On November 22 2014 11:43 Iodem wrote: Man, rape victims and people who are concerned with rape and rape culture are the most overly sensitive people on earth...
Fixed that for you.
Sometimes it's good to be sensitive about things.
No, I'm saying that Swedes are typically the most over the top whiners when it comes to so-called "offensive speech' and feminist crap. And what is "rape culture" ?
Rape culture:
"Rape culture is a concept that examines a culture in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality.[1][2]
Examples of behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, or refusing to acknowledge the harm of certain forms of sexual violence that do not conform to certain stereotypes of stranger or violent rape. Rape culture has been used to model behavior within social groups, including prison rape and conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare. Entire countries have also been alleged to be rape cultures.[3][4][5][6][7]
Although the concept of rape culture is used in feminist academia,[8] there is disagreement over what defines a rape culture and to what degree a given society meets the criteria to be considered a rape culture.[3]
Rape culture has been observed to correlate with other social factors and behaviors. Research identifies correlation between rape myths, victim blaming and trivialization of rape with increased incidence of racism, homophobia, ageism, classism, religious intolerance, and other forms of discrimination.[9][10]"
Also, you're in the United States like I am, so you should be well aware of what constitutes offensive speech, as well the fact that not everything feminism/ fairness related is "crap".
"Victim blaming" for telling people to take the same precautions that you would to not get mugged? It's everyone's responsibility to not commit crime, but it's also your responsibility to take precautions and avoid it. "Sexual objectification" when there are women who will throw themselves at men for sex, as well as dress as provocatively as they can to get attention? Trivializing rape? How do you do that? Denial of widespread rape? False accusations of rape exist- not every alleged rape occurs.
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
6000-8000 woman gets raped each year in Norway, that only counts vaginal prnetrating and is consideted a very conservative estimate.
>40000 people in Norway get killed per year (by any factor). Dying is more common than getting raped
Anyway, the basic argument you are putting forth is that although killing is more serious than rape, more people live in fear of getting rape, i.e. it's the fear of it actually happening rather than the severity of the crime.
Extending this logic wouldn't it mean threatening to punch someone is worse than threatening to rape someone because more people live in fear of getting hit than getting raped?
I do agree that people should try not to rape each other, but this whole business about rape receiving special attention is silly.
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
6000-8000 woman gets raped each year in Norway, that only counts vaginal prnetrating and is consideted a very conservative estimate.
>40000 people in Norway get killed per year (by any factor). Dying is more common than getting raped
Anyway, the basic argument you are putting forth is that although killing is more serious than rape, more people live in fear of getting rape, i.e. it's the fear of it actually happening rather than the severity of the crime.
Extending this logic wouldn't it mean threatening to punch someone is worse than threatening to rape someone because more people live in fear of getting hit than getting raped?
I do agree that people should try not to rape each other, but this whole business about rape receiving special attention is silly.
Im sorry, your argument is that more people die then woman get raped so its ok to tell woman you will rape them?
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
6000-8000 woman gets raped each year in Norway, that only counts vaginal prnetrating and is consideted a very conservative estimate.
>40000 people in Norway get killed per year (by any factor). Dying is more common than getting raped
Anyway, the basic argument you are putting forth is that although killing is more serious than rape, more people live in fear of getting rape, i.e. it's the fear of it actually happening rather than the severity of the crime.
Extending this logic wouldn't it mean threatening to punch someone is worse than threatening to rape someone because more people live in fear of getting hit than getting raped?
I do agree that people should try not to rape each other, but this whole business about rape receiving special attention is silly.
Im sorry, your argument is that more people die then woman get raped so its ok to tell woman you will rape them?
No. I'm saying that telling people you will kill them is more serious then telling people you will rape them. So if people don't get banned for telling people you will kill them, they shouldn't be banned for saying the same thing about rape.
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
6000-8000 woman gets raped each year in Norway, that only counts vaginal prnetrating and is consideted a very conservative estimate.
>40000 people in Norway get killed per year (by any factor). Dying is more common than getting raped
Anyway, the basic argument you are putting forth is that although killing is more serious than rape, more people live in fear of getting rape, i.e. it's the fear of it actually happening rather than the severity of the crime.
Extending this logic wouldn't it mean threatening to punch someone is worse than threatening to rape someone because more people live in fear of getting hit than getting raped?
I do agree that people should try not to rape each other, but this whole business about rape receiving special attention is silly.
Im sorry, your argument is that more people die then woman get raped so its ok to tell woman you will rape them?
