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On August 12 2014 00:10 InFluenza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:53 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
How much money did you make from twitch streaming the tournament? Just curious =D Although ad income from twitch are very low, I think he should've gotten a few hundred dollars. I know someone who streams regularly with 500 viewers, and he gets around 70-120 dollars each month. Destiny streamed with a lot of viewers for quite long periods so that's my estimate... Also, I think it goes against twitch regulations to tell your twitch-ad income.
He did not run a single ad during the tournament, as this was a crowdfunded project  .
Edit: Instead he organised really nice music!
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Just out of curiosity and i hope you don't mind me asking, but did the co-caster(s) earn something for their work? Sadly, i wasn't able to watch any of the tournament, but reading through the post, I assume Incontrol was one of the co-casters atleast?
Regardless, i do like the transparency and want to wish you good luck for the next tournament!
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Thanks for organizing the tournament, Destiny. It was a big success.
You should definitely invite Kespa next tournament and continue to work on your relation with them. Their role is to protect the interests of the teams and players, but sometimes they overdo things (you know, like giving penalties for mistyping "GG" or "pppp"). Give them some time to get used to your style .
Cheers!
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Also I feel the $1800 you profited is justified.
whoops meant to edit!
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I really hope you include Kespa so that it makes people like Polt and Violet play on the NA ladder for the next tournament
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On August 11 2014 23:53 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
How much money did you make from twitch streaming the tournament? Just curious =D
Considering he didn't run a single ad, I'm guessing zero.
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On August 12 2014 00:15 Grettin wrote:
Just out of curiosity and i hope you don't mind me asking, but did the co-caster(s) earn something for their work? Sadly, i wasn't able to watch any of the tournament, reading through the post, I assume Incontrol was one of the co-casters atleast?
Regardless, i do like the transparency and want to wish you good luck for the next tournament!
Yeah they each got $100
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On August 12 2014 00:10 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:43 Destiny wrote:KeSPAI was pretty disappointed with my interactions with KeSPA. Having their players for my tournament would have been a large bolster for viewership and support. It also could have lead to some potentially amazing games for me to cast as well. I'm trying to be very careful here in how I proceed with this because "2014 Destiny" is a Destiny who tries to maintain good relationships with every section of the community. If this was "2011/2012 Destiny", though, I would be absolutely roasting KeSPA for my interactions with them for this tournament. Curtesy of Chuddinater, my KeSPA contact This first tournament that I did had a decent amount of risk associated with it. I heavily integrated everything into my own brand, so if the tournament itself was a disaster it would reflect very poorly on me and I would have no one to shift the blame onto. I also crowd funded a majority of the event finances, so squandering the community's money would mean I'd have a hard time raising money for a second time and I'd also damage my reputation significantly in the community. For KeSPA to deny their players the ability to enter into an online tournament where they could potentially win money seems...strange, to me. I understand I have something to benefit here from using KeSPA players, but it's not like KeSPA was taking on any risk by having their players play in my event. If anything, it's just denying their players the ability to earn some extra money, something every gamer at a high level would like the opportunity to do. I also don't like that KeSPA expected me to take on 100% of the risk for the first tournament and then contact them later for a second of third one. If I take on all of the risk in producing and hosting the first tournament, without any help whatsoever from them, why would I let them into the next one...? It might come off as petty to some, but it seems a bit arrogant to tell someone you'll hop on board a project after they've laid out the entire framework themselves. I still have a lot of thinking to do on whether or not I'd want to bring KeSPA players into my next event. . I think you were being incredibly naive to think that you could get KeSPA on board for your first event, with no proven track record, particularly on the weekend of the Proleague finals. KeSPA is a massive and powerful organisation which looks out for its players. You gotta prove yourself first before you can work with them. Do you really think TotalBiscuit would have been able to get players for SHOUTcraft Invitation #5 if it weren't for his experience and proven ability to successfully organise and cast online tournaments and the SHOUTcraft Clan Wars? To be honest, Destiny. I think you nailed Destiny I. I think you did a fantastic job and I really enjoyed the tournament and the format. I also think you responded well to the stress of the situation brought by that asswipe posing as casters. So going forward I think you have proven yourself to some extent. Maybe not enough to fully convince KeSPA yet but who knows? KeSPA's original reaction doesn't surprise me at all and I sincerely hope that your pride doesn't get in the way of you building positive and constructive links with KeSPA. I think if you continue what your doing then you could get KeSPA on board and that will only benefit your tournament, your brand and the community. Players like Zest, Flash, Maru, soO and Soulkey would do fucking amazingly for your tournament. Imagine if it was the Destiny II or Destiny III that we got to finally see Flash vs Jaedong for the first time in fucking ages? The hype would be through the roof. Please Destiny, build bridges with KeSPA because I think it will be the benefit of all parties if you managed to get them on side. Just to let you know that although I usually participate in crowdfunding projects, I didn't partake in the crowdfunding for Destiny I because I was uncertain how it was to pan out. I will certainly be contributing to Destiny II however.
