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Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
November 21 2014 22:14 GMT
#61
...suddenly a wild NightEnd appears

:DDD
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 21 2014 22:15 GMT
#62
On November 22 2014 07:14 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 07:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So what Kas said was obviously wrong, but I kind of don't like how because he said it to a girl, it makes it suddenly much much worse.

I don't see why he had to bring up his opponent's gender in the first place. "Some girl" is pretty disrespectful in itself.


Change "some girl" to "some zerg" and it'd have been no big deal.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 22:16:14
November 21 2014 22:15 GMT
#63
really glad to hear the apology, kas is the fuckin man for owning up to it asap

and now nightend looks like a huge cock lol
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 22:16:56
November 21 2014 22:16 GMT
#64
What the serious fuck Kas. This is unacceptable.
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
November 21 2014 22:17 GMT
#65
On November 22 2014 07:09 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
I wonder if Maddelisk would write that sort of tweet refering to a male gamer if she would get disqualified...

Not saying its wrong or right to write something like that, but there is a double standart in male-female interactions that sometimes becomes very unsetteling.


~93% of rapes are perpetrated by men
~90% of rapes are perpetrated against women (the discrepancy there being men on men)
*disclaimer that this is reported rapes. I'm sure it's slightly less one-sided given I'd speculate men are less likely to report being raped by a woman.


^ that right there is a double-standard in male female interactions. Treating it like it's a 50/50 thing is (rightly) very unsettling for women, given the ongoing and disproportionate victimization they suffer at the hands of men. Kind of disrespectful too. I agree that it should be adressed and avoided with/by both genders, sexual violence is not something that should be diminished through being an acceptable part of shittalking, but treating a woman less harshly for that kind of joke is fair in my books.


Please bare in mind I was talking about the situation in the tournament, not actual rape. I believe that mixing a gaming tournament and trash talk (at least that is the way I see it) with real world rape is a bit missguided.
I was considering that context alone, where most people should agree that it was a game expression.
Women normally would not even consider using that word in a gaming environment as far as I know.
Again, Probably we should not make a witch hunt out of this, that sort of what I am saying.
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
November 21 2014 22:18 GMT
#66
On November 22 2014 07:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 07:14 rotta wrote:
On November 22 2014 07:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So what Kas said was obviously wrong, but I kind of don't like how because he said it to a girl, it makes it suddenly much much worse.

I don't see why he had to bring up his opponent's gender in the first place. "Some girl" is pretty disrespectful in itself.


Change "some girl" to "some zerg" and it'd have been no big deal.


It's a really stupid word to use no matter the gender, but it is obvious that it has a specific meaning when directed towards women.
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
November 21 2014 22:18 GMT
#67
lol, I like Kas.
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 21 2014 22:21 GMT
#68
I think Kas' apologizes should be in the OP.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 22:23:12
November 21 2014 22:21 GMT
#69
If they wouldn't have banned him if he had directed it at a male player, for example "im about to rape this dude", then this is a double standard and his disqualification is a load of shit.

if women want equality then give them equality.

On November 22 2014 07:00 iloveav wrote:
I wonder if Maddelisk would write that sort of tweet refering to a male gamer if she would get disqualified...
Not saying its wrong or right to write something like that, but there is a double standart in male-female interactions that sometimes becomes very unsetteling.


yep.
i am hoping the rules state that this kind of language isn't allowed in general, rather than this just being a blatant double standard
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
November 21 2014 22:22 GMT
#70


That should probably be put into the OP.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
November 21 2014 22:23 GMT
#71
On November 22 2014 07:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So what Kas said was obviously wrong, but I kind of don't like how because he said it to a girl, it makes it suddenly much much worse.

But thats how it is. Saying "Nigger" to a black person is much worse than saying it to a white person, and saying that you will "gas someone" is much worse if you say it to a jewish person.

Public statements dont just exist in a vacuum, historical and social context is always important.
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
November 21 2014 22:24 GMT
#72
On November 22 2014 07:23 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 07:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So what Kas said was obviously wrong, but I kind of don't like how because he said it to a girl, it makes it suddenly much much worse.

But thats how it is. Saying "Nigger" to a black person is much worse than saying it to a white person, and saying that you will "gas someone" is much worse if you say it to a jewish person.

Public statements dont just exist in a vacuum, historical and social context is always important.


