On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
FGC is that way, don't let the door hit you while you leave.
What's wrong with fighting games?
I'm confused. It's like you think twitch chat represents the FGC but doesn't represent SC2...
SC2 twitch chat doesn't represent TL or most of reddit, it's two communities almost.
FGC twitch chat doesn't represent shoryuken, neogaf, eventhubs etc or most of reddit. It's two communites almost
On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
FGC is that way, don't let the door hit you while you leave.
What's wrong with fighting games?
I'm confused. It's like you think twitch chat represents the FGC but doesn't represent SC2...
SC2 twitch chat doesn't represent TL or most of reddit, it's two communities almost.
FGC twitch chat doesn't represent shoryuken, neogaf, eventhubs etc or most of reddit. It's two communites almost
FGC is the one community that had a systematic backlash against being professional and is filled day to day with stupid drama and people acting like man-childs, not saying that there aren't amazing individuals in that community who put in DECADES of work just like BW legends, I just listed it because people on these forums continuously complain about professional conduct and defend stupid shit like these tweets.
On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
FGC is that way, don't let the door hit you while you leave.
What's wrong with fighting games?
I'm confused. It's like you think twitch chat represents the FGC but doesn't represent SC2...
SC2 twitch chat doesn't represent TL or most of reddit, it's two communities almost.
FGC twitch chat doesn't represent shoryuken, neogaf, eventhubs etc or most of reddit. It's two communites almost
It's not really two different communities, it's just the anonymity of those chats. They move so quickly. You don't really associate people with the comments being made, unless you're hanging out on a smaller channel. So people tend to act a bit stupid on those chats, as opposed to on shoryuken/TL, where you will get banned/criticized for being an idiot.
On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
FGC is that way, don't let the door hit you while you leave.
What's wrong with fighting games?
I'm confused. It's like you think twitch chat represents the FGC but doesn't represent SC2...
SC2 twitch chat doesn't represent TL or most of reddit, it's two communities almost.
FGC twitch chat doesn't represent shoryuken, neogaf, eventhubs etc or most of reddit. It's two communites almost
FGC is the one community that had a systematic backlash against being professional and is filled day to day with stupid drama and people acting like man-childs, not saying that there aren't amazing individuals in that community who put in DECADES of work just like BW legends, I just listed it because people on these forums continuously complain about professional conduct and defend stupid shit like these tweets.
so
On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
is complaining AND defending tweets that don't affect me. ok
On November 22 2014 09:38 ZeromuS wrote: If you think this is okay in any way you really don't understand.
Words mean things and yes they do offend people. If we want the scene to grow and we want women to participate they need to feel welcome. This kind of language just creates a harsh environment for women. Its one thing to use generic trash talk, but when you direct a term like rape to a woman its big nono.
Directing the term rape to anyone is terrible but we need to remember that rape specifically the word rape was originally a term that only applied to women being sexually assaulted by men, so the sensitivity is there. We need to keep these things in mind, its part of being reasonable adults.
I mean honestly, if you think this kind of stuff is okay, then I seriously question your maturity.
Its one thing to understand and forgive Kas for his mistake, but its another thing to try and justify the underlying message and acceptance of this kind of language - in general.
I don't think Kas meant to seriously threaten or insult Maddelisk, but the language is used by lots of people in lots of contexts and this is wrong. We should focus on changing the core of the issue instead of just flaming Kas.
im not saying its socially acceptable, im not saying kas shouldnt get banned from the tournament, hell im not even saying maddelisk and other people dont get offended by it. i'm saying i'm dissappointed by peoples reactions to the tweet personally, especially maddelisk herself. im dissapointed in humanity in the end.
if i'm offended, in no matter what harsh way, i just deal with it. i don't reteweet it, tell the touranment organizers and make a blog about it. do you know why i would never do that? cuz im an adult with a working brain.
she knows the consequences very well, which one of it is threads like this with so many opinions based on their society mindfucked brains which frankly offend me.
this is where i question maddelisks maturity, and the maturity of so many other ppl - not mine.
Admit rape tweet is offensive ---> claim tweet criticizing tweet saying "bout to rape a girl" is worse than rape tweet ---> admit retardation.
On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
FGC is that way, don't let the door hit you while you leave.
What's wrong with fighting games?
I'm confused. It's like you think twitch chat represents the FGC but doesn't represent SC2...
SC2 twitch chat doesn't represent TL or most of reddit, it's two communities almost.
