EPTKas disqualified from Fragbite Masters - Page 9
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KrOmander
United Kingdom78 Posts
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Defenestrator
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Even saying "going to rape a zerg," I could probably live with. But saying "rape a girl" completely crosses a line, and there should absolutely be 0 tolerance for that shit. | ||
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Deleted User 261926
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
On November 22 2014 07:03 Nightshake wrote: Dropping an excellent and still mannered player for making a bad move and saying something that he apologized for is clearly abusive and exagerated. Stop being emotional and think with reason. If he's making rape jokes he's hardly well-mannered. If this was done by a player that people don't like as much then sponsors would already have been contacted. He shouldn't get away with making public jokes about "raping" anyone just because a few internet dudes have decided that it's ok to use that word aggressively on the internet. It isn't, please stop trying to force this culture of using the word in that way. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
People say and do dumb shit all the time, but our is really the first generation where these mistakes can haunt us for years to come. Kas said something that was really fucking stupid, and he apologised for it and suffered a fair consequence, which I am perfetly cool with. I just hope it stops there. | ||
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HolydaKing
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45227 Posts
 To anyone who thinks an athlete shouldn't be worried about what they say... You clearly have zero idea of what gaming is like in a professional setting. E-sports parallels regular sports quite well in terms of sponsorships and professional behavior. This isn't just little kids sitting around and yelling expletives at their no-name opponents. It's not a matter of "get over it, grow a backbone". It comes down to representing brands and sponsors in a positive light, and there are so many other synonyms that could be used instead of "rape" (smash, wreck, beat, own, etc.) that there's no real excuse for choosing a word as controversial as "rape". Any pro basketball, baseball, or football player would be in trouble if they posted a public tweet about raping an opponent too. | ||
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FFGenerations
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Kazahk
United States385 Posts
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G5
United States2920 Posts
Sure, you can tweet whatever the hell you want and say (almost) anything you want legally speaking, but when you're in the public eye, you are held accountable to the crap you say. The reason why legit sport leagues around the world have code of conduct rules in place is because people look up to professional athletes (including you gamers). Even celebrities have code of conduct policies set in place with their employers. Kas F'd up and got punished (been there). Apparently he apologized and made it up to Maddelisk. That's great and goes a long way. He can be removed from this tournament and move on with a lesson learned (I'm sure his sponsors promptly provided a good learning experience for him as well). If anything good comes out of this, it's that this sets a stark reminder to pros that they need to conduct themselves accordingly. Because let's face it, if this crap happened all the time, companies that sponsor e-sports will look at this community and professionally say "F*#$ getting involved in that". If that happens, you can kiss your life of a foreign progamer good bye and settle for maybe a local lan and a WCG once a year like we had to in the old days of SC:BW. In that scenario, if you practice constantly, and win everything, you might walk away with $1,500! Woopi F*#$in Do... No one wants that digression in e-sports. As for Nightwhatever, that kid still needs to sack up, be a man, and admit he's wrong, admit Kas was wrong, and apologize to Maddelisk. | ||
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FFGenerations
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e5hp4zd.png) Also, this is highly relevant: | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8693 Posts
On November 22 2014 09:24 KalWarkov wrote: compilation of what i said on reddit on the matter, dont wanna rewrite everything + Show Spoiler + Also, this is highly relevant: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs ye we need more men in power, fuck women and their special treatment!. what this man said! wait what? | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
Words mean things and yes they do offend people. If we want the scene to grow and we want women to participate they need to feel welcome. This kind of language just creates a harsh environment for women. Its one thing to use generic trash talk, but when you direct a term like rape to a woman its big nono. Directing the term rape to anyone is terrible but we need to remember that rape specifically the word rape was originally a term that only applied to women being sexually assaulted by men, so the sensitivity is there. We need to keep these things in mind, its part of being reasonable adults. I mean honestly, if you think this kind of stuff is okay, then I seriously question your maturity. Its one thing to understand and forgive Kas for his mistake, but its another thing to try and justify the underlying message and acceptance of this kind of language - in general. I don't think Kas meant to seriously threaten or insult Maddelisk, but the language is used by lots of people in lots of contexts and this is wrong. We should focus on changing the core of the issue instead of just flaming Kas. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On November 22 2014 09:20 Kazahk wrote: People need to understand the context in which he is speaking. Rape is literally a universal gaming term. I think people really need to chill the fuck out and stop making social issues out of every fucking thing. It's also common to call someone a bitch in game. So I guess it'd also be totally fine for him to tweet "I'm going to beat this bitch." | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
This is one of those threads. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On November 22 2014 09:20 Kazahk wrote: People need to understand the context in which he is speaking. Rape is literally a universal gaming term. I think people really need to chill the fuck out and stop making social issues out of every fucking thing. women are raped every day. women are threatened with rape every day. we have no way of knowing if maddelisk is a survivor of abuse or assault. it's a social issue because it's a social issue, not because people feel like getting offended. "literally a universal gaming term"? so what the fuck is your point? i've gamed online for years and people will say anything to trash talk you. the n word, talking about raping people's mothers, murdering their families, etc. just because people use offensive abusive language commonly how does that make it acceptable or cool? people wonder why there are few women trying to compete in esports? yeah maybe the fact that it's largely a boys'club where if you don't want to be threatened with rape you should apparently either get over it or not play at all | ||
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CamoPillbox
Czech Republic229 Posts
On November 22 2014 09:40 GolemMadness wrote: It's also common to call someone a bitch in game. So I guess it'd also be totally fine for him to tweet "I'm going to beat this bitch." Drama queen gets another victim and Swedish tourney get another Swedish player for free from group I guess i know who is bitch here . Kas is only Sad that he was stupid to give them something to use as excuse.... I dont see democracy here....Free word u cant if u dont know there is still few nazi | ||
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Kazahk
United States385 Posts
On November 22 2014 09:40 GolemMadness wrote: It's also common to call someone a bitch in game. So I guess it'd also be totally fine for him to tweet "I'm going to beat this bitch." Why I said context He didn't say: I'm going to rape Madelisk in blah blah blah which would imply that it is game related and therefore not the common defenition of rape. For you it sound like your going to beat your wife or something. Saying I'm going to beat this bitch in poker makes you think of a totally different situation. Which is basically my point, its like one of those things that sound wrong when you walk into a conversation. It was an accident and I think being punished that severely over something you thought nothing of because you are used to those kinds of phrases thrown around with out people even saying anything about it. Its basically cutting off key points of the sentence because you assume your audience knows what your talking about. | ||
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