Maddelisk and yet you think its ok? Ill ask again and you can pm me the answear if you dont want to write it publicly. Are you from Oslo? You see we are both norwegian, i live in Oslo and I know a lot of the SC2 people here and Im curious if you ate one of them. If you are I want to talk. I'm not terribly interested in discussing my personal life, but I never transitioned from SC:BW to StarCraft 2, so I'm not on of them. Too bad, I was really looking forward to a real life discussion about your theory that the existens of action games makes it ok to make woman feel bad in real life. It's a very simple theory. Just as much as the rape joke made women feel bad, I think violent games make people who fear violence, have suffered violence or have lost friends and family to violence feel bad. I don't think clamping down on things whenever they make people feel bad is the right solution, in either case.
You dont realize how stupid this sounds at all? "Action games exist so I can tell woman I will rape them". You dont see that the only way your scenario makes sense is if Maddelisk watched a movie where a woman got raped and got offended by it?
Nobody is arguing that you cant make stuff that brings forth different emotions than happiness. Whats being said is that you dont tell woman you will rape them on twitter.
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On November 22 2014 14:08 ddayzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:54 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:36 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:29 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:25 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:16 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:
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I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats. PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament. At least you prove the ignorant part. Saying something is a joke does not give you a lissence to say all the stupid shit you want. Your logic was that if its ok to shoot people in games its ok to tell a girl you are gonna rape here in real life, which is a unbelivable stupid thing to say. If you are going to completely ignore the difference between an obvious joke and a credible threat, this isn't going to get anywhere. I'm not okay with threatening people with any sort of violence. If it hurts the person its directed at whats the difference? Sexual harrasment is a part of life for most woman, that comment obviously hurt Maddelisk and yet you think its ok? Ill ask again and you can pm me the answear if you dont want to write it publicly. Are you from Oslo? You see we are both norwegian, i live in Oslo and I know a lot of the SC2 people here and Im curious if you ate one of them. If you are I want to talk. I'm not terribly interested in discussing my personal life, but I never transitioned from SC:BW to StarCraft 2, so I'm not on of them. Yes, I think it's okay that she got hurt. It happens, because people aren't perfect and humor sometimes goes wrong. Usually people move on. Now we have a player DQed for speechcrime. What? Its ok that prople get hurt because people are not perfect? Please do explain the logic behind that one. People get to decide their own limits, you dont get to decide for them. Curious how much bs she had to put up with befor this being in a community with members like you. What we have is a player admiting and taking responsibility for his actions. Speechcrime? Is that your incredibly overdramatic way of saying he said something stupid and there were consequenses for it?
If I bitched and moaned every time someone called me a nigger on the internet or in real life or yelled "jesus christ" as an expletive, I wouldn't ever get anything done.
Stop letting words have power over you, and tell others to do the same. He shouldn't have needed to apologize because she didn't like his words. She should learn to get over words that she may find harsh, like everyone else on this planet has to. I think it's a terrible thing to have words or phrases people(or in some cases, only some people) can't say.
On November 22 2014 14:14 ddayzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:08 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:58 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:54 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:36 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:29 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:25 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:16 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:
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You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats. PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament. At least you prove the ignorant part. Saying something is a joke does not give you a lissence to say all the stupid shit you want. Your logic was that if its ok to shoot people in games its ok to tell a girl you are gonna rape here in real life, which is a unbelivable stupid thing to say. If you are going to completely ignore the difference between an obvious joke and a credible threat, this isn't going to get anywhere. I'm not okay with threatening people with any sort of violence. If it hurts the person its directed at whats the difference? Sexual harrasment is a part of life for most woman, that comment obviously hurt Maddelisk and yet you think its ok? Ill ask again and you can pm me the answear if you dont want to write it publicly. Are you from Oslo? You see we are both norwegian, i live in Oslo and I know a lot of the SC2 people here and Im curious if you ate one of them. If you are I want to talk. I'm not terribly interested in discussing my personal life, but I never transitioned from SC:BW to StarCraft 2, so I'm not on of them. Too bad, I was really looking forward to a real life discussion about your theory that the existens of action games makes it ok to make woman feel bad in real life. It's a very simple theory. Just as much as the rape joke made women feel bad, I think violent games make people who fear violence, have suffered violence or have lost friends and family to violence feel bad. I don't think clamping down on things whenever they make people feel bad is the right solution, in either case. "Action games exist so I can tell woman I will rape them". .
That's not what he's saying at all. He's basically saying "I can tell someone I'm going to kill or beat them as an expression, therefore, telling someone I'm going to rape them as an expression isn't any worse."
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On November 22 2014 14:14 ddayzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:08 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:58 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:54 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:36 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:29 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:25 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:16 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:
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You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats. PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament. At least you prove the ignorant part. Saying something is a joke does not give you a lissence to say all the stupid shit you want. Your logic was that if its ok to shoot people in games its ok to tell a girl you are gonna rape here in real life, which is a unbelivable stupid thing to say. If you are going to completely ignore the difference between an obvious joke and a credible threat, this isn't going to get anywhere. I'm not okay with threatening people with any sort of violence. If it hurts the person its directed at whats the difference? Sexual harrasment is a part of life for most woman, that comment obviously hurt Maddelisk and yet you think its ok? Ill ask again and you can pm me the answear if you dont want to write it publicly. Are you from Oslo? You see we are both norwegian, i live in Oslo and I know a lot of the SC2 people here and Im curious if you ate one of them. If you are I want to talk. I'm not terribly interested in discussing my personal life, but I never transitioned from SC:BW to StarCraft 2, so I'm not on of them. Too bad, I was really looking forward to a real life discussion about your theory that the existens of action games makes it ok to make woman feel bad in real life. It's a very simple theory. Just as much as the rape joke made women feel bad, I think violent games make people who fear violence, have suffered violence or have lost friends and family to violence feel bad. I don't think clamping down on things whenever they make people feel bad is the right solution, in either case. You dont realize how stupid this sounds at all? "Action games exist so I can tell woman I will rape them". You dont see that the only way your scenario makes sense is if Maddelisk watched a movie where a woman got raped and got offended by it? Nobody is arguing that you cant make stuff that brings forth different emotions than happiness. Whats being said is that you dont tell woman you will rape them on twitter.
I will just give up talking to you, as long as you insist on confusing sincere threats with obvious jokes. I'm sorry.
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On November 22 2014 06:54 ptbl wrote:
Nightend made the situation worse by blaming maddelisk for what Kas said
kas made a mistake, whether cultural and linguistic, whatever. he apologised, person accepted. the end.
NightEnD, on the other hand, just came off as an utter douchebag.
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