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Kas disqualified from Fragbite Masters - Page 3

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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 21 2014 22:05 GMT
#41
On November 22 2014 06:58 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 06:55 sharkie wrote:
He would get DQed in other sports as well. Don't see whats wrong with the ban

Have you listened to some of the trash talk in combat sports? Shit get violent. 'gunna kill you' and all that stuff.


If a NBA player went on Twitter and went 'I am gonna rape LeBron James so bad tonight his wife will feel it', he'd be suspended and given a huge fine.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
November 21 2014 22:05 GMT
#42
What a stupid shit to write on Twitter. Well deserved punishment imo. I do think this has to have a lot to do with language barrier, but if you're smart you know you don't say shit like that nowadays. The fact that this was directed (or not, I don't care) at a girl changes nothing btw. You can trash talk, but there are some boundaries today's society puts on what you can say. No racial shit, no homophobe shit, no rape shit, etc etc, it's not that hard to remember.

Next time, go for a yo mama joke. Timeless yet sophisticated, for the true gentlemen.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 21 2014 22:05 GMT
#43
Kas most certainly didnt mean that he had any interest in actually literally raping Maddelisk, but his subsequent comments on Twitter indicate that he at least knows what he said.
AdministratorBreak the chains
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
November 21 2014 22:05 GMT
#44
terrible opener by kas, build order loss.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 22:07:01
November 21 2014 22:05 GMT
#45
On November 22 2014 07:01 UberNuB wrote:
I find it comical that he almost certainly would have had nothing done to him had he posted this exact tweet, but was going to play a guy. #equality #itisnotactuallyaboutequality


Was the tweet malicious? Probably not. Would he have been DQed for saying this to a man? Probably not.

But saying you're going to rape a girl and hashtagging the tournament organizer was not very smart. And clearly, he at least is aware of how some people might interpret his use of the word "rape."

Discussing rape is not some academic excercise where we can talk about #equality. "Equality" doesn't mean that you can disregard the fact that men are almost never actually raped by women, whereas women get raped by men on a daily basis.

In an ideal world, nobody would be raped. #equality
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18694 Posts
November 21 2014 22:06 GMT
#46
On November 22 2014 06:58 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 06:55 sharkie wrote:
He would get DQed in other sports as well. Don't see whats wrong with the ban

Have you listened to some of the trash talk in combat sports? Shit get violent. 'gunna kill you' and all that stuff.


well I mean sports I respect like tennis, football,
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1482 Posts
November 21 2014 22:07 GMT
#47
Personaly, If I was Maddelisk I would contact Kas myself and tell him that he should publicly say he messed up, and I would then ask the organizers to allow Kas to play.
Equality or not, drama or not, etc, The people that I respect the most is the ones that solve the problem, not those who can figure out who is to blame.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 22:09:02
November 21 2014 22:07 GMT
#48
On November 22 2014 07:06 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 06:58 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 22 2014 06:55 sharkie wrote:
He would get DQed in other sports as well. Don't see whats wrong with the ban

Have you listened to some of the trash talk in combat sports? Shit get violent. 'gunna kill you' and all that stuff.


well I mean sports I respect like tennis, football,

Just because you respect a sport more than other sports doesn't mean the players respect each other more than in other sports.
why even
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
November 21 2014 22:07 GMT
#49
Hm, just in case anyone wanted to know the #realtalk, Maddelisk is in the right, Kas is correct to feel shame and is right to apologize and Nightend is a piece of shit. The end!
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
November 21 2014 22:09 GMT
#50
I'll remember this free win card. And, I now have a "legit" excuse for why I don't like to play in the GSL. Don't get me wrong, it's wrong to talk like that, but talk about milking it.
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 22:11:35
November 21 2014 22:09 GMT
#51
I wonder if Maddelisk would write that sort of tweet refering to a male gamer if she would get disqualified...

Not saying its wrong or right to write something like that, but there is a double standart in male-female interactions that sometimes becomes very unsetteling.


~93% of rapes are perpetrated by men
~90% of rapes are perpetrated against women (the discrepancy there being men on men)
*disclaimer that this is reported rapes. I'm sure it's slightly less one-sided given I'd speculate men are less likely to report being raped by a woman.


^ that right there is a double-standard in male female interactions. Treating it like it's a 50/50 thing is (rightly) very unsettling for women, given the ongoing and disproportionate victimization they suffer at the hands of men. Kind of disrespectful too. I agree that it should be adressed and avoided with/by both genders, sexual violence is not something that should be diminished through being an acceptable part of shittalking, but treating a woman less harshly for that kind of joke is fair in my books.
Poisonous Sheep counter Hydras
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
November 21 2014 22:10 GMT
#52
On November 22 2014 07:07 iloveav wrote:
Personaly, If I was Maddelisk I would contact Kas myself and tell him that he should publicly say he messed up, and I would then ask the organizers to allow Kas to play.
Equality or not, drama or not, etc, The people that I respect the most is the ones that solve the problem, not those who can figure out who is to blame.

