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On November 22 2014 14:37 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:31 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 14:26 Ansinjunger wrote:
The dq is harsh, but it sends a strong message that rape is not a joke. I admittedly laughed when the caster at HSC said "MMA raped MoMan," but joking about raping women is completely off limits. It's not really a double standard. Men and women are different. You can give a guy a friendly punch in the chest. That's pretty much the definition of a double standard. Double standards aren't necessarily bad - animals and people have different rights, there are different rules for adults and children. Double standards are, however, the opposite of equality. if you don't HAVE equality then you can't ACHIEVE equality by treating people equally. pretty simple and basic logic. rape is not a problem that affects men the way it affects women. sexual intimidation does not affect men the way it affects women. men do not know what it's like (except through empathy and understanding) to be a woman and literally live in constant fear of sexual intimidation, harassment, abuse, rape, etc. it's not a matter of "boo hoo, you used a word i don't like;" it's a matter of the fact that women are faced with legitimate threats of rape in their everyday lives and by turning that into a joke you are sending a message to rapists, abusers and harassers that you think what they do is a joke and you won't do anything to change the culture of acceptance that enables them if you don't think attitudes about language are this important and directly tied to the real issues of rape and abuse in the real world then you're just myopic and uninformed
I laughed out loud at this part of your post. Do you know women in real life who've told you they live in constant fear of being raped or assaulted? Where on earth is this?
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On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote:
Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me. your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
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On November 22 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:37 brickrd wrote:On November 22 2014 14:31 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 14:26 Ansinjunger wrote:
The dq is harsh, but it sends a strong message that rape is not a joke. I admittedly laughed when the caster at HSC said "MMA raped MoMan," but joking about raping women is completely off limits. It's not really a double standard. Men and women are different. You can give a guy a friendly punch in the chest. That's pretty much the definition of a double standard. Double standards aren't necessarily bad - animals and people have different rights, there are different rules for adults and children. Double standards are, however, the opposite of equality. if you don't HAVE equality then you can't ACHIEVE equality by treating people equally. pretty simple and basic logic. rape is not a problem that affects men the way it affects women. sexual intimidation does not affect men the way it affects women. men do not know what it's like (except through empathy and understanding) to be a woman and literally live in constant fear of sexual intimidation, harassment, abuse, rape, etc. it's not a matter of "boo hoo, you used a word i don't like;" it's a matter of the fact that women are faced with legitimate threats of rape in their everyday lives and by turning that into a joke you are sending a message to rapists, abusers and harassers that you think what they do is a joke and you won't do anything to change the culture of acceptance that enables them if you don't think attitudes about language are this important and directly tied to the real issues of rape and abuse in the real world then you're just myopic and uninformed I laughed out loud at this part of your post. Do you know women in real life who've told you they live in constant fear of being raped or assaulted? Where on earth is this?
In any bigger town on Earth. Go tell me about those girls that are comfortable walking all alone at night.
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On November 22 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:37 brickrd wrote:On November 22 2014 14:31 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 14:26 Ansinjunger wrote:
The dq is harsh, but it sends a strong message that rape is not a joke. I admittedly laughed when the caster at HSC said "MMA raped MoMan," but joking about raping women is completely off limits. It's not really a double standard. Men and women are different. You can give a guy a friendly punch in the chest. That's pretty much the definition of a double standard. Double standards aren't necessarily bad - animals and people have different rights, there are different rules for adults and children. Double standards are, however, the opposite of equality. if you don't HAVE equality then you can't ACHIEVE equality by treating people equally. pretty simple and basic logic. rape is not a problem that affects men the way it affects women. sexual intimidation does not affect men the way it affects women. men do not know what it's like (except through empathy and understanding) to be a woman and literally live in constant fear of sexual intimidation, harassment, abuse, rape, etc. it's not a matter of "boo hoo, you used a word i don't like;" it's a matter of the fact that women are faced with legitimate threats of rape in their everyday lives and by turning that into a joke you are sending a message to rapists, abusers and harassers that you think what they do is a joke and you won't do anything to change the culture of acceptance that enables them if you don't think attitudes about language are this important and directly tied to the real issues of rape and abuse in the real world then you're just myopic and uninformed I laughed out loud at this part of your post. Do you know women in real life who've told you they live in constant fear of being raped or assaulted? Where on earth is this?
your post makes me very sad because i believe that you genuinely feel this way. please, i'm begging you, look up some real statistics on sexual assault and the reporting/prosecution of sexual assault. yes, women live in this fear every day. it's almost certain that you know a woman who has been assaulted whether you're aware of it or not. i don't even want to argue with you because you're just completely in the dark about the reality of the situation. please educate yourself for the sake of any woman you will ever know or care about.
