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On November 22 2014 09:38 ZeromuS wrote:
If you think this is okay in any way you really don't understand.
Words mean things and yes they do offend people. If we want the scene to grow and we want women to participate they need to feel welcome. This kind of language just creates a harsh environment for women. Its one thing to use generic trash talk, but when you direct a term like rape to a woman its big nono.
Directing the term rape to anyone is terrible but we need to remember that rape specifically the word rape was originally a term that only applied to women being sexually assaulted by men, so the sensitivity is there. We need to keep these things in mind, its part of being reasonable adults.
I mean honestly, if you think this kind of stuff is okay, then I seriously question your maturity.
Its one thing to understand and forgive Kas for his mistake, but its another thing to try and justify the underlying message and acceptance of this kind of language - in general.
I don't think Kas meant to seriously threaten or insult Maddelisk, but the language is used by lots of people in lots of contexts and this is wrong. We should focus on changing the core of the issue instead of just flaming Kas.
im not saying its socially acceptable, im not saying kas shouldnt get banned from the tournament, hell im not even saying maddelisk and other people dont get offended by it.
i'm saying i'm dissappointed by peoples reactions to the tweet personally, especially maddelisk herself. im dissapointed in humanity in the end.
if i'm offended, in no matter what harsh way, i just deal with it. i don't reteweet it, tell the touranment organizers and make a blog about it. do you know why i would never do that? cuz im an adult with a working brain.
she knows the consequences very well, which one of it is threads like this with so many opinions based on their society mindfucked brains which frankly offend me.
this is where i question maddelisks maturity, and the maturity of so many other ppl - not mine.
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On November 22 2014 09:54 CamoPillbox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:40 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 09:20 Kazahk wrote:
People need to understand the context in which he is speaking. Rape is literally a universal gaming term. I think people really need to chill the fuck out and stop making social issues out of every fucking thing. It's also common to call someone a bitch in game. So I guess it'd also be totally fine for him to tweet "I'm going to beat this bitch." Drama queen gets another victim and Swedish tourney get another Swedish player for free from group I guess i know who is bitch  here . Kas is only Sad that he was stupid to give them something to use a excuse.... I dont see democracy here.... Free word u cant if u dont know there is still few nazi
LOL, do you have a job? go into your job and threaten to rape a female employee and then say it was a "joke" and we'll see how you think "free words" are supposed to work
how about free from intimidation? free from threats? threatening rape is a crime.
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On November 22 2014 09:52 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:20 Kazahk wrote:
People need to understand the context in which he is speaking. Rape is literally a universal gaming term. I think people really need to chill the fuck out and stop making social issues out of every fucking thing. women are raped every day. women are threatened with rape every day. we have no way of knowing if maddelisk is a survivor of abuse or assault. it's a social issue because it's a social issue, not because people feel like getting offended. "literally a universal gaming term"? so what the fuck is your point? i've gamed online for years and people will say anything to trash talk you. the n word, talking about raping people's mothers, murdering their families, etc. just because people use offensive abusive language commonly how does that make it acceptable or cool? people wonder why there are few women trying to compete in esports? yeah maybe the fact that it's largely a boys'club where if you don't want to be threatened with rape you should apparently either get over it or not play at all
yes, rape is an issue. to females more then to men, most likely yes.
yes, you shouldnt tweet something like that if you expect to play in that tournament.
should you rant like a little girl, unable to deal with it (especially in the context of KNOWING that kas is a really friendly guy who surely didnt mean it the bad way), and go all out on social media? to me, thats far more disgusting than kas tweet. at least i can release her from the list of ppl i respect. math phd doesnt help there 
€: was about to answer yet another incredibly stupid comment, but its no use. most people seem to walk around the world blindly, completly dumbed by the society, media and generalized moral they were born into. pretty sad, but i guess i cant change the world. back to the starcraft ladder 
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On November 22 2014 09:55 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:38 ZeromuS wrote:
If you think this is okay in any way you really don't understand.
Words mean things and yes they do offend people. If we want the scene to grow and we want women to participate they need to feel welcome. This kind of language just creates a harsh environment for women. Its one thing to use generic trash talk, but when you direct a term like rape to a woman its big nono.
Directing the term rape to anyone is terrible but we need to remember that rape specifically the word rape was originally a term that only applied to women being sexually assaulted by men, so the sensitivity is there. We need to keep these things in mind, its part of being reasonable adults.