People are allowed to tell others they will kill them in the same context so I'd agree
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
Yeah, who cares about the third world or pseudo first world countries right? If someone is offended there nobody cares o_O #sarcasm
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
Yeah, who cares about the third world or pseudo first world countries right? If someone is offended there nobody cares o_O #sarcasm
I don't care if people are offended in any country.
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
Yeah, who cares about the third world or pseudo first world countries right? If someone is offended there nobody cares o_O #sarcasm
Better not ever make a joke about starvation, disease, lack of healthcare, or violence as well then.
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
Yeah, who cares about the third world or pseudo first world countries right? If someone is offended there nobody cares o_O #sarcasm
Yeah, we also can't make jokes about water or medicine, because people in third world countries will get offended because they die from the lack of that all the time.
If you extend this line of thinking, you can't actually joke about anything because somebody somewhere is bound to get offended.
People just get offended way too easily now a day.
I wonder if I said "I'm about to go smoke a fag at dreamhack" if they would DQ me. Because we all know fag = cigarette, right? Or is a queer? Who knows!
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
6000-8000 woman gets raped each year in Norway, that only counts vaginal prnetrating and is consideted a very conservative estimate.
>40000 people in Norway get killed per year (by any factor). Dying is more common than getting raped
Anyway, the basic argument you are putting forth is that although killing is more serious than rape, more people live in fear of getting rape, i.e. it's the fear of it actually happening rather than the severity of the crime.
Extending this logic wouldn't it mean threatening to punch someone is worse than threatening to rape someone because more people live in fear of getting hit than getting raped?
I do agree that people should try not to rape each other, but this whole business about rape receiving special attention is silly.
Im sorry, your argument is that more people die then woman get raped so its ok to tell woman you will rape them?
No. I'm saying that telling people you will kill them is more serious then telling people you will rape them. So if people don't get banned for telling people you will kill them, they shouldn't be banned for saying the same thing about rape.
It's a matter of simple logical consistency,
If you told someone who had to live daily with the fear of being killed that you would kill them, and if the person saying he would kill you belonged to the group who had a history of killing people like you I would have reacted just as strongly.
Also you do realize nobody have commited a crime? The argument is simply, do you think its ok to tell woman ypu will rape them? If i went over to your girlfriend and told her i would rape her you would tell her its no big deal because being killed is worse then being raped?
On November 22 2014 11:43 Iodem wrote: Man, rape victims and people who are concerned with rape and rape culture are the most overly sensitive people on earth...
Fixed that for you.
Sometimes it's good to be sensitive about things.
No, I'm saying that Swedes are typically the most over the top whiners when it comes to so-called "offensive speech' and feminist crap. And what is "rape culture" ?
Rape culture:
"Rape culture is a concept that examines a culture in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality.[1][2]
Examples of behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, or refusing to acknowledge the harm of certain forms of sexual violence that do not conform to certain stereotypes of stranger or violent rape. Rape culture has been used to model behavior within social groups, including prison rape and conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare. Entire countries have also been alleged to be rape cultures.[3][4][5][6][7]
Although the concept of rape culture is used in feminist academia,[8] there is disagreement over what defines a rape culture and to what degree a given society meets the criteria to be considered a rape culture.[3]
Rape culture has been observed to correlate with other social factors and behaviors. Research identifies correlation between rape myths, victim blaming and trivialization of rape with increased incidence of racism, homophobia, ageism, classism, religious intolerance, and other forms of discrimination.[9][10]"
Also, you're in the United States like I am, so you should be well aware of what constitutes offensive speech, as well the fact that not everything feminism/ fairness related is "crap".
"Victim blaming" for telling people to take the same precautions that you would to not get mugged? It's everyone's responsibility to not commit crime, but it's also your responsibility to take precautions and avoid it. "Sexual objectification" when there are women who will throw themselves at men for sex, as well as dress as provocatively as they can to get attention? Trivializing rape? How do you do that? Denial of widespread rape? False accusations of rape exist- not every alleged rape occurs.
"it's also your responsibility to take precautions and avoid it" Except you're born a woman, so you're not even addressing the problem. A vagina isn't supposed to equate to a "rape me" sign on your back. Women can dress conservatively (not that they should *need* to if they don't feel like it), but they still get attacked *simply because they're women*.
"when there are women who will throw themselves at men for sex, as well as dress as provocatively as they can to get attention" This absolutely does not describe all women, and yet even the most conservative and professionally dressed and mannered women are objectified, not just whores or 18 year old chicks in bikinis.
