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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
I honestly cannot even fathom attempting to argue with half of the statements made here @_@ they're just ... way too far gone ... | ||
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Citizen16
Canada6 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On November 22 2014 11:53 plogamer wrote: That's going too far, Kas has apologized, in what seems to a very sincere manner. Might be going too far concerning the politics around these matters in gaming world but I'm a pretty extreme person in terms of morals and wish people were more unforgiving towards antissocial and actually threatening behavior. You guys are forgetting one thing that's of extreme importance, he actually said this to a woman. He actually said this in a way that makes historical and social sense. Men have been raping women historically and when a man threatens a woman of rape it's solely the actualization of a known and widely accepted behavior. When a man threatens another straight man of rape in a competitive videogame it's a niche behavior with altered meaning to a specific culture(nonetheless legitimized by the known rape behavior of mainstream culture and its connotation of domination). Shit's gross. | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Welcome to 2014. Please don't think that writing something on social media is any different than saying it in real life. Twitter isn't even anonymous, so this is far from some random internet message board. You're in for a rude awakening when your future boss, company, or sponsor lets you go because of unfiltered social media statements. its even worse because you reach far more people over twitter than if you shout at a public square. DarkPlasmaBall's signature says: I suppose mathematicians are polytheists, because they have a whole set of imaginary friends. As a mathmatician, I am an atheist because the imaginary sets are not my friends. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:11 Alpino wrote: Might be going too far concerning the politics around these matters in gaming world but I'm a pretty extreme person in terms of morals and wish people were more unforgiving towards antissocial and actually threatening behavior. You guys are forgetting one thing that's of extreme importance, he actually said this to a woman. He actually said this in a way that makes historical and social sense. Men have been raping women historically and when a man threatens a woman of rape it's solely the actualization of a known and widely accepted behavior. When a man threatens another straight man of rape in a competitive videogame it's a niche behavior with altered meaning to a specific culture(nonetheless legitimized by the known rape behavior of mainstream culture and its connotation of domination). Shit's gross. Like, what is this dude? holy shit...... O.o o.O Absolutely mind blowing. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On November 22 2014 11:20 ZenithM wrote: Thinking about it, that gamer slang problem seems to only apply to English. I could be wrong in this, but we really don't use the French word for "rape" to say kinda the same thing in French. At least I don't think I've ever heard it from a French gamer, but it has been a long time since I've played anything online in French and people who I LAN with are too nice to trash talk like that so I wouldn't really know :D We probably have other offensive terms though. Do you people know if other languages use their equivalent of the word "rape" as a substitute to "win in an overwhelming fashion in a game"? In Swedish the English word "rape" is just used with a Swedish verb conjugation ("rapa"), instead of the Swedish word for rape "våldta". It's basically pronounced "rape-ah". It was very commonly used late 90's and early 00's, and seems to see less frequent use nowadays, but it's obviously still around as its English equivalent is. Or maybe I'm just older and don't spend time with immature people who use the word. Though a lot of old school gamers growing up using it still use it, so, yeah... | ||
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On November 22 2014 11:40 Boucot wrote: No, more like a caster would say "il s'est fait complètement violer" when a player gets 2-0'd. But it's been a while since I have heard it for the last time. Ah I see, I guess it kind of works but it would be offputting at first  | ||
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
the drama is honestly there... but kas apologized and nightend's comment to maddelisk is just unnecessary... i mean cmon we have to admit it is a little bit offensive/vulgar... | ||
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limbonic
70 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44313 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:13 graNite wrote: its even worse because you reach far more people over twitter than if you shout at a public square. Agreed. All your family, friends, fans, and colleagues (not to mention tons of strangers) will often see your social media message much easier and faster than you saying it in person too. And obviously, context and sarcasm and inflection are harder to portray online than in person. As a mathmatician, I am an atheist because the imaginary sets are not my friends. That is an equally valid point :D | ||
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
On November 22 2014 06:55 Leviance wrote: Poll: Kas - MaddeLisk situation (Vote): Well, trash talk is trash talk - no more, no less - and part of esports Tweet was very inappropriate and should be punished as it was. Kas not a bad guy though... | ||
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Darkwhite
Norway348 Posts
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers. The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points. All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Agreed. All your family, friends, fans, and colleagues (not to mention tons of strangers) will often see your social media message much easier and faster than you saying it in person too. And obviously, context and sarcasm and inflection are harder to portray online than in person. and: the internet does not forget. if you google for "kas maddelisk rape" in 5 years, you will find this thread. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:11 Alpino wrote: Might be going too far concerning the politics around these matters in gaming world but I'm a pretty extreme person in terms of morals and wish people were more unforgiving towards antissocial and actually threatening behavior. You guys are forgetting one thing that's of extreme importance, he actually said this to a woman. He actually said this in a way that makes historical and social sense. Men have been raping women historically and when a man threatens a woman of rape it's solely the actualization of a known and widely accepted behavior. When a man threatens another straight man of rape in a competitive videogame it's a niche behavior with altered meaning to a specific culture(nonetheless legitimized by the known rape behavior of mainstream culture and its connotation of domination). Shit's gross. Maddelisk is fine with Kas' apology, seriously now you're doing more harm to the dialogue than good with your overzealous behaviour. On November 22 2014 12:22 Advantageous wrote: *grabs popcorn* the drama is honestly there... but kas apologized and nightend's comment to maddelisk is just unnecessary... i mean cmon we have to admit it is a little bit offensive/vulgar... Yeah, nightend's comment is completely out of place. He's not involved afaik but has to butt in and make a vulgar and downright false statement. Maddelisk appears to have given defacto acceptance to Kas' apology. On November 22 2014 12:10 -Kyo- wrote: I don't even know where to begin, but man... I really think this thread should be closed. There is just so much over-the-top reactions on both sides it's kind of depressing that I am reading TL. I honestly cannot even fathom attempting to argue with half of the statements made here @_@ they're just ... way too far gone ... Let's not discredit the entire discussion because of a few zealots. | ||
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Rickyvalle21
United States320 Posts
On November 22 2014 11:15 Doodsmack wrote: White people don't say nigga. Gamers don't say "I'm gonna rape a girl". White people dont say nigga because they don't fit into the culture criteria. Gamers dont say they will rapr a girl in a video gamr because females are the vast majority in gaming. Its different. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote: StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies. Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers. The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points. All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. Do you understand reality and fantasy? The violence you speak of is directed at no real human being. There are no mothers of Space Marines out there whose son's were blown up by Banelings. The rape joke was directed at a real human being, and is a threat as well being sexist and misogynistic. Let's flip it around. Pretend Kas was a porn star, starring in porn film regarding S&M and he was going to tie some girls up. But as meets another male performer on the set who lost his son in Iraq to an IED, and he starts making insensitive jokes about his son being blown up and threatens him to use his cell phone to set off a bomb. Again, the first part is okay (the porn movie), it is fantasy, the second is not, that is reality. Yeah, the real story is Kas made a really stupid comment and is incredibly insensitive. But I'm not shocked you're defending him, being most human beings are sexist and misogynistic. This is Idra level bad. | ||
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ddayzy
259 Posts
I get that he didnt mean it in a bad way and he clearly isnt a bad guy. He tok responsibility and apologiesed, kudos for that and it is not something I would hold against him in the future. But it was still a incredibly stupid thing to say and when it is said in the context of a tournament the right thing to do is DQ. The person who looks worst after this nightend. That was stupid, cruel and ignorant all at ones. What a moron. | ||
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