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On November 22 2014 14:38 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:54 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:36 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:29 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:25 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:16 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:
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I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats. PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament. At least you prove the ignorant part. Saying something is a joke does not give you a lissence to say all the stupid shit you want. Your logic was that if its ok to shoot people in games its ok to tell a girl you are gonna rape here in real life, which is a unbelivable stupid thing to say. If you are going to completely ignore the difference between an obvious joke and a credible threat, this isn't going to get anywhere. I'm not okay with threatening people with any sort of violence. If it hurts the person its directed at whats the difference? Sexual harrasment is a part of life for most woman, that comment obviously hurt Maddelisk and yet you think its ok? Ill ask again and you can pm me the answear if you dont want to write it publicly. Are you from Oslo? You see we are both norwegian, i live in Oslo and I know a lot of the SC2 people here and Im curious if you ate one of them. If you are I want to talk. I'm not terribly interested in discussing my personal life, but I never transitioned from SC:BW to StarCraft 2, so I'm not on of them. Yes, I think it's okay that she got hurt. It happens, because people aren't perfect and humor sometimes goes wrong. Usually people move on. Now we have a player DQed for speechcrime. On November 22 2014 13:44 Superbanana wrote:On November 22 2014 13:40 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:27 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 13:22 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. Edit: Unless they have zero context. Of course it's not an actual rape threat. The point is that rape is a serious issue and not something that should be made light of in such a way. Just like you wouldn't say "I'm going to whip this black guy." And now we have come full circle. If rape is too serious of an issue to joke with, then isn't war too serious to make frivolous games about? Pretty sure the average gamer doesn't have to worry every day about suddenly being in a war, unless they actively chose to join the army or whatever. You have never heard of compulsory military service? South Korea has it, oh, and also Norway. 7.000 soldiers have died serving the US since 2000. Plus another 50.000 injured. Those people had families - spouses, parents, sometimes children. But it's less people than are raped, so it's okay to make light of war anyway, unless another large scale war comes around, then we'll have to stop playing war games, that's how it works, right? Your argument assumes that if games can be violent then its ok to post that tweet. That makes no sense and its a false. My argument challenges you to point out why we can make light of any number of terrible things, such as war, assault and shooting people, but not rape. Personally I think rape jokes are just fine, and I doubt I am going to convince you to agree with me, but I'm still trying to understand why you feel so strongly about them. Im not personally offended by rape jokes, since i was never raped and im not a part of a group that has all right to be sensitive about the matter, since rape is a real problem. And i don't make light of things like war, assault or shooting people, but i accept fiction as a way to discuss those matters or simply to entertain. Kas was indeed making a joke, but he must be punished for the sake of consistency, since ill intentioned actions/comments can be made in the future. edit: @Iodem, in other words personal attacks directed towards a group or individual are not acceptable, since its bad sportsmanship. Again, with context we can assume Kas was making a joke. But other people can write the exactly same thing with intention to harass or even actually harm someone. If tweets like the one Kas made are ignored, later we cannot have double standards. When it comes to tournaments rules and standards we cannot just rely on interpretation, some consistency is required.
You want people punished, not for their own actions and their direct consequences, but to make an example of them? He doesn't deserve to be punished, but it's okay, because consistency? If you want the hyperbolic version, that's a mockery of justice.
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On November 22 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:37 brickrd wrote:On November 22 2014 14:31 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 14:26 Ansinjunger wrote:
The dq is harsh, but it sends a strong message that rape is not a joke. I admittedly laughed when the caster at HSC said "MMA raped MoMan," but joking about raping women is completely off limits. It's not really a double standard. Men and women are different. You can give a guy a friendly punch in the chest. That's pretty much the definition of a double standard. Double standards aren't necessarily bad - animals and people have different rights, there are different rules for adults and children. Double standards are, however, the opposite of equality. if you don't HAVE equality then you can't ACHIEVE equality by treating people equally. pretty simple and basic logic. rape is not a problem that affects men the way it affects women. sexual intimidation does not affect men the way it affects women. men do not know what it's like (except through empathy and understanding) to be a woman and literally live in constant fear of sexual intimidation, harassment, abuse, rape, etc. it's not a matter of "boo hoo, you used a word i don't like;" it's a matter of the fact that women are faced with legitimate threats of rape in their everyday lives and by turning that into a joke you are sending a message to rapists, abusers and harassers that you think what they do is a joke and you won't do anything to change the culture of acceptance that enables them if you don't think attitudes about language are this important and directly tied to the real issues of rape and abuse in the real world then you're just myopic and uninformed I laughed out loud at this part of your post. Do you know women in real life who've told you they live in constant fear of being raped or assaulted? Where on earth is this?