FGC twitch chat doesn't represent shoryuken, neogaf, eventhubs etc or most of reddit. It's two communites almost
FGC is the one community that had a systematic backlash against being professional and is filled day to day with stupid drama and people acting like man-childs, not saying that there aren't amazing individuals in that community who put in DECADES of work just like BW legends, I just listed it because people on these forums continuously complain about professional conduct and defend stupid shit like these tweets.
On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
is complaining AND defending tweets that don't affect me. ok
Professional sports has certain standards that we don't even have in Starcraft, that's why people DON'T GET PAID prize money or salary from tournaments / teams, and players are forced to retire from shady corporate practice and lack of community support. We all know professional sports has problems, but Esports is EVEN WORSE right now, we should aim to be just as professional as professional sports and overcome those crippling problems that professional sports have. Again if even professional sports doesn't tolerate shit like this (which you apparently look down on), why is there anyone making excuses for Has / Nightend?
On November 22 2014 06:47 DinoMight wrote: Can a tournament DQ someone for what they say in their personal time though?
If he hashtags the tournament, I don't see why not...
A tournament can DQ someone for whatever reason they want really. Tournaments are private organizations run by a business entity, they are not required to follow the same rules that a government is.
On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
FGC is that way, don't let the door hit you while you leave.
What's wrong with fighting games?
I'm confused. It's like you think twitch chat represents the FGC but doesn't represent SC2...
SC2 twitch chat doesn't represent TL or most of reddit, it's two communities almost.
FGC twitch chat doesn't represent shoryuken, neogaf, eventhubs etc or most of reddit. It's two communites almost
FGC is the one community that had a systematic backlash against being professional and is filled day to day with stupid drama and people acting like man-childs, not saying that there aren't amazing individuals in that community who put in DECADES of work just like BW legends, I just listed it because people on these forums continuously complain about professional conduct and defend stupid shit like these tweets.
so
On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
is complaining AND defending tweets that don't affect me. ok
Professional sports has certain standards that we don't even have in Starcraft, that's why people DON'T GET PAID prize money or salary from tournaments / teams, and players are forced to retire from shady corporate practice and lack of community support. We all know professional sports has problems, but Esports is EVEN WORSE right now, we should aim to be just as professional as professional sports and overcome those crippling problems that professional sports have. Again if even professional sports doesn't tolerate shit like this (which you apparently look down on), why is there anyone making excuses for Has / Nightend?
People who take such definite stances on something that affects a total of 3 parties (maddelisk, Kas, tournament organization) are just looking for something to argue about.
On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
FGC is that way, don't let the door hit you while you leave.
What's wrong with fighting games?
I'm confused. It's like you think twitch chat represents the FGC but doesn't represent SC2...
SC2 twitch chat doesn't represent TL or most of reddit, it's two communities almost.
FGC twitch chat doesn't represent shoryuken, neogaf, eventhubs etc or most of reddit. It's two communites almost
FGC is the one community that had a systematic backlash against being professional and is filled day to day with stupid drama and people acting like man-childs, not saying that there aren't amazing individuals in that community who put in DECADES of work just like BW legends, I just listed it because people on these forums continuously complain about professional conduct and defend stupid shit like these tweets.
so
On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
is complaining AND defending tweets that don't affect me. ok
Professional sports has certain standards that we don't even have in Starcraft, that's why people DON'T GET PAID prize money or salary from tournaments / teams, and players are forced to retire from shady corporate practice and lack of community support. We all know professional sports has problems, but Esports is EVEN WORSE right now, we should aim to be just as professional as professional sports and overcome those crippling problems that professional sports have. Again if even professional sports doesn't tolerate shit like this (which you apparently look down on), why is there anyone making excuses for Has / Nightend?
People who take such definite stances on something that affects a total of 3 parties (maddelisk, Kas, tournament organization) are just looking for something to argue about.
On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
FGC is that way, don't let the door hit you while you leave.
What's wrong with fighting games?
I'm confused. It's like you think twitch chat represents the FGC but doesn't represent SC2...
SC2 twitch chat doesn't represent TL or most of reddit, it's two communities almost.
