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Kas disqualified from Fragbite Masters

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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 21 2014 21:42 GMT
#1
Kas was disqualifed from the tournament for a tweet he made before his match against Maddelisk.

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Here is the official Fragbite Masters statement:

http://fragbite.se/masters/news/36185/kas-disqualified-from-fragbite-masters


Fragbite The Ukrainian Terran Mihaylo "Kas" Hayda has been disqualified from Fragbite Masters due to inappropriate behaviour in connection with out StarCraft II tournament.
Fragbite Masters have decided to disqualify the Ukrainian Terran Mihaylo "Kas" Hayda from our tournament. This was decided tonight after Hayda acted inappropriately in social media, where he wrote an offensive post, claimed to be a joke, towards his opponent. Fragbite Masters do not tolerate this kind of behaviour. We strive to bring out the best of e-sports, and the said Twitter-post showed a part we all want to destroy from our community.

"First of all, I have to say that this is terrible. We will never stand for this kind of behaviour, and therefore a disqualification is highly appropriate. We need to show the players that these kinds of toxic acts have consequences. We have learned that the opponent in question has been dealt criticism for our penalty towards Kas, but we can assure you, this decision was made completely by the Fragbite Masters staff."

Pontus Eskilsson, Head of Fragbite Masters

As Group C has already started, there will be no replacement for Kas. This means the group now contains three players instead of four.


Here is a statement from Maddelisk:

http://esport.aftonbladet.se/team/maddelisk/uppdatering-efter-rape-tweeten

Google translate english version:

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Today , something happened that I think is really horrible. Before a tournament match, writes my opponent " Going to rape some girl soon" on twitter . When I learned of this I was blown away . We are talking about one of the best players in Europe.

Should we allow this type of behavior in e- sport ? Of course not . There is something that organizers agree. They put their foot down and disqualified player . It's probably best that I make clear that this was not something I asked for. Fragbite sets the standard , I hope more organizers will follow. They took a tough decision and I think it was the right decision. As Fragbite thanks ! You made some very good today. You show that e-sports are serious and that whatever is not allowed .

The player apologized afterwards. After my blog post , he apologized again and again. He changed his mind , it was clear . He assured that it would not happen again. It had taught him a lesson , he said , and I thank them for . I was hoping more people would learn from it. However , I continued surprised by the so called pro players . Nightend makes it clear that he is at Kas page: "hello drama queen , in the hope of not gonna cry to much arent u? or u iodide alreadycontains ? pathetic " .

Those of you who are wondering what I mean by that the climate is sometimes quite hard for female players might begin to understand why . Those of you who are wondering what is meant by that girl tournaments are good ( among other things ) to creating a secure environment , you may also begin to understand . Those of you who are wondering why many female players choose not to play mixed tournaments might begin to understand why . Yes, you got it. This type of behavior is unacceptable and makes it harder for girls . E- sport has the potential to be a sport where guys and girls compete against each other without anyone think it's weird . Here you can compete on equal terms. We have a ways to go .

Are we together continue to emphasize that we do not want the e-sports associated with this stuff ? I think !

P.S. It is after all, only a small percentage of the community that keeps on like this. Thanks everyone else for the support today. It's thanks to you I can write about this! You are wonderful <3



I know for many this might be old news, but I just heard about it and was suprised to see no thread on TL. I know it's being discussed on Twitter and Reddit, but I think 140 characters don't do this topic justice and Reddit often heavily favours one opinion. For me TL is still the best place for a healthy discussion and my main source for Starcraft news. That's why I made this post.


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Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 21:51:54
November 21 2014 21:47 GMT
#2
The term to "rape" someone at a video game is used extensively without referring specifically to women players. So I don't think that's necessarily what was intended (giving him the benefit of the doubt).

That said, rape is a serious thing and I don't think people should joke about it in that way, especially when there is a female player involved.

Can a tournament DQ someone for what they say in their personal time though? I believe the NBA has rules about such things, especially if they reflect poorly on the NBA (look at racist things said by the old Clippers owner, for example).

Edit- I'm glad that they acted on their own and not because someoned asked them.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 21:52:29
November 21 2014 21:51 GMT
#3
phenomenally stupid thing to say. good call to DQ as much as i like kas. that shits not cool.

now all thats left to do is to wait for the hatetrain towards maddelisk for the crime of writing about the experience.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
November 21 2014 21:51 GMT
#4
On November 22 2014 06:47 DinoMight wrote:
Can a tournament DQ someone for what they say in their personal time though?

If he hashtags the tournament, I don't see why not...
don't wall off against random
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 21 2014 21:52 GMT
#5
thats why we say faceroll now !
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 21:54:23
November 21 2014 21:52 GMT
#6
There is already a big discussion going on about this in the tournament thread.
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
sotaporo
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland195 Posts
November 21 2014 21:53 GMT
#7
too bad. pretty much any other word and that is nice thrash talk
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 21:53:48
November 21 2014 21:53 GMT
#8
On November 22 2014 06:51 PassiveAce wrote:
phenomenally stupid thing to say. good call to DQ as much as i like kas. that shits not cool.

now all thats left to do is to wait for the hatetrain towards maddelisk for writing about the experience.