Everywhere on Earth? Do you live in a bubble? Nearly every woman I know has encountered some level of sexism, ranging from objectification and cat calls to actual rape, and regardless of where they fall on the spectrum, none of them feel particularly safe walking around alone at night (even in the suburbs, and even with mace).
EDIT: It's not a matter of you living in a bubble; it's a matter of you being male and apparently not talking to women. My mistake.
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On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote:
Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
The ignorance of some people...
If the person he said it to was living with a constant credible threat of being killed I assume he would have been yes.
Woman live with the fear of rape. Most of the girls I know have had at least one uncomfortable, to use a mild word, sexual situation where a guy wouldent take no for a answear.
That would make you sensitive to someone saying they will rape you, even if you know hes not being serious, and rightly so.
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On November 22 2014 14:44 Iodem wrote:
And I think it's ridiculous that you actually believe that there is a culture of acceptance towards rape.
????????? you live in the united states? have you ever followed any high profile case of sexual assault by a celebrity, especially professional or college sports players? have you ever read the comments of any news story about a woman being raped while drunk, at a party, etc.? how can you type the words you just typed and believe them?
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On November 22 2014 14:49 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote:
Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me. your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin "kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
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Jeez. This thread is awful. So much for "healthy discussion".
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On November 22 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:37 brickrd wrote:On November 22 2014 14:31 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 14:26 Ansinjunger wrote:
The dq is harsh, but it sends a strong message that rape is not a joke. I admittedly laughed when the caster at HSC said "MMA raped MoMan," but joking about raping women is completely off limits. It's not really a double standard. Men and women are different. You can give a guy a friendly punch in the chest. That's pretty much the definition of a double standard. Double standards aren't necessarily bad - animals and people have different rights, there are different rules for adults and children. Double standards are, however, the opposite of equality. if you don't HAVE equality then you can't ACHIEVE equality by treating people equally. pretty simple and basic logic. rape is not a problem that affects men the way it affects women. sexual intimidation does not affect men the way it affects women. men do not know what it's like (except through empathy and understanding) to be a woman and literally live in constant fear of sexual intimidation, harassment, abuse, rape, etc. it's not a matter of "boo hoo, you used a word i don't like;" it's a matter of the fact that women are faced with legitimate threats of rape in their everyday lives and by turning that into a joke you are sending a message to rapists, abusers and harassers that you think what they do is a joke and you won't do anything to change the culture of acceptance that enables them if you don't think attitudes about language are this important and directly tied to the real issues of rape and abuse in the real world then you're just myopic and uninformed I laughed out loud at this part of your post. Do you know women in real life who've told you they live in constant fear of being raped or assaulted? Where on earth is this?
Norway would be one place. Constant no, but going out to clubs, walking home alone after dark yes. 1 in 3 woman gets sexually harrassed so most places on earth actually.
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On November 22 2014 14:53 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:44 Iodem wrote:
And I think it's ridiculous that you actually believe that there is a culture of acceptance towards rape. ????????? you live in the united states? have you ever followed any high profile case of sexual assault by a celebrity, especially professional or college sports players? have you ever read the comments of any news story about a woman being raped while drunk, at a party, etc.? how can you type the words you just typed and believe them?
Man, my head hurts from reading what Iodem has been writing. It's a blissful ignorance, to not recognize the existence of rape culture. I don't understand how a fellow American isn't aware of such a huge national problem.
Two words: "Legitimate rape".
