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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
November 22 2014 00:55 GMT
#181
On November 22 2014 09:38 ZeromuS wrote:
If you think this is okay in any way you really don't understand.

Words mean things and yes they do offend people. If we want the scene to grow and we want women to participate they need to feel welcome. This kind of language just creates a harsh environment for women. Its one thing to use generic trash talk, but when you direct a term like rape to a woman its big nono.

Directing the term rape to anyone is terrible but we need to remember that rape specifically the word rape was originally a term that only applied to women being sexually assaulted by men, so the sensitivity is there. We need to keep these things in mind, its part of being reasonable adults.

I mean honestly, if you think this kind of stuff is okay, then I seriously question your maturity.

Its one thing to understand and forgive Kas for his mistake, but its another thing to try and justify the underlying message and acceptance of this kind of language - in general.

I don't think Kas meant to seriously threaten or insult Maddelisk, but the language is used by lots of people in lots of contexts and this is wrong. We should focus on changing the core of the issue instead of just flaming Kas.


im not saying its socially acceptable, im not saying kas shouldnt get banned from the tournament, hell im not even saying maddelisk and other people dont get offended by it.
i'm saying i'm dissappointed by peoples reactions to the tweet personally, especially maddelisk herself. im dissapointed in humanity in the end.

if i'm offended, in no matter what harsh way, i just deal with it. i don't reteweet it, tell the touranment organizers and make a blog about it. do you know why i would never do that? cuz im an adult with a working brain.

she knows the consequences very well, which one of it is threads like this with so many opinions based on their society mindfucked brains which frankly offend me.

this is where i question maddelisks maturity, and the maturity of so many other ppl - not mine.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
November 22 2014 00:57 GMT
#182
On November 22 2014 09:54 CamoPillbox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 09:40 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 22 2014 09:20 Kazahk wrote:
People need to understand the context in which he is speaking. Rape is literally a universal gaming term. I think people really need to chill the fuck out and stop making social issues out of every fucking thing.


It's also common to call someone a bitch in game. So I guess it'd also be totally fine for him to tweet "I'm going to beat this bitch."


Drama queen gets another victim and Swedish tourney get another Swedish player for free from group I guess i know who is bitch here . Kas is only Sad that he was stupid to give them something to use a excuse.... I dont see democracy here....
Free word u cant if u dont know there is still few nazi

LOL, do you have a job? go into your job and threaten to rape a female employee and then say it was a "joke" and we'll see how you think "free words" are supposed to work

how about free from intimidation? free from threats? threatening rape is a crime.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-22 01:05:49
November 22 2014 01:00 GMT
#183
On November 22 2014 09:52 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 09:20 Kazahk wrote:
People need to understand the context in which he is speaking. Rape is literally a universal gaming term. I think people really need to chill the fuck out and stop making social issues out of every fucking thing.

women are raped every day. women are threatened with rape every day. we have no way of knowing if maddelisk is a survivor of abuse or assault. it's a social issue because it's a social issue, not because people feel like getting offended. "literally a universal gaming term"? so what the fuck is your point? i've gamed online for years and people will say anything to trash talk you. the n word, talking about raping people's mothers, murdering their families, etc. just because people use offensive abusive language commonly how does that make it acceptable or cool?

people wonder why there are few women trying to compete in esports? yeah maybe the fact that it's largely a boys'club where if you don't want to be threatened with rape you should apparently either get over it or not play at all


yes, rape is an issue. to females more then to men, most likely yes.
yes, you shouldnt tweet something like that if you expect to play in that tournament.

should you rant like a little girl, unable to deal with it (especially in the context of KNOWING that kas is a really friendly guy who surely didnt mean it the bad way), and go all out on social media? to me, thats far more disgusting than kas tweet. at least i can release her from the list of ppl i respect. math phd doesnt help there


€: was about to answer yet another incredibly stupid comment, but its no use. most people seem to walk around the world blindly, completly dumbed by the society, media and generalized moral they were born into. pretty sad, but i guess i cant change the world. back to the starcraft ladder
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
November 22 2014 01:02 GMT
#184
On November 22 2014 09:55 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 09:38 ZeromuS wrote:
If you think this is okay in any way you really don't understand.

Words mean things and yes they do offend people. If we want the scene to grow and we want women to participate they need to feel welcome. This kind of language just creates a harsh environment for women. Its one thing to use generic trash talk, but when you direct a term like rape to a woman its big nono.

Directing the term rape to anyone is terrible but we need to remember that rape specifically the word rape was originally a term that only applied to women being sexually assaulted by men, so the sensitivity is there. We need to keep these things in mind, its part of being reasonable adults.

I mean honestly, if you think this kind of stuff is okay, then I seriously question your maturity.