FGC twitch chat doesn't represent shoryuken, neogaf, eventhubs etc or most of reddit. It's two communites almost
FGC is the one community that had a systematic backlash against being professional and is filled day to day with stupid drama and people acting like man-childs, not saying that there aren't amazing individuals in that community who put in DECADES of work just like BW legends, I just listed it because people on these forums continuously complain about professional conduct and defend stupid shit like these tweets.
so
On November 22 2014 10:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Why do we want starcraft to be held to the same standard as professional sports, again? I think that's a terrible thing to aspire to.
is complaining AND defending tweets that don't affect me. ok
Professional sports has certain standards that we don't even have in Starcraft, that's why people DON'T GET PAID prize money or salary from tournaments / teams, and players are forced to retire from shady corporate practice and lack of community support. We all know professional sports has problems, but Esports is EVEN WORSE right now, we should aim to be just as professional as professional sports and overcome those crippling problems that professional sports have. Again if even professional sports doesn't tolerate shit like this (which you apparently look down on), why is there anyone making excuses for Has / Nightend?
People who take such definite stances on something that affects a total of 3 parties (maddelisk, Kas, tournament organization) are just looking for something to argue about.
It affects everyone capable of learning from the mistakes of others - and people who might otherwise be put in similar situations if not for the people who learn from this.
I feel bad for Kas, but I also feel like the tournament had no options but to DQ him at this point. This is simply not the kind of conduct an organization can be seen as condoning.
I also feel bad for Maddelisk for being put in such an awkward situation.
I am most angry at NightEnD. Kas' tweet was inapropriate, but IMO it has nothing on NightEnD's personal attack on Maddelisk.
"Rape" is not a negative conotation in gaming and "nigga" is not a negative connotation in real life at least in alot of societies in the US. Proffessionals, specifically NBA and NFL players use "nigga" all the time. Kas knew he was far better than maddelisk and it was clearly a joke. Its definitely not worth a suspension. It should only be bannable offense if he were to use something more derogatory such as "pussy" or "faggot" in his tweets which is completely unacceptable. "Rape" is not really negative in gaming culture. Fragbite Masters admin were too harsh on this one.
This is the esports equivalent of someone like Bastian Schweinsteiger saying "Our plays will work better than Zyklon B!" In reference to an upcoming match against an Israeli football team.
Sure, to the people who are heavily invested and informed about football it could be taken as a joke in poor taste (considering it is an apt analogy for how badly Germany would murder Israel's chances at winning.)
But to those who aren't super big soccer fans or sc2superfan's, it sounds really really fucking bad. On top of that, this sounds 10000000000000x worse to the organization/sponsors. There's a bunch of butthurt Kas fans coming in here whining about how he lost out on a chance to earn fame and money.
What they don't realize is how much damage Kas's actions could have done to the organization. If the tournament admins had responded slower or been dumb enough to defend Kas's stupidity, then Fragbite could have gone under in the resultant media frenzy. Esports organizations like Fragbite depend on sponsors to operate. Sponsors don't like being associated with rape in any form whatsoever (it's pretty bad for business y'know). If the sponsors pull out, then that means no more sc2 tourneys (and the current one might not even be able pay out prize money). It could also mean no more CS:GO tourneys, no DOTA, no LOL. Considering the razor thin margins of esports tourneys (esp sc2), Kas's actions posed a giant fucking threat to the jobs of dozens if not hundreds of employees and players.
On November 22 2014 10:50 ne4aJIb wrote: All thrash talk should be banned.
On November 22 2014 11:05 Rickyvalle21 wrote: "Rape" is not a negative conotation in gaming and "nigga" is not a negative connotation in real life at least in alot of societies in the US. Proffessionals, specifically NBA and NFL players use "nigga" all the time. Kas knew he was far better than maddelisk and it was clearly a joke. Its definitely not worth a suspension. It should only be bannable offense if he were to use something more derogatory such as "pussy" or "faggot" in his tweets which is completely unacceptable. "Rape" is not really negative in gaming culture. Fragbite Masters admin were too harsh on this one.
White people don't say nigga. Gamers don't say "I'm gonna rape a girl".
On November 22 2014 11:05 Rickyvalle21 wrote: "Rape" is not a negative conotation in gaming and "nigga" is not a negative connotation in real life at least in alot of societies in the US. Proffessionals, specifically NBA and NFL players use "nigga" all the time. Kas knew he was far better than maddelisk and it was clearly a joke. Its definitely not worth a suspension. It should only be bannable offense if he were to use something more derogatory such as "pussy" or "faggot" in his tweets which is completely unacceptable. "Rape" is not really negative in gaming culture. Fragbite Masters admin were too harsh on this one.
White people don't say nigga. Gamers don't say "I'm gonna rape a girl".
are you being facetious? Both of those statements are demonstrably false
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