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On November 22 2014 14:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 22 2014 14:37 brickrd wrote:On November 22 2014 14:31 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 14:26 Ansinjunger wrote:
The dq is harsh, but it sends a strong message that rape is not a joke. I admittedly laughed when the caster at HSC said "MMA raped MoMan," but joking about raping women is completely off limits. It's not really a double standard. Men and women are different. You can give a guy a friendly punch in the chest. That's pretty much the definition of a double standard. Double standards aren't necessarily bad - animals and people have different rights, there are different rules for adults and children. Double standards are, however, the opposite of equality. if you don't HAVE equality then you can't ACHIEVE equality by treating people equally. pretty simple and basic logic. rape is not a problem that affects men the way it affects women. sexual intimidation does not affect men the way it affects women. men do not know what it's like (except through empathy and understanding) to be a woman and literally live in constant fear of sexual intimidation, harassment, abuse, rape, etc. it's not a matter of "boo hoo, you used a word i don't like;" it's a matter of the fact that women are faced with legitimate threats of rape in their everyday lives and by turning that into a joke you are sending a message to rapists, abusers and harassers that you think what they do is a joke and you won't do anything to change the culture of acceptance that enables them if you don't think attitudes about language are this important and directly tied to the real issues of rape and abuse in the real world then you're just myopic and uninformed I laughed out loud at this part of your post. Do you know women in real life who've told you they live in constant fear of being raped or assaulted? Where on earth is this? Everywhere on Earth? Do you live in a bubble? Nearly every woman I know has encountered some level of sexism, ranging from objectification and cat calls to actual rape, and regardless of where they fall on the spectrum, none of them feel particularly safe walking around alone at night (even in the suburbs, and even with mace). EDIT: It's not a matter of you living in a bubble; it's a matter of you being male and apparently not talking to women. My mistake.
my wife was sexually harassed and intimidated at her job for months on a shift where she was forced to work alone with the man who was harassing her. she signed a document from her workplace indicating that if the harasser was ever accused again he would be immediately fired. instead, my wife was transferred to another location and the man who harassed her went on to harass 5+ other women at the same workplace, then quit his job without being fired. this is canada, not pakistan.
i don't even want to be angry at the people who don't understand how serious the problem is, i'm not interested in talking down to anyone or telling them i'm morally better than them. i just want them to open their eyes for the sake of the women we all know and care about.
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On November 22 2014 14:53 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:44 Iodem wrote:
And I think it's ridiculous that you actually believe that there is a culture of acceptance towards rape. ????????? you live in the united states? have you ever followed any high profile case of sexual assault by a celebrity, especially professional or college sports players? have you ever read the comments of any news story about a woman being raped while drunk, at a party, etc.? how can you type the words you just typed and believe them?
Terrible rich people can get out of a lot of trouble by the sheer power of their money. There are celebrities who have gotten away with killing people (like Matthew Broderick) as well. I don't read comments on news stories because they're seldom intelligent. People make stupid decisions and reap what they sow.
You're going to have to further explain how people are 'accepting' of rape.
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On November 22 2014 14:57 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 22 2014 14:37 brickrd wrote:On November 22 2014 14:31 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 14:26 Ansinjunger wrote:
The dq is harsh, but it sends a strong message that rape is not a joke. I admittedly laughed when the caster at HSC said "MMA raped MoMan," but joking about raping women is completely off limits. It's not really a double standard. Men and women are different. You can give a guy a friendly punch in the chest. That's pretty much the definition of a double standard. Double standards aren't necessarily bad - animals and people have different rights, there are different rules for adults and children. Double standards are, however, the opposite of equality. if you don't HAVE equality then you can't ACHIEVE equality by treating people equally. pretty simple and basic logic. rape is not a problem that affects men the way it affects women. sexual intimidation does not affect men the way it affects women. men do not know what it's like (except through empathy and understanding) to be a woman and literally live in constant fear of sexual intimidation, harassment, abuse, rape, etc. it's not a matter of "boo hoo, you used a word i don't like;" it's a matter of the fact that women are faced with legitimate threats of rape in their everyday lives and by turning that into a joke you are sending a message to rapists, abusers and harassers that you think what they do is a joke and you won't do anything to change the culture of acceptance that enables them if you don't think attitudes about language are this important and directly tied to the real issues of rape and abuse in the real world then you're just myopic and uninformed I laughed out loud at this part of your post. Do you know women in real life who've told you they live in constant fear of being raped or assaulted? Where on earth is this? Everywhere on Earth? Do you live in a bubble? Nearly every woman I know has encountered some level of sexism, ranging from objectification and cat calls to actual rape, and regardless of where they fall on the spectrum, none of them feel particularly safe walking around alone at night (even in the suburbs, and even with mace). EDIT: It's not a matter of you living in a bubble; it's a matter of you being male and apparently not talking to women. My mistake. my wife was sexually harassed and intimidated at her job for months on a shift where she was forced to work alone with the man who was harassing her. she signed a document from her workplace indicating that if the harasser was ever accused again he would be immediately fired. instead, my wife was transferred to another location and the man who harassed her went on to harass 5+ other women at the same workplace, then quit his job without being fired. this is canada, not pakistan. i don't even want to be angry at the people who don't understand how serious the problem is, i'm not interested in talking down to anyone or telling them i'm morally better than them. i just want them to open their eyes for the sake of the women we all know and care about.
