EPT"Destiny I" Financial Report - Page 5
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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LeviathanDK
Denmark87 Posts
It was a shame that your tournament didn't feel as a proper tournament due to casters and imo the language during the casting was too laidback and some of the language was in my mind too rude towards some players, or they were being made fun of due to their skills or choices. I hope this will change for a future Destiny II tournament, because I like that there are more tournaments like this out there. | ||
HaN-
France1920 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:43 Destiny wrote:There are still some people who in the world who believe reading with a black background is hard on the eyes. ._. Every graphic designer will tell you that light text on dark background is harder to read. You should go for dark grey instead of pure black on ur chat background. http://trevellyan.biz/graphic-design-discussion-how-color-and-contrast-affect-readability-2/ http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/08/the-dos-and-donts-of-dark-web-design/ | ||
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Mojito99
Germany154 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:53 Grumbels wrote: I honestly don't see that what Kespa did was bad in any way at all. You were inexperienced your first tournament, next tournament will be during proleague downtime and you can point to the success of this one and then they will come. I think for an organization like Kespa to be a bit careful is a good thing, you're more dependent on them than the other way around after all. Furthermore, why try to punish players involved with Kespa by denying them? Skipping the first tournament is a reasonable choice by them: Kespa is a brand that gains very little from their players winning money but has a lot to loose if the tournament was a scam - which you have now proven wrong. This may seem very strange initially but Kespa provides services to the plays in return for essentially owning their playing privileges. One of those services is the screening of potential offers of tournament organizers for their players. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18412 Posts
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:55 Crot4le wrote: I think if you're being funded by community in choosing crowdfunding then your 'take home' pay should merely paying your expenses and organisational and casting fee. After you have compensated yourself for the time, I think all profit should then be put towards the next tournament since it's on the back of donations that you have made that profit. But that's just how I feel. This is pretty ridiculous. EVERY tournament is funded by community. It just depends what payment model you choose. It can be sponsors (sponsors then expect increase in sales, they don't just look at "likes" and "tweets"), it can be kickstarter/indiegogo donations/perks model, or it can be completely behind a pay wall. There is nothing wrong in building brand and earning money of a tournament. If Destiny continues to use indiegogo I feel completely fine with 10-20$ donations because that's standard price for any kind of pay2watch. For bigger donations perks should be a must. imho it should be <20$ donations and then >200$ valuable perks. Personally, I donated 10$, and will donate again because to me it's worth it. If Destiny earns money from it, good for him. As for KESPA, I don't think it can even be a discussion nowadays. I understand emotional side of things, but as things currently stand, it's like 35/50 best players out there are KESPA players. Taking some of them is just a win-win situation, especially if you get to 3rd tournament and figure out you can invite only players that already played instead of some kespa player that started owning in KR but hasn't been seen outside KR. That can become quite a good storyline. By punishing KESPA incompetence you would just be punishing your own tournament so in the end it's not really rational thing to do. People are talking now how kespa should be excluded etc, but wait 3-4 months and viewership for Destiny III will drop significantly because there won't be any novelty in it. Add Flash/Maru/Parting and some newcomer and boom, suddenly everyone watches again. | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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IAmHaunteR
United States36 Posts
On August 11 2014 23:53 Grumbels wrote: I honestly don't see that what Kespa did was bad in any way at all. You were inexperienced your first tournament, next tournament will be during proleague downtime and you can point to the success of this one and then they will come. I think for an organization like Kespa to be a bit careful is a good thing, you're more dependent on them than the other way around after all. Furthermore, why try to punish players involved with Kespa by denying them? Punish? Kespa has to allow them to play in it... | ||
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GrimwulfSC2
Canada43 Posts
On August 12 2014 00:07 effecto wrote: Transparency is a good way to gain more visibility, good job! +1 for the pun man. Otherwise though I would throw my hat in the ring with the pro KESPA side, the benefit of working with them out weighs any negatives. You have proven yourself as a tournament organizer and if in the future they decide to not join with Destiny II, it will be their loss. For the record too, I'm not a KESPA fanboy, but I do support putting the best foreign talent up against some Korean powerhouses. | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
 . Some that didn't donate this time will next time, some that did will not. I am sure you can go for 5k or 6k, but don't go to 10k, especially without sponsors imo. Then you would need at least 12k to pay the casters, staff and get some money yourself. We don't need that much money for an online competition, especially if you want to have several per year. | ||
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decemberscalm
United States1353 Posts