Its one thing to understand and forgive Kas for his mistake, but its another thing to try and justify the underlying message and acceptance of this kind of language - in general.

I don't think Kas meant to seriously threaten or insult Maddelisk, but the language is used by lots of people in lots of contexts and this is wrong. We should focus on changing the core of the issue instead of just flaming Kas.


im not saying its socially acceptable, im not saying kas shouldnt get banned from the tournament, hell im not even saying maddelisk and other people dont get offended by it.
i'm saying i'm dissappointed by peoples reactions to the tweet personally, especially maddelisk herself. im dissapointed in humanity in the end.

if i'm offended, in no matter what harsh way, i just deal with it. i don't reteweet it, tell the touranment organizers and make a blog about it. do you know why i would never do that? cuz im an adult with a working brain.

she knows the consequences very well, which one of it is threads like this with so many opinions based on their society mindfucked brains which frankly offend me.

this is where i question maddelisks maturity, and the maturity of so many other ppl - not mine.

trying to separate being offended at a rape threat onlinefrom the actual tangible problem of a rape culture that marginalizes real world rape and humiliates real world rape victims is an absurd act of mental gymnastics. the point of being offended isn't winning political correctness points, it's too reinforce the message across all parts of culture, including esports, that rape is not a joke or a normal part of life, it's a hideous act of violence and abuse. saying no to kas' tweet is saying no to the sexual intimidation of women
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 22 2014 01:03 GMT
#185
can of worms opened

this thread going nowhere
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1451 Posts
November 22 2014 01:05 GMT
#186
This is really why i hate terms like "political correcteness, tolerance, etc". This was simple joke which was interpretated badly. I think western europe should ask themselves where this is going for, did that thing went to far. Baning Kas was nonsence since even the biggest IQ "coconut" could see that this was joke and not a threat. I really cant believe this happened. We all differ in some terms, is that humour or politeness but this blown me away.
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-22 01:05:44
November 22 2014 01:05 GMT
#187
^Nah, brickrd, you're taking his post too seriously, he was just trying to make sure that unaware people would know to remove the name DiaBoLuS from the list of people they have even a shred of respect f...oh wait a moment...
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CamoPillbox
Profile Joined April 2012
Czech Republic229 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-22 01:27:07
November 22 2014 01:09 GMT
#188
On November 22 2014 09:54 CamoPillbox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 09:40 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 22 2014 09:20 Kazahk wrote:
People need to understand the context in which he is speaking. Rape is literally a universal gaming term. I think people really need to chill the fuck out and stop making social issues out of every fucking thing.


It's also common to call someone a bitch in game. So I guess it'd also be totally fine for him to tweet "I'm going to beat this bitch."


Drama queen gets another victim and Swedish tourney get another Swedish player for free from group I guess i know who is bitch here . Kas is only Sad that he was stupid to give them something to use a excuse.... I dont see democracy here....
Free word u cant if u dont know there is still few nazi

LOL, do you have a job? go into your job and threaten to rape a female employee and then say it was a "joke" and we'll see how you think "free words" are supposed to work

how about free from intimidation? free from threats? threatening rape is a crime.[/QUOTE]

Rofcopter ye i have job and also i have question do you have brain or u totaly brainwashed typical american guy?

Real life threats and Threats on internet in game are totaly diferent especially if its clearly joke also not pointed by name.
I already got 172 cancers wishes and nearly 54 rapes in games.

Yet i am still healthy and my ass is babylike.

Im pretty sure that no one invite maddelisk anywhere now...especially if they dont want stupid drama and even stupides behind scenes Sweden players friendly walkovers.
We need to create DRAMA Queen tournament where everyone will watch twitter of opponets until they got walkover.Im sure We already know the winner !!!
-- removed --
Czech Terran(Hots) player
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-22 01:12:10
November 22 2014 01:10 GMT
#189
*edited so i wont get banned. dont want anyone to get offended*
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
November 22 2014 01:11 GMT
#190
On November 22 2014 10:02 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 09:55 KalWarkov wrote:
On November 22 2014 09:38 ZeromuS wrote:
If you think this is okay in any way you really don't understand.

Words mean things and yes they do offend people. If we want the scene to grow and we want women to participate they need to feel welcome. This kind of language just creates a harsh environment for women. Its one thing to use generic trash talk, but when you direct a term like rape to a woman its big nono.

Directing the term rape to anyone is terrible but we need to remember that rape specifically the word rape was originally a term that only applied to women being sexually assaulted by men, so the sensitivity is there. We need to keep these things in mind, its part of being reasonable adults.

I mean honestly, if you think this kind of stuff is okay, then I seriously question your maturity.

Its one thing to understand and forgive Kas for his mistake, but its another thing to try and justify the underlying message and acceptance of this kind of language - in general.