Agreed 100%
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On August 12 2014 00:15 Grettin wrote:
Just out of curiosity and i hope you don't mind me asking, but did the co-caster(s) earn something for their work? Sadly, i wasn't able to watch any of the tournament, reading through the post, I assume Incontrol was one of the co-casters atleast?
Regardless, i do like the transparency and want to wish you good luck for the next tournament!
He outlined before the tournament how every cent of the $5000 would be spent. $4000 was prize money, every caster got $100 for a day of casting, he also paid the admin and somebody who made the tournament site and overlay afaik.
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I think you did great for this tournament Destiny, great work and I look forward to Destiny II.
Maybe to stop the whiners complaining about you taking that $1800 sponsor money however, and in the interest of clarity you could explain how much time this whole thing took to put together and run etc?
Personally I think you earned every penny and not only was the tournament good to watch, but was entertaining with the banter of you and the other casters too. Again, great work man.
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On August 12 2014 00:18 tomastaz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:15 Grettin wrote:
Just out of curiosity and i hope you don't mind me asking, but did the co-caster(s) earn something for their work? Sadly, i wasn't able to watch any of the tournament, reading through the post, I assume Incontrol was one of the co-casters atleast?
Regardless, i do like the transparency and want to wish you good luck for the next tournament! Yeah they each got $100
On August 12 2014 00:19 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 00:15 Grettin wrote:
Just out of curiosity and i hope you don't mind me asking, but did the co-caster(s) earn something for their work? Sadly, i wasn't able to watch any of the tournament, reading through the post, I assume Incontrol was one of the co-casters atleast?
Regardless, i do like the transparency and want to wish you good luck for the next tournament! He outlined before the tournament how every cent of the $5000 would be spent. $4000 was prize money, every caster got $100 for a day of casting, he also paid the admin and somebody who made the tournament site and overlay afaik.
Oh okay. I completely missed that part. Thats what i wanted to hear. Thanks!