Unforuntately I see this as a negative side effect... shes going to get a lot of wrongful criticism


On November 22 2014 06:51 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 06:47 DinoMight wrote:
Can a tournament DQ someone for what they say in their personal time though?

If he hashtags the tournament, I don't see why not...


Oops didnt notice that.

Yeah I think the DQ is justified then...
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
November 21 2014 21:54 GMT
#9
That's pretty stupid...DQ is the right thing to do. He doesn't deserve a spot in the tourney after saying something so offensive like that. You have to remember that your statements have consequences.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
November 21 2014 21:54 GMT
#10
Nightend made the situation worse by blaming maddelisk for what Kas said

Don't mind me
Nightshake
Profile Joined November 2010
France412 Posts
November 21 2014 21:54 GMT
#11
This will make more drama that it needs to. Kas' Tweet is clearly inappropriate but not a big deal after all. The word "raping" in gaming doesn't refer to the usual term, although Kas played on that.
Kas will just know now that you can't say anything you want, even on your own Twitter... He won't do it again but I hope this will not get him into trouble as it's really not that horrible.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18387 Posts
November 21 2014 21:55 GMT
#12
He would get DQed in other sports as well. Don't see whats wrong with the ban
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 21:56:29
November 21 2014 21:55 GMT
#13
On November 22 2014 06:53 DinoMight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 06:51 PassiveAce wrote:
phenomenally stupid thing to say. good call to DQ as much as i like kas. that shits not cool.

now all thats left to do is to wait for the hatetrain towards maddelisk for writing about the experience.


Unforuntately I see this as a negative side effect... shes going to get a lot of wrongful criticism


Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 06:51 rotta wrote:
On November 22 2014 06:47 DinoMight wrote:
Can a tournament DQ someone for what they say in their personal time though?

If he hashtags the tournament, I don't see why not...


Oops didnt notice that.

Yeah I think the DQ is justified then...

I am speaking tongue in cheek, there is definitely going to be a terribly negative reaction from cretins

edit- and nightend has got this off to a fantastic start
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
November 21 2014 21:55 GMT
#14
Poll: Kas - MaddeLisk situation

(Vote): Well, trash talk is trash talk - no more, no less - and part of esports
(Vote): Tweet was harsh, but absolutely fine in its context from an ethics points of view
(Vote): Tweet was inappropriate but shouldn't be as big of a deal as it is
(Vote): Tweet was very inappropriate and should be punished as it was
(Vote): Tweet was an absolute disgrace for esports and its community there should be even more consequences

"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 21:56:07
November 21 2014 21:55 GMT
#15
On November 22 2014 06:52 Leviance wrote:
There is already a big discussion going on about this in the tournament thread.


Oh I didn't know that, but I guess it's still good to separate this from the LR thread, as it should be about the games.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
BaronVonOwn
Profile Joined April 2011
299 Posts
November 21 2014 21:56 GMT
#16
I feel like if he said this verbally he would have gotten away with it, but he put it on the record on his official Twitter. How dumb is that? If you're a "professional" gamer then you might want to think about managing your image.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 21 2014 21:56 GMT
#17
I don't think Kas is a bad dude or meant it literally, but still a stupid thing to do. Even as a joke, saying you're going to 'rape' a girl is going to piss people off. In a game where every viewer and sponsor is extremely important, a tournament can't have any backlash against it.
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Phizzik
Profile Joined November 2010
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 21:58:53
November 21 2014 21:57 GMT
#18
I agree. From the information available it does not seem like Kas intended to use the word literally and directed towards women. There is also the difference in languages and how words are used. Unfortunately - he did use the word in reference to a woman even in the context of a video game whooping.

However - from what i can tell - the tweet was hashbrowned with fragbitemasters which then associates it to the organization and gives them the right to do so. IMO.

Just poor word choice by Kas - regardless of how he came to it. If only he tweeted a different 4 letter R word (REKT) instead im sure this wouldnt be an issue at all.

*i guess i type slow - tons of replies came through while i typed this*
"Live free or die."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 21 2014 21:58 GMT
#19
On November 22 2014 06:55 sharkie wrote:
He would get DQed in other sports as well. Don't see whats wrong with the ban

Have you listened to some of the trash talk in combat sports? Shit get violent. 'gunna kill you' and all that stuff.
liftlift > tsm
duckk
Profile Joined March 2013
United States622 Posts
November 21 2014 21:58 GMT
#20
I have practiced with kas since wc3 2008, and he is without a doubt one of the most mannered and respectful players I know. Most likely came off differently than how he intended :/
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