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On November 22 2014 10:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:12 zev318 wrote:
id bet all my real life money that if a girl tweeted this to a guy. we'd all be having a jolly time laughing at it and nothing would come of it. You mean if a professional female athlete posted "Going to rape some guy soon" on social media in front of millions of people, you don't think she would get into trouble? That's not a smart bet for you to make.
ya like if this same situation was reversed. i dont think she would. nor would anything have happened if it was same-sex
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On November 22 2014 10:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:12 zev318 wrote:
id bet all my real life money that if a girl tweeted this to a guy. we'd all be having a jolly time laughing at it and nothing would come of it. You mean if a professional female athlete posted "Going to rape some guy soon" on social media in front of millions of people, you don't think she would get into trouble? That's not a smart bet for you to make.
what about some korean pro saying he going to rape other korean pro ?... :p
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Disgusting tweet, good response by Fragbite, and Kas seems be sincere with his regret. If the rape joke-enthusiasts just stay in their caves, all will be well again in Starcraft land.
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On November 22 2014 09:54 Kazahk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:40 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 09:20 Kazahk wrote:
People need to understand the context in which he is speaking. Rape is literally a universal gaming term. I think people really need to chill the fuck out and stop making social issues out of every fucking thing. It's also common to call someone a bitch in game. So I guess it'd also be totally fine for him to tweet "I'm going to beat this bitch." Why I said context He didn't say: I'm going to rape Madelisk in blah blah blah which would imply that it is game related and therefore not the common defenition of rape. For you it sound like your going to beat your wife or something. Saying I'm going to beat this bitch in poker makes you think of a totally different situation. Which is basically my point, its like one of those things that sound wrong when you walk into a conversation. It was an accident and I think being punished that severely over something you thought nothing of because you are used to those kinds of phrases thrown around with out people even saying anything about it. Its basically cutting off key points of the sentence because you assume your audience knows what your talking about.
You don't say "I'm going to rape this girl," just like you don't say "I'm going to whip this black guy." It's just common sense. Yes, he didn't mean that he was literally going to rape her, but saying something like that wouldn't be allowed in ANY professional event. You think sponsors want to be involved with something in which people are publicly saying they're going to rape girls, regardless of context?
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On November 22 2014 10:16 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 22 2014 10:12 zev318 wrote:
id bet all my real life money that if a girl tweeted this to a guy. we'd all be having a jolly time laughing at it and nothing would come of it. You mean if a professional female athlete posted "Going to rape some guy soon" on social media in front of millions of people, you don't think she would get into trouble? That's not a smart bet for you to make. ya like if this same situation was reversed. i dont think she would.
Well please get a professional female athlete to do exactly that, and we'll see how things turn out.
Otherwise, your whining about double standards is baseless.
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On November 22 2014 10:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I just hope this blows over for Kas now. it was dumb, but not out of malice or bigotry I don't think.
It has really. His DQ was fair, and he has accepted it. Most of the arguing is not about him, but rather about double standards, and the handling of other instances of similar situations.
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Kas is one of my fav pro just because how nice he is and never rage at all.
I hope he doesn't give himself too much stress
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On November 22 2014 10:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I just hope this blows over for Kas now. it was dumb, but not out of malice or bigotry I don't think. It has really. His DQ was fair, and he has accepted it. Most of the arguing is not about him, but rather about double standards, and the handling of other instances of similar situations.
What double standards, even if these imaginary double standards exist, tell organizers to fix those double standards and apply a harsh punishment just like this case if they ever want to be professional organizations and professional gamers, instead of just nobodies who play video games and act like 12 year olds on internet forums.
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It was a crappy joke, he apologized, she accepted that and he got DQ'd from an event, pretty reasonably, considering the circumstance. No company is really going to be happy about someone using a hashtag for their event for something like this, let alone a player at that event saying making that kind of joke towards another player at that event.
Good to see that life goes on for everyone involved.
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On November 22 2014 09:55 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:38 ZeromuS wrote:
If you think this is okay in any way you really don't understand.
Words mean things and yes they do offend people. If we want the scene to grow and we want women to participate they need to feel welcome. This kind of language just creates a harsh environment for women. Its one thing to use generic trash talk, but when you direct a term like rape to a woman its big nono.