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On August 12 2014 00:10 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:43 Destiny wrote:KeSPAI was pretty disappointed with my interactions with KeSPA. Having their players for my tournament would have been a large bolster for viewership and support. It also could have lead to some potentially amazing games for me to cast as well. I'm trying to be very careful here in how I proceed with this because "2014 Destiny" is a Destiny who tries to maintain good relationships with every section of the community. If this was "2011/2012 Destiny", though, I would be absolutely roasting KeSPA for my interactions with them for this tournament. Curtesy of Chuddinater, my KeSPA contact This first tournament that I did had a decent amount of risk associated with it. I heavily integrated everything into my own brand, so if the tournament itself was a disaster it would reflect very poorly on me and I would have no one to shift the blame onto. I also crowd funded a majority of the event finances, so squandering the community's money would mean I'd have a hard time raising money for a second time and I'd also damage my reputation significantly in the community. For KeSPA to deny their players the ability to enter into an online tournament where they could potentially win money seems...strange, to me. I understand I have something to benefit here from using KeSPA players, but it's not like KeSPA was taking on any risk by having their players play in my event. If anything, it's just denying their players the ability to earn some extra money, something every gamer at a high level would like the opportunity to do. I also don't like that KeSPA expected me to take on 100% of the risk for the first tournament and then contact them later for a second of third one. If I take on all of the risk in producing and hosting the first tournament, without any help whatsoever from them, why would I let them into the next one...? It might come off as petty to some, but it seems a bit arrogant to tell someone you'll hop on board a project after they've laid out the entire framework themselves. I still have a lot of thinking to do on whether or not I'd want to bring KeSPA players into my next event. . I think you were being incredibly naive to think that you could get KeSPA on board for your first event, with no proven track record, particularly on the weekend of the Proleague finals. KeSPA is a massive and powerful organisation which looks out for its players. You gotta prove yourself first before you can work with them. Do you really think TotalBiscuit would have been able to get players for SHOUTcraft Invitation #5 if it weren't for his experience and proven ability to successfully organise and cast online tournaments and the SHOUTcraft Clan Wars? To be honest, Destiny. I think you nailed Destiny I. I think you did a fantastic job and I really enjoyed the tournament and the format. I also think you responded well to the stress of the situation brought by that asswipe posing as casters. So going forward I think you have proven yourself to some extent. Maybe not enough to fully convince KeSPA yet but who knows? KeSPA's original reaction doesn't surprise me at all and I sincerely hope that your pride doesn't get in the way of you building positive and constructive links with KeSPA. I think if you continue what your doing then you could get KeSPA on board and that will only benefit your tournament, your brand and the community. Players like Zest, Flash, Maru, soO and Soulkey would do fucking amazingly for your tournament. Imagine if it was the Destiny II or Destiny III that we got to finally see Flash vs Jaedong for the first time in fucking ages? The hype would be through the roof. Please Destiny, build bridges with KeSPA because I think it will be the benefit of all parties if you managed to get them on side. Just to let you know that although I usually participate in crowdfunding projects, I didn't partake in the crowdfunding for Destiny I because I was uncertain how it was to pan out. I will certainly be contributing to Destiny II however.
Great post Crot4le! I hope Destiny tries to be on good terms with KeSPA .
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2014 Destiny is great
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I don't understand getting sponsors when the only goal for getting them was Destiny's paycheck.
really you don't understand people like to earn money pay their bills buy food clothes etc this concept is outside of your ability to understand things??
Think about it this way if he wasn't getting paid for the hell of alot of work he did and the entertainment he brought to us, what would be his motivation to actually run a tournament, he probably spent weeks worth of his personal time setting all this up, then on top of that 5 days straight of casting, I think he deserves anything he can make, he did a great job.
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On August 12 2014 00:03 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:55 Crot4le wrote:
I think if you're being funded by community in choosing crowdfunding then your 'take home' pay should merely paying your expenses and organisational and casting fee. After you have compensated yourself for the time, I think all profit should then be put towards the next tournament since it's on the back of donations that you have made that profit.
But that's just how I feel. Agreed with this 100%. $1800 for 6 days work (and however long it took him to invite a 8 players and contact the 8 ladder qualifiers) seems a bit of a joke.
Hilarious that you believe that is all he did...
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Fine work on the tournament, Mr. Bonnell, it was fantastic. I am glad people like you uphold transparency and honesty through goals and objectives created for this tournament and future ones.
I wish you luck with Destiny II and hope it is even more successful than this one was.
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Behind only GOMexp, this was nothing short of my favorite SC2 event in a year. Super well done event.
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I think you should just run some ads, destiny, and collect the ads money as a salary for organizing the event. Not sure how much that will be though, if you run, say one ad after every set (and 2 ads per bo5). That few ads certainly won't disturb the viewing experience much.
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It was a great tournament, for sure. Good job all around.
I do not understand however why there were no commercials during breaks. It seems to me like that ad revenue is a piece of pie that was denied to everyone. It just irks me because it's so inefficient. I know twitch doesn't pay all that well, but to not use the 20 k heads for the finals to either partly fund the next tournament or your salary is just kind of silly in my opinion. Let the adblockers listen to the beautiful music, and let the rest of us "crowd fund" with that revenue next time is my recommendation.
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