On August 12 2014 00:26 HaN- wrote: Every graphic designer will tell you that light text on dark background is harder to read. You should go for dark grey instead of pure black on ur chat background. http://trevellyan.biz/graphic-design-discussion-how-color-and-contrast-affect-readability-2/ http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/08/the-dos-and-donts-of-dark-web-design/ Or just put a button on the chat to change to toggle a white background theme if its such a deal for so many people who might have otherwise be interested. | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On August 12 2014 00:06 -Kaiser- wrote: He raised funding, organized, promoted, and ran the tournament. $300 a day (if he worked 6 days office hours, which is obviously not the case) for that much responsibility in any entertainment/media field is nothing. Maybe you should have picked a better major. I don't really think this is a fair comparison. If you go down the crowdfunding route you are essential getting charity. There are many people who do work for charities especially media work, who if they did the same work commerically could expect huge pay for it, but they don't because they are doing charity work. If he was organising a Dreamhack or going down the sponsor avenue then fair play if you can make a profit off your own back then knock yourself out well-played. But if you go down the donations from the community route then you should be compensated somewhat for your time but after that But as I said that's just how I feel. And I believe this his how it has been for people like BaseTradeTV (who I think sometimes actually make a loss even!), feardragon64, Wardii, and the OlimoLeague who have all reached out to the community for support. | ||
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Siphyo
Netherlands121 Posts
On August 12 2014 00:03 Jimmeh wrote: Agreed with this 100%. $1800 for 6 days work (and however long it took him to invite a 8 players and contact the 8 ladder qualifiers) seems a bit of a joke. I don't really agree with the amount of money you get from your government for sitting at your computer all day long criticizing people who actually put in some effort either, but that's life, isn't it? On topic: amazing job Destiny, keep it up. And never forget to be and stay yourself! | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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trias_e
United States520 Posts
A) This was one of the first crowdfunded tournaments. I certainly wouldn't expect to see more funds for the next one...and I'd honestly expect about 25% less. Not because this was bad, but just because you won't have the novelty effect on your side. B) Focus on sponsors more. For someone that couldn't watch much of the stream due to being busy at work, I could only really recognize one sponser during games (jorg). I think that all of your sponsors should be clearly understood in game. If not via logo, then via text. Why not a ticker tape bar, like in which we see tweets in in other tournaments? | ||
RaGe
Belgium9947 Posts
On August 12 2014 00:06 Squat wrote: You are gravely underestimating the amoun of work that goes into something like this. You can have opinion on whether his salary was justified and that's fine, but uou are completely off the mark with your comments on the amount of time and energy you have to put into something like this. Destiny is being transparent to allow for this type of discussion, so I don't think its too unreasonable. If he thinks 1800 dollars is justified considering the amount of work he put in, I'm sure he'll allow other people to work as a contractor and organize the tournament for him for $1000, right? I don't think we should discourage discussion about this. I'm personally not gonna argue about what amount I think is deserved since I think that right is reserved to the sponsors and fans that helped fund this project (I did not contribute). Since he's gonna put together a second tournament, I'm sure all the "investors" will pitch in what they want to happen with their next batch of cash. Gotta applaud the total transparency though. This is how every crowdfunding project should be documented. | ||
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F1nal
Germany216 Posts
Everyone want to see them play ? I can understand they didnt wanted to send anyone to the first tournament.  | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
I have read the email you received and to be honest, I don't see anything wrong with that. You always need to remember what Kespa is made of - it is made of the corporate sponsors. And even though your event is abroad, they cannot be a part of something that may potentially damage their image and/or their brand. And having no history of organising serious tournaments (quite the opposite really, looking at you 2011/2012), I just don't see what's wrong with them not taking risks. Because in the end, they were completely correct - you benefit much more from their players, then they benefit from you having their players. Of course, since you have now proved that you can actually organize tournaments, I believe they will be more inclined to allow their players to participate in your tournament. Hell, if that happens you can even use it as a great advertisement - 'One of the only tournaments where you can see how foreign heroes will fare against Kespa progamers' (spoiler: not very well). Boom, viewers++; In any case, I liked what I saw from Destiny I (the graphics were perfect, imo) and I look forward to more from you (this time hopefully with Kespa players included!) | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On August 12 2014 00:30 Crot4le wrote: I don't really think this is a fair comparison. If you go down the crowdfunding route you are essential getting charity You're not getting charity. I paid money for this because I want to pay 10$ to see a tournament. I'm better off with a tournament than with a 10$ in my pocket. Nothing charitable in it, and people need to stop thinking about things in that way. Stop giving charity and start paying for products that you use. | ||
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