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riceant
Canada54 Posts
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On December 13 2013 23:47 Hider wrote: I guess in the end it just came down to him not enjoying playing protoss. I can relate to that as I find playing protoss to be the biggest waste time. Either you all in or you turtle with a deathball - both feels like a waste of time. Maybe he dont enjoy play starcraft with races he is not good . like i tried recently pickup broodwar and war3 but i suck so much i gave up after a few games . sjow is a legend for doing this 13 days . is rly hard knowing ur rly good then starting again from the bottom. | ||
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
On December 13 2013 21:16 ETisME wrote: lol switched because P too imba in PvT, switched back because PvP is too frustrating That's not strange at all, expected this because me and a friend of mine went through the exact same thing. We're top masters and switched to Protoss for a while because being Terran is just too depressing. Both our PvT winrates were ridiculously high, beating players much stronger than our own Terran. PvZ was harder than I thought, but it can be interesting so that's fine. However, playing the retardfest that is PvP all day can just break a person. The numbers were around 90 PvP's out of 190 games and although my winrate was even positive, that matchup just kills your entire joy in life. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On December 14 2013 00:05 mechengineer123 wrote: That's not strange at all, expected this because me and a friend of mine went through the exact same thing. We're top masters and switched to Protoss for a while because being Terran is just too depressing. Both our PvT winrates were ridiculously high, beating players much stronger than our own Terran. PvZ was harder than I thought, but it can be interesting so that's fine. However, playing the retardfest that is PvP all day can just break a person. The numbers were around 90 PvP's out of 190 games and although my winrate was even positive, that matchup just kills your entire joy in life. That's typical of any race switch. When I tried random for a while, my ZvP was insanely better then my other two matchups, same with my TvP. It's all to do with your extensive knowledge of your own race and how to abuse the weaknesses you've become much too familiar with when playing it. Nothing to do with imba (although I don't think you implied that, but Sjow did) | ||
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On December 13 2013 23:55 Faust852 wrote: Look at him playing, he almost never uses these controls, except as I said, spamming them early. Innovation. Honestly I also use them alot. I think it makes life easier. Also its not even true Demuslim doesn't use it. He use it for scv's transfer alot to optimize saturation. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On December 13 2013 21:23 Fliparoni wrote: If you'd bothered to truly read his post you'd know that it was mostly because of the PvP matchup that he's ending his Protoss experiment. His opinions on the other matchups remain unchanged. jaeh but if he thinks pvp is bad, as higher he would have gotten, pvz would have became rly "fun" | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 14 2013 00:11 Hider wrote: Innovation. Honestly I also use them alot. I think it makes life easier. I don't know why anyone could claim otherwise. Maphotkeys are the dopest. Being able to move the map without going to the minimap is always great. | ||
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
On December 14 2013 00:05 mechengineer123 wrote: That's not strange at all, expected this because me and a friend of mine went through the exact same thing. We're top masters and switched to Protoss for a while because being Terran is just too depressing. Both our PvT winrates were ridiculously high, beating players much stronger than our own Terran. PvZ was harder than I thought, but it can be interesting so that's fine. However, playing the retardfest that is PvP all day can just break a person. The numbers were around 90 PvP's out of 190 games and although my winrate was even positive, that matchup just kills your entire joy in life. Ah yes, Protoss has reach an over-saturation point where the hesitant factor to switch is dealing with PvPs. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 14 2013 00:14 Plansix wrote: I don't know why anyone could claim otherwise. Maphotkeys are the dopest. Being able to move the map without going to the minimap is always great. It's not like it will prevent you to get into gm. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
Most of the time I hear about toss imbalance from terran players on ladder, usually their worst matchup by far is t vs t.... Someone with 25% in t vs t and 64% in t vs p was telling me how easy p vs t is and toss in general. My question is, what would their sentiment be if their t vs p was at 25%? It's just embarrassing to me how many players can be horrible at a mirror mu, yet blame any short comings in another mu on imbalances, lol. Terran players... | ||
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Razbu
Croatia10 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 14 2013 00:17 playa wrote: I don't get the p vs p hate, unless hating on cannon rushers... You can make same units as other guy. You have a nexus cannon that basically means you can get to the mid game and outplay your opponent. I see some builds working better against others, but if you can't adjust to outplay someone, then the problem is your build, not the mu. Most of the time I hear about toss imbalance from terran players on ladder, usually their worst matchup by far is t vs t.... Someone with 25% in t vs t and 64% in t vs p was telling me how easy p vs t is and toss in general. My question is, what would their sentiment be if their t vs p was at 25%? It's just embarrassing to me how many players can be horrible at a mirror mu, yet blame any short comings in another mu on imbalances, lol. Terran players... Try to get high TvT ratio when you can never train it because of the lack of terrans on ladder. (that's notmy case I have 71% TvT right now). | ||
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StarStruck
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On December 13 2013 23:38 Whatson wrote: He obviously doesn't need them as Protoss They're actually the least important with zerg because u can use queens for locations. Chrono'ing ur nexi without camera hotkeys is a pain noone should have go through. | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On December 14 2013 00:00 Plansix wrote: I watch his stream a lot with my fiancé, he uses them all the time to mark rally points, to keep an eye on the opponents ramp. He says he uses them out loud during his stream. Why are you trying to tell people map hot keys are bad? They are super useful as Protoss for quick chrono boosting and warp ins. Almost all pros use them all the time. Don't listen to the silver heros in here. | ||
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Ravomat
Germany422 Posts
On December 14 2013 00:18 Razbu wrote: I am glad you decided to abandon that disgusting dirty race and get back to the real deal...the terran...you will get stormed, you will get amoved thru while the tos is sitting back sipping on his juice...but you will have your dignity and the respect of your terran bros. WP This comment makes me so sad. It's like playing on ladder. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 14 2013 00:25 Valikyr wrote: They're actually the least important with zerg because u can use queens for locations. Chrono'ing ur nexi without camera hotkeys is a pain noone should have go through. the way sjow goes against the grain just isn't viable. you cannot play like that and expect to get results. I think it's amazing that early on he did okay and heck he's still going at it. Dude's persistent but he really is set in his own way. Respect for that, but my God man. I don't know how anyone can play like that. | ||
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Val_
Ukraine156 Posts
i played with u you had 1800 MMR (US GM = 1900) | ||
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
On December 13 2013 21:16 ETisME wrote: lol switched because P too imba in PvT, switched back because PvP is too frustrating This... I respect Sjow for making a statement, but this is similar to why he switched to Protoss 2 weeks ago. Because TvP is frustrating. If he kept on switching on that reason alone, then he'd might as well quit the game because TvP is more frustrating that PvP imo. No matchup in the game can be considered not frustrating. | ||
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