Directing the term rape to anyone is terrible but we need to remember that rape specifically the word rape was originally a term that only applied to women being sexually assaulted by men, so the sensitivity is there. We need to keep these things in mind, its part of being reasonable adults.
I mean honestly, if you think this kind of stuff is okay, then I seriously question your maturity.
Its one thing to understand and forgive Kas for his mistake, but its another thing to try and justify the underlying message and acceptance of this kind of language - in general.
I don't think Kas meant to seriously threaten or insult Maddelisk, but the language is used by lots of people in lots of contexts and this is wrong. We should focus on changing the core of the issue instead of just flaming Kas. im not saying its socially acceptable, im not saying kas shouldnt get banned from the tournament, hell im not even saying maddelisk and other people dont get offended by it. i'm saying i'm dissappointed by peoples reactions to the tweet personally, especially maddelisk herself. im dissapointed in humanity in the end. if i'm offended, in no matter what harsh way, i just deal with it. i don't reteweet it, tell the touranment organizers and make a blog about it. do you know why i would never do that? cuz im an adult with a working brain. she knows the consequences very well, which one of it is threads like this with so many opinions based on their society mindfucked brains which frankly offend me. this is where i question maddelisks maturity, and the maturity of so many other ppl - not mine.
Always question your own maturity first.
I completely disagree. There's an obvious disconnect with a large number of gamers and reality when it comes to what's acceptable or not - especially regarding women. These issues need to be brought to light so hopefully a some people (eventually most) will come around. I have a lot more I'd love to say on the topic but I'll save that for a possible blog... for now; Kas thought he had a clever joke, unfortunately it was over the line. He was reprimanded for it. Hopefully we can remove rape from our gamer dictionary.
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"rape" used to be common gamer slang but it's faded away a bit in the past 5 years in favor of more neutral terms like "rekt" or "destroyed", in 2009 no one would bat an eye at this but in 2014 we've decided collectively to be a bit more careful with our language i guess? So I'd say his DQ is fair.
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Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
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CamoPillbox that picture is completely inappropriate.
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On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
FGC is that way, don't let the door hit you while you leave.
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On November 22 2014 07:04 Paljas wrote:
The tweet was a disgrace, punishment was appropriate.
Kas apparently apologized and Maddelisk seemed to be fine with the apology, so we should not start a witchhunt against either side.
And NightEnd is a fucking idiot
pretty much this. Inappropriate tweet and he got punished so case closed imo.
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On November 22 2014 10:23 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 07:04 Paljas wrote:
The tweet was a disgrace, punishment was appropriate.
Kas apparently apologized and Maddelisk seemed to be fine with the apology, so we should not start a witchhunt against either side.
And NightEnd is a fucking idiot pretty much this. Inappropriate tweet and he got punished so case closed imo.
Agreed. Kas seems sincerely sorry and it looks like he and Maddelisk sorted things out, and I doubt it'll happen again.
We really need to move on lol. With IdrA and Naniwa and Stephano gone, people have been thirsty for inappropriate drama.
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On November 22 2014 10:23 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to. FGC is that way, don't let the door hit you while you leave.
What's wrong with fighting games?
I'm confused. It's like you think twitch chat represents the FGC but doesn't represent SC2...
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On November 22 2014 10:26 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 10:23 Caihead wrote:On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to. FGC is that way, don't let the door hit you while you leave. What's wrong with fighting games? I'm confused. It's like you think twitch chat represents the FGC but doesn't represent SC2...
SC2 twitch chat doesn't represent TL or most of reddit, it's two communities almost.
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On November 22 2014 10:21 Cheren wrote:
"rape" used to be common gamer slang but it's faded away a bit in the past 5 years in favor of more neutral terms like "rekt" or "destroyed", in 2009 no one would bat an eye at this but in 2014 we've decided collectively to be a bit more careful with our language i guess? So I'd say his DQ is fair.
ye its deserved.. i mean you just cant tweet that stuff lot of people are going to see it...
but ye "rape" is still used a lot at least here and it kinda only used in gaming context cause we wont use the portuguese word for rape cause it would sound horrible and be more serious. we actually use "rape" inbetween portuguese words.think non native english speakers sometimes dont get the impact some words can have.
so ye that tweet was wrong.. but dont crucify Kas for it..
(hope i didnt offend anyone with the word "crucify")
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