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On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life?
I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats.
PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament.
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On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. Edit: Unless they have zero context.
Of course it's not an actual rape threat. The point is that rape is a serious issue and not something that should be made light of in such a way. Just like you wouldn't say "I'm going to whip this black guy."
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On November 22 2014 13:03 BongChambers wrote:
Lmao what a joke, social media dictating someone being removed from a tourney? Freedom of speech means nothing to the tournament organizers I guess. If he had said something like "this tournament doesn't provide hot towels and the head admin is a total dick weed" then maybe I could see him being removed. I can't believe people take this so seriously, especially in the e-sports scene.
"Freedom of speech means nothing to the tournament organizers I guess"
"If he'd said this I could see him being removed"
You do see where you went wrong here?
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On November 22 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. Edit: Unless they have zero context. Of course it's not an actual rape threat. The point is that rape is a serious issue and not something that should be made light of in such a way. Just like you wouldn't say "I'm going to whip this black guy."
And now we have come full circle. If rape is too serious of an issue to joke with, then isn't war too serious to make frivolous games about?
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Outrage porn.
Feminist bullshit.
Freedom of speech.
Of course organizations can pick and choose who they want to deal with, but there's too much of this pussy Politically correct crap these days. Non issues.
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On November 22 2014 13:16 Darkwhite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats. PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament.
At least you prove the ignorant part. Saying something is a joke does not give you a lissence to say all the stupid shit you want.
Your logic was that if its ok to shoot people in games its ok to tell a girl you are gonna rape here in real life, which is a unbelivable stupid thing to say.
Kas himself realised how stupid it was to say it and is proving himself a real man taking responsibilities for his actions, unlike others.
Are you from Oslo?
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On November 22 2014 06:47 DinoMight wrote:
Can a tournament DQ someone for what they say in their personal time though? I believe the NBA has rules about such things, especially if they reflect poorly on the NBA (look at racist things said by the old Clippers owner, for example).
That's the thing. It's not really "their personal time" because they put it on "social" media, which IMHO kind of negates any expectation of privacy you would expect during your "personal time".
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On November 22 2014 13:22 Darkwhite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. Edit: Unless they have zero context. Of course it's not an actual rape threat. The point is that rape is a serious issue and not something that should be made light of in such a way. Just like you wouldn't say "I'm going to whip this black guy." And now we have come full circle. If rape is too serious of an issue to joke with, then isn't war too serious to make frivolous games about?
Pretty sure the average gamer doesn't have to worry every day about suddenly being in a war, unless they actively chose to join the army or whatever.
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On November 22 2014 13:25 ddayzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:16 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats. PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament. At least you prove the ignorant part. Saying something is a joke does not give you a lissence to say all the stupid shit you want. Your logic was that if its ok to shoot people in games its ok to tell a girl you are gonna rape here in real life, which is a unbelivable stupid thing to say.
If you are going to completely ignore the difference between an obvious joke and a credible threat, this isn't going to get anywhere. I'm not okay with threatening people with any sort of violence.
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On November 22 2014 13:24 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Outrage porn.
Feminist bullshit.
Freedom of speech.
Of course organizations can pick and choose who they want to deal with, but there's too much of this pussy Politically correct crap these days. Non issues.
Do you know what 'feminist' means?
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wow i thought the last time anyone had to earnestly post "you dont know what freedom of speech means" anywhere on the internet was like maybe sometime in 2007. this is a real cro-magnon ass thread
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On November 22 2014 13:22 Darkwhite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. Edit: Unless they have zero context. Of course it's not an actual rape threat. The point is that rape is a serious issue and not something that should be made light of in such a way. Just like you wouldn't say "I'm going to whip this black guy." And now we have come full circle. If rape is too serious of an issue to joke with, then isn't war too serious to make frivolous games about?
We must draw the line somewhere. With context we can assume its not a rape threat, but if its allowed suddenly its really hard to punish someone if everyone post something like that before playing a girl. If its allowed people can say things like that with the intention to offend, and they can get away with it saying "its a joke".
That has nothing to do with violence in games, but if you really thing its the same, then please show me how SC2 is improper and should be illegal.
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edit: that was rude probably
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On November 22 2014 13:29 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:24 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Outrage porn.
Feminist bullshit.
Freedom of speech.
Of course organizations can pick and choose who they want to deal with, but there's too much of this pussy Politically correct crap these days. Non issues. Do you know what 'feminist' means?