I don't think Kas meant to seriously threaten or insult Maddelisk, but the language is used by lots of people in lots of contexts and this is wrong. We should focus on changing the core of the issue instead of just flaming Kas.


im not saying its socially acceptable, im not saying kas shouldnt get banned from the tournament, hell im not even saying maddelisk and other people dont get offended by it.
i'm saying i'm dissappointed by peoples reactions to the tweet personally, especially maddelisk herself. im dissapointed in humanity in the end.

if i'm offended, in no matter what harsh way, i just deal with it. i don't reteweet it, tell the touranment organizers and make a blog about it. do you know why i would never do that? cuz im an adult with a working brain.

she knows the consequences very well, which one of it is threads like this with so many opinions based on their society mindfucked brains which frankly offend me.

this is where i question maddelisks maturity, and the maturity of so many other ppl - not mine.

trying to separate being offended at a rape threat onlinefrom the actual tangible problem of a rape culture that marginalizes real world rape and humiliates real world rape victims is an absurd act of mental gymnastics. the point of being offended isn't winning political correctness points, it's too reinforce the message across all parts of culture, including esports, that rape is not a joke or a normal part of life, it's a hideous act of violence and abuse. saying no to kas' tweet is saying no to the sexual intimidation of women


thanks for the first acutal argumentation from someone who thinks differently. wow, people acutally think, im impressed and relieved.
Yet i don't think it sets a point across all parts of esports that rape isnt a joke. saying no to kas tweet is saying "i get offended by tweets that are meant to be funny, but someone didnt understand you cant word what you tried to said like that". It's not saying "no" to rape, its saying "no" to ever use the word rape in context of "defeat" in the small world of e-sport when ur talking to a woman. which is debateable in itself.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
November 22 2014 01:12 GMT
#191
i wonder what the reaction would be if someone tweeted to kas "i'm going to destroy your base like the rebels bombed your homeland". wonder how many people would think that's a funny joke or tell him to get over it for being emotional in response?
TL+ Member
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8770 Posts
November 22 2014 01:12 GMT
#192
fact #1

Kas is a nice guy in general, I would not put him into the same category as a chauvinist pig or something.

fact #2

That tweet was stupid no matter how you look at it really.

fact #3
Fragbite was right to ban him. esports is not a playground of cave dwellers anymore, sponsors and organisations do care, so does and should society and people in general. nothing about politcal correctness or feminism.

fact #4

this thread has gone from mildly amusing to shit.

fawns over the new helipad's rave reviews.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
November 22 2014 01:12 GMT
#193
Can't believe people are defending this crap.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
November 22 2014 01:12 GMT
#194
id bet all my real life money that if a girl tweeted this to a guy. we'd all be having a jolly time laughing at it and nothing would come of it.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5655 Posts
November 22 2014 01:12 GMT
#195
On November 22 2014 10:05 JanDe wrote:
This is really why i hate terms like "political correcteness, tolerance, etc". This was simple joke which was interpretated badly. I think western europe should ask themselves where this is going for, did that thing went to far. Baning Kas was nonsence since even the biggest IQ "coconut" could see that this was joke and not a threat. I really cant believe this happened. We all differ in some terms, is that humour or politeness but this blown me away.

I didn't get the joke, could you explain?
don't wall off against random
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 22 2014 01:13 GMT
#196
On November 22 2014 10:12 brickrd wrote:
i wonder what the reaction would be if someone tweeted to kas "i'm going to destroy your base like the rebels bombed your homeland". wonder how many people would think that's a funny joke or tell him to get over it for being emotional in response?

Why is it up to other people to react in the way you see fit to something that doesn't affect them? Do you even know if Kas would be offended by that?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 22 2014 01:13 GMT
#197
I just hope this blows over for Kas now. it was dumb, but not out of malice or bigotry I don't think.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
November 22 2014 01:13 GMT
#198
Clearly unprofessional language being used in conjunction with a professional environment, DQ completely justified. This is literally supposed to be your job, if I post on social media that I'm going to rape my co-workers and hashtag it with my company name I would get fired on the spot.
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GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
November 22 2014 01:14 GMT
#199
On November 22 2014 10:12 brickrd wrote:
i wonder what the reaction would be if someone tweeted to kas "i'm going to destroy your base like the rebels bombed your homeland". wonder how many people would think that's a funny joke or tell him to get over it for being emotional in response?


it depends... does Kas have boobs ?
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46669 Posts
November 22 2014 01:15 GMT
#200
On November 22 2014 10:12 zev318 wrote:
id bet all my real life money that if a girl tweeted this to a guy. we'd all be having a jolly time laughing at it and nothing would come of it.


You mean if a professional female athlete posted "Going to rape some guy soon" on social media in front of millions of people, you don't think she would get into trouble?

That's not a smart bet for you to make.
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