I mean honestly, if you think this kind of stuff is okay, then I seriously question your maturity.
Its one thing to understand and forgive Kas for his mistake, but its another thing to try and justify the underlying message and acceptance of this kind of language - in general.
I don't think Kas meant to seriously threaten or insult Maddelisk, but the language is used by lots of people in lots of contexts and this is wrong. We should focus on changing the core of the issue instead of just flaming Kas. im not saying its socially acceptable, im not saying kas shouldnt get banned from the tournament, hell im not even saying maddelisk and other people dont get offended by it. i'm saying i'm dissappointed by peoples reactions to the tweet personally, especially maddelisk herself. im dissapointed in humanity in the end. if i'm offended, in no matter what harsh way, i just deal with it. i don't reteweet it, tell the touranment organizers and make a blog about it. do you know why i would never do that? cuz im an adult with a working brain. she knows the consequences very well, which one of it is threads like this with so many opinions based on their society mindfucked brains which frankly offend me. this is where i question maddelisks maturity, and the maturity of so many other ppl - not mine.
trying to separate being offended at a rape threat onlinefrom the actual tangible problem of a rape culture that marginalizes real world rape and humiliates real world rape victims is an absurd act of mental gymnastics. the point of being offended isn't winning political correctness points, it's too reinforce the message across all parts of culture, including esports, that rape is not a joke or a normal part of life, it's a hideous act of violence and abuse. saying no to kas' tweet is saying no to the sexual intimidation of women
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this thread going nowhere
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This is really why i hate terms like "political correcteness, tolerance, etc". This was simple joke which was interpretated badly. I think western europe should ask themselves where this is going for, did that thing went to far. Baning Kas was nonsence since even the biggest IQ "coconut" could see that this was joke and not a threat. I really cant believe this happened. We all differ in some terms, is that humour or politeness but this blown me away.
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^Nah, brickrd, you're taking his post too seriously, he was just trying to make sure that unaware people would know to remove the name DiaBoLuS from the list of people they have even a shred of respect f...oh wait a moment...
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On November 22 2014 09:54 CamoPillbox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:40 GolemMadness wrote:On November 22 2014 09:20 Kazahk wrote:
People need to understand the context in which he is speaking. Rape is literally a universal gaming term. I think people really need to chill the fuck out and stop making social issues out of every fucking thing. It's also common to call someone a bitch in game. So I guess it'd also be totally fine for him to tweet "I'm going to beat this bitch." Drama queen gets another victim and Swedish tourney get another Swedish player for free from group I guess i know who is bitch here . Kas is only Sad that he was stupid to give them something to use a excuse.... I dont see democracy here.... Free word u cant if u dont know there is still few nazi
LOL, do you have a job? go into your job and threaten to rape a female employee and then say it was a "joke" and we'll see how you think "free words" are supposed to work
how about free from intimidation? free from threats? threatening rape is a crime.[/QUOTE]
Rofcopter ye i have job and also i have question do you have brain or u totaly brainwashed typical american guy?
Real life threats and Threats on internet in game are totaly diferent especially if its clearly joke also not pointed by name.
I already got 172 cancers wishes and nearly 54 rapes in games.
Yet i am still healthy and my ass is babylike.
Im pretty sure that no one invite maddelisk anywhere now...especially if they dont want stupid drama and even stupides behind scenes Sweden players friendly walkovers.
We need to create DRAMA Queen tournament where everyone will watch twitter of opponets until they got walkover.Im sure We already know the winner !!!
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*edited so i wont get banned. dont want anyone to get offended*
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On November 22 2014 10:02 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 09:55 KalWarkov wrote:On November 22 2014 09:38 ZeromuS wrote:
If you think this is okay in any way you really don't understand.
Words mean things and yes they do offend people. If we want the scene to grow and we want women to participate they need to feel welcome. This kind of language just creates a harsh environment for women. Its one thing to use generic trash talk, but when you direct a term like rape to a woman its big nono.
Directing the term rape to anyone is terrible but we need to remember that rape specifically the word rape was originally a term that only applied to women being sexually assaulted by men, so the sensitivity is there. We need to keep these things in mind, its part of being reasonable adults.
I mean honestly, if you think this kind of stuff is okay, then I seriously question your maturity.