Lets not start discussing feminism please. Yes, if we are good people, we will support equality of genders, but just as how many people get annoyed when gay people talk about nothing but gay rights, equally so when there's a woman who talks about nothing but feminism, and often times it's brought to unreasonable levels, and makes people mad. Especially sometimes there is a disconnect between what's fair and not between the two individuals, and some people may feel like feminists are overstepping their boundaries.
TLDR: Lets just say feminism is good in theory, in execution some people get annoyed, and not go into these off tangent debates.
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On November 22 2014 13:27 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:22 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:20 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. Edit: Unless they have zero context. Of course it's not an actual rape threat. The point is that rape is a serious issue and not something that should be made light of in such a way. Just like you wouldn't say "I'm going to whip this black guy." And now we have come full circle. If rape is too serious of an issue to joke with, then isn't war too serious to make frivolous games about? Pretty sure the average gamer doesn't have to worry every day about suddenly being in a war, unless they actively chose to join the army or whatever.
...he said about SC2, which is primarily played by South Koreans, who have compulsory military service and live next to North Korea, a nation that keeps threatening to unleash its nuclear arsenal against other nations.
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Hmm, yeah, feminism is good in theory, but sometimes its bad, like if it pisses off a man cause he's not better than women anymore. Fucking agreed bro... bitches right? Heh heh
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this is total bullshit, making a drama from nothing.
keep Fighting Kas, everybody is with you
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On November 22 2014 13:29 Darkwhite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 13:25 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:16 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 13:14 ddayzy wrote:On November 22 2014 13:04 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:56 RuiBarbO wrote:On November 22 2014 12:49 Darkwhite wrote:On November 22 2014 12:46 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 12:31 Darkwhite wrote:
StarCraft is a game about having fun with simulated war. Marines, which dive in droves in essentially any game involving Terran, are culturally challenged individuals who had undergone neural resocialization via brain surgery, implants such as aggression inhibitors, and resocialization tanks. Counseling and drug therapy were also used to help overcome criminal and/or anti-social tendencies.
Incidentally, one of the key strategies in StarCraft is to bypass your opponents army and wipe out their noncombatant workers.
The tournament in question, Fragbite Masters, takes its name from video game slang for killing people in shooting games, which scores you points.
All of this is perfectly good and harmless fun. But an obvious, admittedly unfunny rape joke? Offensive and inexcusable. ...You're comparing video game violence to saying you're going to rape a woman. That's like saying "Well boxers punch each other all the time in fights, but I go up to one on the street and punch him in the face and suddenly it's a big deal?" I'm comparing rape-as-humor with violence-as-entertainment. Kas did not rape anybody. I doubt anybody could possibly read his tweet as a sincere rape threat. No one says rape is good, and yet it keeps happening. Kas may not have raped anyone, but his words still draw on a culture that involves intimidating women to make them passive and submissive. And they do so on very loud, clear terms. What he intended to say doesn't change what he actually wound up communicating. You mean like how shooting games draw on a culture which glorifies violence and murder? Why is it okay to name your tournament after shooting pretend-people for points? Isn't it terribly insensitive to all those who have lost family and friends to gun violence? Are you actually so ignorant that you cant tell the difference between games and real life? I can tell the difference between games and real life. I can even tell the difference between jokes and threats. PS: Fragbite Masters is the real name of a real tournament. At least you prove the ignorant part. Saying something is a joke does not give you a lissence to say all the stupid shit you want. Your logic was that if its ok to shoot people in games its ok to tell a girl you are gonna rape here in real life, which is a unbelivable stupid thing to say. If you are going to completely ignore the difference between an obvious joke and a credible threat, this isn't going to get anywhere. I'm not okay with threatening people with any sort of violence.
If it hurts the person its directed at whats the difference? Sexual harrasment is a part of life for most woman, that comment obviously hurt Maddelisk and yet you think its ok?
Ill ask again and you can pm me the answear if you dont want to write it publicly. Are you from Oslo? You see we are both norwegian, i live in Oslo and I know a lot of the SC2 people here and Im curious if you ate one of them. If you are I want to talk.
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Seriously who cares. Thought police abound in this day and age. How many of us watch movies with thoughts and images far worse.
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On November 22 2014 13:35 lopido wrote:
this is total bullshit, making a drama from nothing.
keep Fighting Kas, everybody is with you
Kas has said it was a stupid thing to say, hes embaressed and he apologiecd. If you are with him Im assuming this is what you also think.
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