Well said. I'm sorry to hear about your wife.
This thread has deteriorated I think.
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On November 22 2014 14:51 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 22 2014 14:37 brickrd wrote:On November 22 2014 14:31 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 14:26 Ansinjunger wrote:
The dq is harsh, but it sends a strong message that rape is not a joke. I admittedly laughed when the caster at HSC said "MMA raped MoMan," but joking about raping women is completely off limits. It's not really a double standard. Men and women are different. You can give a guy a friendly punch in the chest. That's pretty much the definition of a double standard. Double standards aren't necessarily bad - animals and people have different rights, there are different rules for adults and children. Double standards are, however, the opposite of equality. if you don't HAVE equality then you can't ACHIEVE equality by treating people equally. pretty simple and basic logic. rape is not a problem that affects men the way it affects women. sexual intimidation does not affect men the way it affects women. men do not know what it's like (except through empathy and understanding) to be a woman and literally live in constant fear of sexual intimidation, harassment, abuse, rape, etc. it's not a matter of "boo hoo, you used a word i don't like;" it's a matter of the fact that women are faced with legitimate threats of rape in their everyday lives and by turning that into a joke you are sending a message to rapists, abusers and harassers that you think what they do is a joke and you won't do anything to change the culture of acceptance that enables them if you don't think attitudes about language are this important and directly tied to the real issues of rape and abuse in the real world then you're just myopic and uninformed I laughed out loud at this part of your post. Do you know women in real life who've told you they live in constant fear of being raped or assaulted? Where on earth is this? your post makes me very sad because i believe that you genuinely feel this way. please, i'm begging you, look up some real statistics on sexual assault and the reporting/prosecution of sexual assault. yes, women live in this fear every day. it's almost certain that you know a woman who has been assaulted whether you're aware of it or not. i don't even want to argue with you because you're just completely in the dark about the reality of the situation. please educate yourself for the sake of any woman you will ever know or care about.
I do know women who have been assaulted. I know women who are afraid to go out at night.
I also know women who are not afraid of going outside alone at night. Your post implies that every single woman lives in fear. I do not agree based on personal experience
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I think Kas did nothing wrong. This girl that he was referring to was Maddelisk, and she knows its a joke.
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On November 22 2014 14:59 Iodem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:53 brickrd wrote:On November 22 2014 14:44 Iodem wrote:
And I think it's ridiculous that you actually believe that there is a culture of acceptance towards rape. ????????? you live in the united states? have you ever followed any high profile case of sexual assault by a celebrity, especially professional or college sports players? have you ever read the comments of any news story about a woman being raped while drunk, at a party, etc.? how can you type the words you just typed and believe them? Terrible rich people can get out of a lot of trouble by the sheer power of their money. There are celebrities who have gotten away with killing people (like Matthew Broderick) as well. I don't read comments on news stories because they're seldom intelligent. People make stupid decisions and reap what they sow. You're going to have to further explain how people are 'accepting' of rape.
We've already explained it several times, and I've already linked to you the Wiki entry on rape culture in a previous post.
Just... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rape culture
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On November 22 2014 14:59 swag_bro wrote:
I think Kas did nothing wrong. This girl that he was referring to was Maddelisk, and she knows its a joke.
I think you need to read her initial response. You're wrong.
It was later cleared up and they're good now, but it was a big deal.
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On November 22 2014 14:54 Pangpootata wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 14:49 brickrd wrote:On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote:
Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me. your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin "kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know. Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped. Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
6000-8000 woman gets raped each year in Norway, that only counts vaginal prnetrating and is consideted a very conservative estimate. My apologies, 8000 and 16000 was the numbers. That would be 160 000 rapes in ten years with a population of 6000 000.
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