He did apologize, and the organizers made the decision before she said anything.

What Kas said was crude, stupid, and unsportsmanlike, but if he's going to be punished for saying it about her, MC, Parting, and several others should be punished for saying it about their male opponents. Otherwise it's coddling Maddelisk because of her gender.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 21 2014 22:10 GMT
#53
On November 22 2014 07:07 sparklyresidue wrote:
Hm, just in case anyone wanted to know the #realtalk, Maddelisk is in the right, Kas is correct to feel shame and is right to apologize and Nightend is a piece of shit. The end!

NightEnD is indeed by far the worst character in this story.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 21 2014 22:11 GMT
#54
So what Kas said was obviously wrong, but I kind of don't like how because he said it to a girl, it makes it suddenly much much worse.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
November 21 2014 22:12 GMT
#55
On November 22 2014 07:10 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 07:07 sparklyresidue wrote:
Hm, just in case anyone wanted to know the #realtalk, Maddelisk is in the right, Kas is correct to feel shame and is right to apologize and Nightend is a piece of shit. The end!

NightEnD is indeed by far the worst character in this story.

I thought everyone already knew he isn't a very smart fella
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
November 21 2014 22:13 GMT
#56
On November 22 2014 07:09 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
I wonder if Maddelisk would write that sort of tweet refering to a male gamer if she would get disqualified...

Not saying its wrong or right to write something like that, but there is a double standart in male-female interactions that sometimes becomes very unsetteling.


~93% of rapes are perpetrated by men
~90% of rapes are perpetrated against women (the discrepancy there being men on men)
*disclaimer that this is reported rapes. I'm sure it's slightly less one-sided given I'd speculate men are less likely to report being raped by a woman.


^ that right there is a double-standard in male female interactions. Treating it like it's a 50/50 thing is (rightly) very unsettling for women, given the ongoing and disproportionate victimization they suffer at the hands of men. Kind of disrespectful too. I agree that it should be adressed and avoided with/by both genders, sexual violence is not something that should be diminished through being an acceptable part of shittalking, but treating a woman less harshly for that kind of joke is fair in my books.

By the same logic, women being killed shouldn't be taken as seriously because most murders are perpetrated by men against men.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5624 Posts
November 21 2014 22:14 GMT
#57
On November 22 2014 07:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So what Kas said was obviously wrong, but I kind of don't like how because he said it to a girl, it makes it suddenly much much worse.

I don't see why he had to bring up his opponent's gender in the first place. "Some girl" is pretty disrespectful in itself.
don't wall off against random
UberNuB
Profile Joined December 2010
United States365 Posts
November 21 2014 22:14 GMT
#58
On November 22 2014 07:09 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
I wonder if Maddelisk would write that sort of tweet refering to a male gamer if she would get disqualified...

Not saying its wrong or right to write something like that, but there is a double standart in male-female interactions that sometimes becomes very unsetteling.


~93% of rapes are perpetrated by men
~90% of rapes are perpetrated against women (the discrepancy there being men on men)
*disclaimer that this is reported rapesreported rapes. I'm sure it's slightly less onesided given I'd speculate men are less likely to report being raped by a woman.


^ that right there is a double-standard in male female interactions. Treating it like it's a 50/50 thing is (rightly) very unsettling for women. Kind of disrespectful too. I agree that it should be adressed and avoided with/by both genders, sexual violence is not something that should be diminished through being an acceptable part of shittalking, but treating a woman less harshly for that kind of joke is fair in my books.


That's absolutely idiotic logic.

Just because statistically the trend is for one group against another group doesn't make it acceptable when said in reverse. With that logic I (a white male) could say, "About to bomb these buildings. lol", but a Muslim couldn't?

Pretty fucking stupid.
the absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence.
Absentia
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom973 Posts
November 21 2014 22:14 GMT
#59
Using the word 'rape' to describe beating somebody at a video game has always been distasteful; the sooner it's no longer part of gaming's vernacular the better.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 21 2014 22:14 GMT
#60
On November 22 2014 07:12 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 07:10 Boucot wrote:
On November 22 2014 07:07 sparklyresidue wrote:
Hm, just in case anyone wanted to know the #realtalk, Maddelisk is in the right, Kas is correct to feel shame and is right to apologize and Nightend is a piece of shit. The end!

NightEnD is indeed by far the worst character in this story.

I thought everyone already knew he isn't a very smart fella

Lot of people didn't give enough of a shit about him to even know that before
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
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