EPTKas disqualified from Fragbite Masters - Page 15
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote: StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies. Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers. The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points. All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:43 ddayzy wrote: For those claiming there is a double standard for men and woman here - the difference is that something like 1 in 3 woman have been sexually harrased. Rape is a very real fear in a womans life, while its a possibility for men to be raped I sincerly doubt any if you walk home at night fearing someone will rape you. I get that he didnt mean it in a bad way and he clearly isnt a bad guy. He tok responsibility and apologiesed, kudos for that and it is not something I would hold against him in the future. But it was still a incredibly stupid thing to say and when it is said in the context of a tournament the right thing to do is DQ. I've seen multiple people post the bolded statement in this thread and am curious as to how many of them are actually female recounting their daily experiences and how many are just males who want to seem sensitive. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:44 Dreamer.T wrote: Honestly don't know what might cause a person to say something so stupid, let alone post it on fucking twitter. I'd argue that there's probably a cultural/language barrier there, too. Most americans in their right minds know the implications of saying something like this. | ||
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Darkwhite
Norway352 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote: ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. Edit: Unless they have zero context. | ||
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ddayzy
259 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:47 Fecalfeast wrote: I've seen multiple people post the bolded statement in this thread and am curious as to how many of them are actually female recounting their daily experiences and how many are just males who want to seem sensitive. It is a statistical fact, 90% of rape victims are woman, 1 in 3 woman sats they have been sexually harrased. It also becomes blightedly obvious if you go out at clubs. You see woman having to push away men grabbing at them. My sister had to ealk home alone from a bar, guys yelled sexual stuff after her, she went into a 7/11 where a man in his 50 started to grab her ass and when she went out a guy started to follow her and she had to jump into a cab and lock the doors. That was in Norway. Imagin how fun a rape joke would be after that. | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote: I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:55 ddayzy wrote: It is a statistical fact, 90% of rape victims are woman, 1 in 3 woman sats they have been sexually harrased. It also becomes blightedly obvious if you go out at clubs. You see woman having to push away men grabbing at them. My sister had to ealk home alone from a bar, guys yelled sexual stuff after her, she went into a 7/11 where a man in his 50 started to grab her ass and when she went out a guy started to follow her and she had to jump into a cab and lock the doors. That was in Norway. Imagin how fun a rape joke would be after that. Correction: 90% of reported rape victims are women. On November 22 2014 13:01 BisuDagger wrote: How has this been anything but a good thing?!? Kas said something inappropriate. Tournament hosts take action. Kas is disqualified from the tournament, but posts that he has learned his lesson. Which means that this mild punishment that won't ruin his career has helped him. Madel also posts a positive response stating everything is fine between them now. Everything has worked out great! There is really nothing else you can take from this. This is a perfect example of how we can learn from our actions to create a more positive atmosphere in gaming and in real life. Agreed 100%. There's no drama, no scandal, no controversy to find here. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19302 Posts
Kas said something inappropriate. Tournament hosts take action. Kas is disqualified from the tournament, but posts that he has learned his lesson. Which means that this mild punishment that won't ruin his career has helped him. Madel also posts a positive response stating everything is fine between them now. Everything has worked out great! There is really nothing else you can take from this. This is a perfect example of how we can learn from our actions to create a more positive atmosphere in gaming and in real life. | ||
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ddayzy
259 Posts
On November 22 2014 13:01 BisuDagger wrote: How has this been anything but a good thing?!? Kas said something inappropriate. Tournament hosts take action. Kas is disqualified from the tournament, but posts that he has learned his lesson. Which means that this mild punishment that won't ruin his career has helped him. Madel also posts a positive response stating everything is fine between them now. Everything has worked out great! There is really nothing else you can take from this. This is a perfect example of how we can learn from our actions to create a more positive atmosphere in gaming and in real life. With the exception of Nightends comment I would agree, hes the only one I feel comes uot of this looking bad. | ||
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BongChambers
Canada591 Posts
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Darkwhite
Norway352 Posts
On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote: No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? | ||
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Cassalina
United States65 Posts
HOWEVER, i understand Maddelisk's point as well, and i see what she means by this can make it harder for girls to play in mixed tourneys. So a DQ was probably the right move, especially since this isn't ladder, and on the pro level, i think players should be held to a higher standard... don't post that stuff on social media folks :\... anyway hopefully we can get this behind us, this is really an unfortunate stupid mistake that i think we can all move past and forget about. Just hope this teached professionals to ...you know act professional  i still love you kas, you were mannered to me in beta :D | ||
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Beavo
Canada293 Posts
And also good on Kas for owning up to his mistake. | ||
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achew
France86 Posts
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Superbanana
2369 Posts
Good community edit: its not a matter of whether Kas is a nice guy or not, this behaviour is improper (not absolutely terrible, but he was not fined, permanently banned or arrested ^^'), and should be punished as is. We cannot accept hateful or rape comments as something natural just because its common. Making a joke with friends that know well you are not serious is ok, but a puplic statement is an entirely different matter, and social media shouldn't be flooded by those. | ||
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ddayzy
259 Posts
On November 22 2014 13:03 BongChambers wrote: Lmao what a joke, social media dictating someone being removed from a tourney? Freedom of speech means nothing to the tournament organizers I guess. If he had said something like "this tournament doesn't provide hot towels and the head admin is a total dick weed" then maybe I could see him being removed. I can't believe people take this so seriously, especially in the e-sports scene. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequenses. You can say what you want but people are equally free to react to what you say. Its silly how its the people who are up in arms the most over free speech are usually the same people who have no clue what it means. His actions got him removed from a tounament. He said something that the organizors didnt think want to be associated with so he got disqualified. Kas himself has aknowledge it as a mistake. | ||
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zergtat
Hong Kong853 Posts
On November 22 2014 13:01 BisuDagger wrote: How has this been anything but a good thing?!? Kas said something inappropriate. Tournament hosts take action. Kas is disqualified from the tournament, but posts that he has learned his lesson. Which means that this mild punishment that won't ruin his career has helped him. Madel also posts a positive response stating everything is fine between them now. Everything has worked out great! There is really nothing else you can take from this. This is a perfect example of how we can learn from our actions to create a more positive atmosphere in gaming and in real life. Very well said. All parties got their lessons and positively reacted. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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ddayzy
259 Posts
On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote: You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? | ||
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