EPTKas disqualified from Fragbite Masters - Page 8
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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CamoPillbox
Czech Republic229 Posts
On November 22 2014 08:12 Doublemint wrote: take a nice chill pill from your box. you are not making a lot of sense. If u dont read whole topic dont wrote non sense opinions of yours then.. If u want be blind be blind + yes u need use logic to get my posts sadly that is something not on your side. | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:47 Darkhorse wrote: I think Kas clearly did not mean the word "rape" using its literal definition. However, I don't think it is a good idea to allow "rape" to fester in gaming communities anymore. Just because people use the term "all the time" doesn't mean we should continue doing so. You aren't helping to get girls into gaming by using words like rape. Whatever Kas's intention was isn't really relevant to what his words actually meant. It just means he didn't realize what the full connotations of his statement were. Few people do, most of the time. And also, the use of "rape" in gaming pretty clearly draws from its "IRL" definition. It connotes an act of total domination despite the potential resistance of the target, for one's own immediate gratification. Moreover, people often use it with other sexually violent imagery (references to genitalia, the anus, etc.). Now one could argue that people are just using all of these in jest, or that they aren't serious, or that it's not "real," because it's all just words, and the worst that could happen is that some sensitive folks get their feelings hurt. But as many, many social scientists have noted for quite a while, the way we use words actually has a huge impact on how we think about the world and each other. + Show Spoiler + See, for example, C. J. Pascoe's Dude, You're a Fag, or if you like REALLY heavy reading, Pierre Bourdieu's Language and Symbolic Power, chapter one | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Skrita
Czech Republic55 Posts
On November 22 2014 08:12 Doublemint wrote: take a nice chill pill from your box. you are not making a lot of sense. I would guess he also belives that the apollo landings were staged and the 11/11 was USAs plot to get to Iraq oil. | ||
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Thojorin
Germany162 Posts
But i sort of agree with Nightend here... Since this could never be taken literally, even if she felt offended by that (in which case she did not play many games on bnet ?!?) stirring up that amount of drama was clearly not necessary, and the DQ is really laughable. | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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Twilight Sparkle
Australia235 Posts
On November 22 2014 06:58 duckk wrote: I have practiced with kas since wc3 2008, and he is without a doubt one of the most mannered and respectful players I know. Most likely came off differently than how he intended :/ I can't think of many ways for a declaration that you're going to rape someone to not come off as at least mildly bad-mannered. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On November 22 2014 08:21 Thojorin wrote: I like that this story might dampen the use of "rape" in "common" chat, since i also was very put off by that in the beginning and i still very much dislike it. But i sort of agree with Nightend here... Since this could never be taken literally, even if she felt offended by that (in which case she did not play many games on bnet ?!?) stirring up that amount of drama was clearly not necessary, and the DQ is really laughable. The DQ came from Fragbite (without any influence from Maddelisk). And to me, it feels appropriate tbh. I think that maddelisk's blog entry is unnecessary though, but that's just IMHO. I mean, there's noone forcing you to read it, is there? | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On November 22 2014 08:21 Thojorin wrote: I like that this story might dampen the use of "rape" in "common" chat, since i also was very put off by that in the beginning and i still very much dislike it. But i sort of agree with Nightend here... Since this could never be taken literally, even if she felt offended by that (in which case she did not play many games on bnet ?!?) stirring up that amount of drama was clearly not necessary, and the DQ is really laughable. Did you even read her blog ? She didn't even know about the tweet until the admins paused the game. And even if she was indeed "stirring up that amount of drama", do you really think NightEnD's words are right ? | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
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zalem95
Peru186 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131217081420/cardfight/images/8/8a/Triple_facepalm.png) Kas wtf G_G | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
I love Kas but this is incredibly funny. Also butthurt politically correct people gonna hate forever. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On November 22 2014 08:31 aTnClouD wrote: lol I love Kas but this is incredibly funny. Also butthurt politically correct people gonna hate forever. I don't think this has anything to do with being politically correct. It's much, much beyond that. I do think it's an honest mistake and not something to hold a grudge over, but definitely also not something you brush aside. | ||
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
On November 22 2014 08:22 Twilight Sparkle wrote: I can't think of many ways for a declaration that you're going to rape someone to not come off as at least mildly bad-mannered. This. Mannered ppl don't even think in terms like that, let alone create such a message on a public twitter account. Pros also have to behave by example and get more people into the game and therefore increasing the number of sponsors and enhancing the image of eSports in general. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Not even so much the "rape" portion of the tweet given the context of its history in the gaming community but rather that it's compounded with "some girl" to trivialize her as a competitor. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
Kas didn't mean any harm from the comment, but he should still learn that it is not acceptable to use that kind of language. Nice that Maddelisk now gets another shot in the next round to maybe show what she is all about. | ||
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Darkwhite
Norway352 Posts
On November 22 2014 08:10 Grumbels wrote: There are a lot of differences between the two examples you picked. First of all, when people use the word rape they draw heavily on the symbolism often to a disturbing degree, while the word beat is no longer dependent on the primary meaning of the word. Secondly, rape is something men do to women so it becomes disturbing again when men use it triumphantly in their language as an expression of victory. Third, the emotional connotations of rape are more severe than beat. But you know all of this, so why are you trying to play Debate Club in this thread? :/ 1. So, indeed, if the secondary meaning was better established, it wouldn't be a problem? 2. Don't men beat women, too? 3. Physical assault is bad, but not as bad as rape so it's okay? I'm not as much playing debate club as pointing out that every part of our language is full of this sort of metaphor. Indeed, rape meaning sexual assault is itself a metaphor - the word initially just meant take (by force). It's fine if you find rape particularly offensive, but I'd like to understand why. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
He should be fired for just being unprofessional. | ||
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points for kas that he keeped his cool about this, cause this is bu.ls.it of high calibre.