"Trivializing rape? How do you do that?" By doing exactly what you did: victim blaming and making excuses for unwarranted sexual objectification.
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
6000-8000 woman gets raped each year in Norway, that only counts vaginal prnetrating and is consideted a very conservative estimate.
>40000 people in Norway get killed per year (by any factor). Dying is more common than getting raped
Anyway, the basic argument you are putting forth is that although killing is more serious than rape, more people live in fear of getting rape, i.e. it's the fear of it actually happening rather than the severity of the crime.
Extending this logic wouldn't it mean threatening to punch someone is worse than threatening to rape someone because more people live in fear of getting hit than getting raped?
I do agree that people should try not to rape each other, but this whole business about rape receiving special attention is silly.
Im sorry, your argument is that more people die then woman get raped so its ok to tell woman you will rape them?
No. I'm saying that telling people you will kill them is more serious then telling people you will rape them. So if people don't get banned for telling people you will kill them, they shouldn't be banned for saying the same thing about rape.
It's a matter of simple logical consistency,
If you told someone who had to live daily with the fear of being killed that you would kill them, and if the person saying he would kill you belonged to the group who had a history of killing people like you I would have reacted just as strongly.
Also you do realize nobody have commited a crime? The argument is simply, do you think its ok to tell woman ypu will rape them? If i went over to your girlfriend and told her i would rape her you would tell her its no big deal because being killed is worse then being raped?
No it wouldn't be fine. But it would be much worse if you went up to her and told her you were going to kill her.
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
6000-8000 woman gets raped each year in Norway, that only counts vaginal prnetrating and is consideted a very conservative estimate.
>40000 people in Norway get killed per year (by any factor). Dying is more common than getting raped
Anyway, the basic argument you are putting forth is that although killing is more serious than rape, more people live in fear of getting rape, i.e. it's the fear of it actually happening rather than the severity of the crime.
Extending this logic wouldn't it mean threatening to punch someone is worse than threatening to rape someone because more people live in fear of getting hit than getting raped?
I do agree that people should try not to rape each other, but this whole business about rape receiving special attention is silly.
Im sorry, your argument is that more people die then woman get raped so its ok to tell woman you will rape them?
People are allowed to tell others they will kill them in the same context so I'd agree
People are also allowed to say they will rape you. The question is if you think its ok to tell woman you will rape them? Just answear yes so I can write you of as a ignorant individual and ignore you.
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
Yeah, who cares about the third world or pseudo first world countries right? If someone is offended there nobody cares o_O #sarcasm
Yeah, we also can't make jokes about water or medicine, because people in third world countries will get offended because they die from the lack of that all the time.
If you extend this line of thinking, you can't actually joke about anything because somebody somewhere is bound to get offended.
You are using a snowball fallacy here, lets continue. We cannot discuss anything since somebody might disagree and might be offended. We should stop talking, since anything we say can directly or indirectly reflect some opinion, that someone is bound to disagree with. Thats not how it works. Its simple, discuss if its ok or not for Kas to tweet that, do not use a fictional example and claim its the same thing. "Going to kill an opponent soon" is obviously talking about defeating in game, but that rape joke can easily be interpreted as a form of harass. Tweet " going to kill some guy" to your neighbor and see what happens.
On November 22 2014 15:22 SidianTheBard wrote: People just get offended way too easily now a day.
I wonder if I said "I'm about to go smoke a fag at dreamhack" if they would DQ me. Because we all know fag = cigarette, right? Or is a queer? Who knows!
I wish someone would actually translate Maddelisk's response instead of using google. It's unintelligible in key points.
Kas' post sounded bad to me at first, because I didn't know there was a tournament coming up (even with his hashtag making it logical that there was). I don't follow the SC2 scene much anymore, but I did for a few years. That would make me more likely than most to be accepting of his statement. Yet, I wasn't at all. That makes it obvious that the tournament organizers would not want to have the tweet associated with their tournament.
b]Frag[/b]bite Masters (of slaves?) isn't the most appealing name to be connected with a company, however. And this is a "violent", bloody game. Why draw the harsh line at the point of an okay joke (given the right context)? Humor always offends people, and no publicity is bad publicity. I can see why Fragbite Masters would be annoyed, and even why they would disqualify Kas. What I don't understand is how they would be dumb enough to do so. I don't get why people make news stories of presidential candidates doing idiotic things in their childhood, or even of doing anything more than thirty years ago. Who are you trying to impress by blowing up trivial things? It's not working...