Right. Exactly.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
November 21 2014 22:25 GMT
#73
On November 22 2014 07:21 travis wrote:
If they wouldn't have banned him if he had directed it at a male player, for example "im about to rape this dude", then this is a double standard and his disqualification is a load of shit.

if women want equality then give them equality.


It's basicly ban the player or give up your tournament, because no sponsor in sweden is going to go anywhere near fragbite again if they don't. This is one of the most touchy subjects in swedish society, and if you do anything that isn't as extreme as this, the sponsors and the organizer will be crucified.

I'm sure in a perfect world, fragbite would sacrifice their whole brand to make sure the word rape is used equally for both sexes, but this is far from a perfect world.
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inermis
Profile Joined September 2010
353 Posts
November 21 2014 22:25 GMT
#74
i wonder if there would be any drama at all of maddelisk was a guy... its just a trashtalk, in the words of Joker: "why so butthurt"
play hard go pro
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 21 2014 22:25 GMT
#75
On November 22 2014 07:22 Xoronius wrote:
https://twitter.com/MaddeLisk/status/535920630433325057

That should probably be put into the OP.


On November 22 2014 07:21 Boucot wrote:
I think Kas' apologizes should be in the OP.


Done!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 21 2014 22:26 GMT
#76
On November 22 2014 07:23 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 07:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So what Kas said was obviously wrong, but I kind of don't like how because he said it to a girl, it makes it suddenly much much worse.

But thats how it is. Saying "Nigger" to a black person is much worse than saying it to a white person, and saying that you will "gas someone" is much worse if you say it to a jewish person.

Public statements dont just exist in a vacuum, historical and social context is always important.


rape is not exclusive to women, and it's a stupid comparison anyways because this isn't even the context in which rape was being used.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
November 21 2014 22:26 GMT
#77
Guys just don't use the word rape when talking about a video game. It'll keep you out of situations like this. I don't think Kas meant what he said, but I agree with him being DQ'd under the circumstance.

Bleh I just wish we didn't have this whole section of gamers that thinks the word "rape" is cool to throw around whenever

Follow up:

https://twitter.com/MaddeLisk/status/535920630433325057
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
November 21 2014 22:27 GMT
#78
On November 22 2014 07:25 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 07:21 travis wrote:
If they wouldn't have banned him if he had directed it at a male player, for example "im about to rape this dude", then this is a double standard and his disqualification is a load of shit.

if women want equality then give them equality.


It's basicly ban the player or give up your tournament, because no sponsor in sweden is going to go anywhere near fragbite again if they don't. This is one of the most touchy subjects in swedish society, and if you do anything that isn't as extreme as this, the sponsors and the organizer will be crucified.

I'm sure in a perfect world, fragbite would sacrifice their whole brand to make sure the word rape is used equally for both sexes, but this is far from a perfect world.


There are numerous discussions on this term on blogs and stuff on Aftonbladet Esport and how it is a terrible word that we should avoid. And the Starcraft community itself here on TL brings it up every so often. But I'm glad you guys are concerned about the useage of the word! I'm looking forward to seeing more people call out usages of the term wherever it used, whether towards men or women!
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
November 21 2014 22:27 GMT
#79
On November 22 2014 07:21 Boucot wrote:
I think Kas' apologizes should be in the OP.


I agree with this, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he's a gamer whose first language is not English. In my opinion, Fragbite's decision was completely justified, though not necessarily required. Professionalism takes some precedence here, and that is language that nobody can throw into a microphone and expect to be taken seriously. Kas did a stupid thing, and as a result, he was DQd from a tournament that he wasn't originally going to be a part of. I doubt Cascade would add any punitive measure on top, so IMO, the incident itself is settled.

I threw this in the LR thread when we argued about it, and I'll put it here too.

On November 22 2014 06:05 Circumstance wrote:
Just some food for thought, from a lot of different, important perspectives (I put a timestamp in there, but if it doesn't work, skip ahead to 16:44):



Also, I think that if there's one thing we CAN all agree on when it comes to what happened today, it's that NightEnD is a tool.
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YurnerotheJuggernaut
Profile Joined November 2014
Faroe Islands65 Posts
November 21 2014 22:27 GMT
#80
Tournament confirmed full of no-brain pussies :D

User was warned for this post
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