Its one thing to understand and forgive Kas for his mistake, but its another thing to try and justify the underlying message and acceptance of this kind of language - in general.
I don't think Kas meant to seriously threaten or insult Maddelisk, but the language is used by lots of people in lots of contexts and this is wrong. We should focus on changing the core of the issue instead of just flaming Kas. im not saying its socially acceptable, im not saying kas shouldnt get banned from the tournament, hell im not even saying maddelisk and other people dont get offended by it. i'm saying i'm dissappointed by peoples reactions to the tweet personally, especially maddelisk herself. im dissapointed in humanity in the end. if i'm offended, in no matter what harsh way, i just deal with it. i don't reteweet it, tell the touranment organizers and make a blog about it. do you know why i would never do that? cuz im an adult with a working brain. she knows the consequences very well, which one of it is threads like this with so many opinions based on their society mindfucked brains which frankly offend me. this is where i question maddelisks maturity, and the maturity of so many other ppl - not mine. trying to separate being offended at a rape threat onlinefrom the actual tangible problem of a rape culture that marginalizes real world rape and humiliates real world rape victims is an absurd act of mental gymnastics. the point of being offended isn't winning political correctness points, it's too reinforce the message across all parts of culture, including esports, that rape is not a joke or a normal part of life, it's a hideous act of violence and abuse. saying no to kas' tweet is saying no to the sexual intimidation of women
thanks for the first acutal argumentation from someone who thinks differently. wow, people acutally think, im impressed and relieved.
Yet i don't think it sets a point across all parts of esports that rape isnt a joke. saying no to kas tweet is saying "i get offended by tweets that are meant to be funny, but someone didnt understand you cant word what you tried to said like that". It's not saying "no" to rape, its saying "no" to ever use the word rape in context of "defeat" in the small world of e-sport when ur talking to a woman. which is debateable in itself.
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i wonder what the reaction would be if someone tweeted to kas "i'm going to destroy your base like the rebels bombed your homeland". wonder how many people would think that's a funny joke or tell him to get over it for being emotional in response?
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fact #1
Kas is a nice guy in general, I would not put him into the same category as a chauvinist pig or something.
fact #2
That tweet was stupid no matter how you look at it really.
fact #3
Fragbite was right to ban him. esports is not a playground of cave dwellers anymore, sponsors and organisations do care, so does and should society and people in general. nothing about politcal correctness or feminism.
fact #4
this thread has gone from mildly amusing to shit.
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Can't believe people are defending this crap.
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id bet all my real life money that if a girl tweeted this to a guy. we'd all be having a jolly time laughing at it and nothing would come of it.
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On November 22 2014 10:05 JanDe wrote:
This is really why i hate terms like "political correcteness, tolerance, etc". This was simple joke which was interpretated badly. I think western europe should ask themselves where this is going for, did that thing went to far. Baning Kas was nonsence since even the biggest IQ "coconut" could see that this was joke and not a threat. I really cant believe this happened. We all differ in some terms, is that humour or politeness but this blown me away.
I didn't get the joke, could you explain?
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On November 22 2014 10:12 brickrd wrote:
i wonder what the reaction would be if someone tweeted to kas "i'm going to destroy your base like the rebels bombed your homeland". wonder how many people would think that's a funny joke or tell him to get over it for being emotional in response?
Why is it up to other people to react in the way you see fit to something that doesn't affect them? Do you even know if Kas would be offended by that?
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I just hope this blows over for Kas now. it was dumb, but not out of malice or bigotry I don't think.
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Clearly unprofessional language being used in conjunction with a professional environment, DQ completely justified. This is literally supposed to be your job, if I post on social media that I'm going to rape my co-workers and hashtag it with my company name I would get fired on the spot.
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On November 22 2014 10:12 brickrd wrote:
i wonder what the reaction would be if someone tweeted to kas "i'm going to destroy your base like the rebels bombed your homeland". wonder how many people would think that's a funny joke or tell him to get over it for being emotional in response?
it depends... does Kas have boobs ?
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On November 22 2014 10:12 zev318 wrote:
id bet all my real life money that if a girl tweeted this to a guy. we'd all be having a jolly time laughing at it and nothing would come of it.
You mean if a professional female athlete posted "Going to rape some guy soon" on social media in front of millions of people, you don't think she would get into trouble?
That's not a smart bet for you to make.
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