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
Yeah, who cares about the third world or pseudo first world countries right? If someone is offended there nobody cares o_O #sarcasm
Yeah, we also can't make jokes about water or medicine, because people in third world countries will get offended because they die from the lack of that all the time.
If you extend this line of thinking, you can't actually joke about anything because somebody somewhere is bound to get offended.
You are using a snowball fallacy here, lets continue. We cannot discuss anything since somebody might disagree and might be offended. We should stop talking, since anything we say can directly or indirectly reflect some opinion, that someone is bound to disagree with. Thats not how it works. Its simple, discuss if its ok or not for Kas to tweet that, do not use a fictional example and claim its the same thing.
But where do you draw the cutoff point? What number of people getting offended? Come up with a system to measure the magnitude of offensiveness? Wouldn't any cutoff point be arbitrary?
On November 22 2014 14:43 Pangpootata wrote: Imagine if Kas had said "Going to kill an opponent soon". Would he have gotten banned for that?
No.
But murder is a more serious crime than rape, so why would he get banned for saying "Going to rape some girl soon"?
Isn't it silly how peoples' repressed sexual desires have made rape an emotionally charged issue, while more serious crimes such as murder can be talked about trivially?
This whole issue disgusts me.
your logic is childish at best and sinister at worst, there are so many reasons it's different that i don't know where to begin
"kill" or "to die", linguistically speaking, doesn't always carry a connotation of ending a human life. it's much more common and accepted for "death" to be used metaphorically in any number of ways. your car's engine died. your passion for starcraft died. a bill died in the senate. to "kill" your opponent can simply mean to end their chances of winning the tournament, to stop their momentum. there is an almost infinite precedent for using "kill" this way in the english language. using "rape" to mean "defeat in a competition" is not something that's typically seen or accepted outside of a culture of sexually immature male gamers behind the veil of the internet, and for good reason
how many pro SC2 gamers do you think live in real fear of being murdered on an everyday basis? even in violent areas your odds of being murdered are fairly low. do you know what the odds of a woman being raped or sexually abused in her life are? not just by a stranger but by a family member or friend? do you actually understand how common and pervasive the problem of sexual abuse against women is? it's a matter of reality. it's not reality to presume that a gamer will have anxiety or fear triggered by a comment about being "killed" at their game, especially since the game's context in itself involves fictional soldiers fighting and killing each other in a war
that you think the reason for not wanting women to feel harassed and live in fear is "repressed sexual desires" is possibly the most offensive thing i've seen in this thread
Outside of the context of online games, rape has always meant to seize or capture by force. If you go look up the etymology of rape, the sexual meaning is only a very recent development, which I'm sure anyone who reads classics and eschews the vernacular would know.
Besides, it is more common for people to be killed (by any factor) than raped.
Anyway, most women don't live in fear of being raped unless it's some third world country or some shitty pseudo-first world country.
6000-8000 woman gets raped each year in Norway, that only counts vaginal prnetrating and is consideted a very conservative estimate.
>40000 people in Norway get killed per year (by any factor). Dying is more common than getting raped
Anyway, the basic argument you are putting forth is that although killing is more serious than rape, more people live in fear of getting rape, i.e. it's the fear of it actually happening rather than the severity of the crime.
Extending this logic wouldn't it mean threatening to punch someone is worse than threatening to rape someone because more people live in fear of getting hit than getting raped?
I do agree that people should try not to rape each other, but this whole business about rape receiving special attention is silly.
Im sorry, your argument is that more people die then woman get raped so its ok to tell woman you will rape them?
No. I'm saying that telling people you will kill them is more serious then telling people you will rape them. So if people don't get banned for telling people you will kill them, they shouldn't be banned for saying the same thing about rape.
It's a matter of simple logical consistency,
If you told someone who had to live daily with the fear of being killed that you would kill them, and if the person saying he would kill you belonged to the group who had a history of killing people like you I would have reacted just as strongly.
Also you do realize nobody have commited a crime? The argument is simply, do you think its ok to tell woman ypu will rape them? If i went over to your girlfriend and told her i would rape her you would tell her its no big deal because being killed is worse then being raped?
No it wouldn't be fine. But it would be much worse if you went up to her and told her you were going to kill her.
Still don't get the point?
Yes i do, you are agreeing that you should not tell woman you will rape them. Case closed.
Now if you want to campaign for banning people for saying they will kill a oponent who is fearing for his life go ahead. I dont think you will meet much tesistance.
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