EPTKas disqualified from Fragbite Masters - Page 6
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:05 Arghmyliver wrote: This. I imagine it can be pretty scary being a non-English speaker in a predominately English competitive scene. Considering the fact that English is a second language to Kas and the historical usage of the word rape in the context of gaming, I think it's a reasonable possibility that Kas didn't quite know what he was saying. It can also be scary to be a woman in a predominately male environment. I think it's good to problematize the tweet. | ||
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Dingodile
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:41 Holdenintherye wrote: Stupid tweet, but not sure how I feel about in-game punishment for something done out of it Eh he hash tagged the event. I think it's fine even from your perspective. From my perspective if you're a tournament organizer and someone says something that you and others find offensive (and potentially threatening though I know Kas did not mean it this way) you can just go ahead and axe him from your event. It's your tournament and the player has no absolute right to be there. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:44 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Hmm don't Dota players use this term all the time? I mean out of context it's a terrible tweet but in the gaming world this just means he thinks he's going to win by a large amount in his next game. Doesn't mean that I agree that they use the term for that but he obviously didn't mean it literally. (Besides Maddelisk would beat him up IRL she's amazingly strong lol). I can understand fragbite's decision because they don't want to have to explain that shit. Still really really nasty for Maddelisk to have to read such things, but I feel a bit bad for Kas too as he'd never mean this and english is not his first language. I was gonna point that out... she could kick 99% of progamers asses. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24604 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:45 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I was gonna point that out... she could kick 99% of progamers asses. Well. Rape has never been about physical strength. Overall it's possible for many victims to physically break free, but it is rather the social situation which makes it able to happen. So it doesn't really matter if she's stronger or not. | ||
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:44 Darkhorse wrote: Eh he hash tagged the event. I think it's fine even from your perspective. From my perspective if you're a tournament organizer and someone says something that you and others find offensive (and potentially threatening though I know Kas did not mean it this way) you can just go ahead and axe him from your event. It's your tournament and the player has no absolute right to be there. Oh that's right, he hashtagged it, so I guess he kinda dragged the tournament organizers into the mess... | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:44 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Hmm don't Dota players use this term all the time? I mean out of context it's a terrible tweet but in the gaming world this just means he thinks he's going to win by a large amount in his next game. Doesn't mean that I agree that they use the term for that but he obviously didn't mean it literally. (Besides Maddelisk would beat him up IRL she's amazingly strong lol). I can understand fragbite's decision because they don't want to have to explain that shit. Still really really nasty for Maddelisk to have to read such things, but I feel a bit bad for Kas too as he'd never mean this and english is not his first language. I think Kas clearly did not mean the word "rape" using its literal definition. However, I don't think it is a good idea to allow "rape" to fester in gaming communities anymore. Just because people use the term "all the time" doesn't mean we should continue doing so. You aren't helping to get girls into gaming by using words like rape. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:47 Holdenintherye wrote: Oh that's right, he hashtagged it, so I guess he kinda dragged the tournament organizers into the mess... Yeah that kind of sealed it for them. The TOs were obligated to act. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9336 Posts
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
He always seems like a nice guy so he probably didn't understand the weight of those words. | ||
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Darkwhite
Norway359 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:33 maartendq wrote: No, she would have suffered a heavy defeat, stood no chance whatsoever, lost heavily, been completely outmatched, not on the same level etc. There are a lot more appropriate ways to say the above; the verb to rape is used way too liberally in the gaming community.. Beat is also used super liberally, and literally means to inflict blows on. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:47 Darkhorse wrote: I think Kas clearly did not mean the word "rape" using its literal definition. However, I don't think it is a good idea to allow "rape" to fester in gaming communities anymore. Just because people use the term "all the time" doesn't mean we should continue doing so. You aren't helping to get girls into gaming by using words like rape. Oh yeah as I said it's a very understandable decision to draw a line and ban him from the tourny, I just hope Kas doesn't get in trouble too much and that this doesn't blow up more. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:51 Darkwhite wrote: Beat is also used super liberally, and literally means to inflict blows on. You know full well that is not the same thing. Beat is a word with multiple definitions in the english language. The second of which is, "defeat (someone) in a game, competition, election, or commercial venture." Here is a list of the generally accepted definitions for rape. So like I said, not even close to the same thing | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:53 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Oh yeah as I said it's a very understandable decision to draw a line and ban him from the tourny, I just hope Kas doesn't get in trouble too much and that this doesn't blow up more. Oh I imagine it won't, and I don't think it should. Kas has apologized personally and Maddelisk has accepted it. I also think this will keep Kas from doing this again. Basically I don't think Kas should be crucified or anything, but I think this is as good a time as any to open up a conversation about this kind of terminology (includes other hate speech in my mind e.g. retarded). This isn't as big of an issue in SC2 as in other games of course. | ||
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CamoPillbox
Czech Republic229 Posts
 points for kas that he keeped his cool about this, cause this is bu.ls.it of high calibre.For protest i will not watch tournament easy for me i dont like unfair games behind scenes. If he sayed it in game or in lobby cause rage ok but with no point on twitter u can say u rape whole world and who cares cause words is free especcially in games on internet where nobody mean what they write in 99% of time . I guess in Sweden have no sense of humour. PS: if u play tournament watch opponents twitters cause they can say something that u can capitalize on | ||
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Darkwhite
Norway359 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:55 Darkhorse wrote: You know full well that is not the same thing. Beat is a word with multiple definitions in the english language. The second of which is, "defeat (someone) in a game, competition, election, or commercial venture." Here is a list of the generally accepted definitions for rape. So like I said, not even close to the same thing So, in 1920, beat picked up a secondary meaning of defeating someone in competetion, while in the 2000s, rape started to pick up a secondary meaning of humiliating someone in competition. Surely not even close to the same thing. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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sekalf
Sweden522 Posts
Nightend on the other hand... | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:50 illsick wrote: He probably doesn't understand the significance of that word with the context that he wrote it in (being English as a secondary language) He always seems like a nice guy so he probably didn't understand the weight of those words. Yep, I think that's the case, as I myself used that word in the past without thinking about it (I'm pretty sure I said something like "lol Nerchio raped Yonghwa" during the HSC final back then). I learned that it's really taboo, although I'm still not 100% sure why that is, since obviously nobody is talking about actual rape. As I understand it, to say you will murder, kill or crush your opponent is more ok, although they are all much worse than rape in reality, since they result in death. So if you are not a native speaker, it can indeed be confusing. | ||
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