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-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
December 13 2013 14:40 GMT
#61
Hahaha xD PvP making P players RQ since the beginning of sc2 xD sjow has learned! I really found this hilarious as I've always pretty much been a member of this camp lmao

I think people should give him credit, though. At least he was confident enough in himself to at least give it a go which many players, myself included, cannot bring themselves to do(race switch). Hopefully he finds some more success with T. I think he might need a different approach to the game so that he may continue to enjoy his time playing in general.
Good luck!
Anime is cuter than you. Legacy of the Void GM Protoss Gameplay: twitch.tv/kyo7763 youtube.com/user/KyoStarcraft/
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j00pdaw00p
Profile Joined December 2013
47 Posts
December 13 2013 14:42 GMT
#62
On December 13 2013 23:16 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 23:10 RaZorwire wrote:
On December 13 2013 22:58 Plansix wrote:
On December 13 2013 22:16 Faust852 wrote:
On December 13 2013 22:10 synd wrote:
wow, toss such ez, like really ez money.
13 days later = switching back to Terran.
lel

Sup, SjoW.
Please trash talk some more the successful toss players who practice more than you.

I think you are really stupid because you can't read the OP.

People read the OP, but we don't believe him. He just figured out that Protoss wasn't as ez pz as he thought in all the match ups and switched back.


Because making up your own truth about someone on the internet is always better than listening to the person in question. TL.net in a nutshell.

It's not true, it's opinion. My opinion is Sjow got to the point where he would have to learn how to play Protoss for real and decided to back out. He didn't reach his goal and saw that it was a lot harder them he thought it was going to be. I won't believe Avilo either when he comes out with his excuse either.

i just think its funny how protoss players are always on the defensive. its a telltale sign.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
December 13 2013 14:43 GMT
#63
On December 13 2013 21:23 Fliparoni wrote:
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On December 13 2013 21:17 Tosster wrote:
You wouldn't make it, sorry Sjow. Not so "imba" eh?


If you'd bothered to truly read his post you'd know that it was mostly because of the PvP matchup that he's ending his Protoss experiment. His opinions on the other matchups remain unchanged.

He can be lying. Real reason might be his bad PvZ :D
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
December 13 2013 14:45 GMT
#64
Not surprised by this. Everyone loves to think their race is the most frustrating to play, then they switch and realize that every race has their frustrating issues and at the end of the day it always ends up the same way, regardless of T/Z/P
SooYoung-Noona!
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9408 Posts
December 13 2013 14:47 GMT
#65
I guess in the end it just came down to him not enjoying playing protoss. I can relate to that as I find playing protoss to be the biggest waste time. Either you all in or you turtle with a deathball - both feels like a waste of time.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2013 14:48 GMT
#66
On December 13 2013 23:38 Whatson wrote:
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On December 13 2013 23:28 Plansix wrote:
Also, last time I checked he still doesn't use map hot keys. I don't know how he expects to do well against any high level player that uses them.

He obviously doesn't need them as Protoss

Oh clearly the highest level Protoss don't need map hot keys or control groups. Just draw a big box and Amove to glory. Then tab and storm, storm, storm! Ez pz.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
December 13 2013 14:49 GMT
#67
On December 13 2013 23:43 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 21:23 Fliparoni wrote:
On December 13 2013 21:17 Tosster wrote:
You wouldn't make it, sorry Sjow. Not so "imba" eh?


If you'd bothered to truly read his post you'd know that it was mostly because of the PvP matchup that he's ending his Protoss experiment. His opinions on the other matchups remain unchanged.

He can be lying. Real reason might be his bad PvZ :D

Oh he actually said in stream that his PvZ sucked :D
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
December 13 2013 14:49 GMT
#68
On December 13 2013 23:48 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 23:38 Whatson wrote:
On December 13 2013 23:28 Plansix wrote:
Also, last time I checked he still doesn't use map hot keys. I don't know how he expects to do well against any high level player that uses them.

He obviously doesn't need them as Protoss

Oh clearly the highest level Protoss don't need map hot keys or control groups. Just draw a big box and Amove to glory. Then tab and storm, storm, storm! Ez pz.

The box doesn't even have to be that big.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 14:50:43
December 13 2013 14:50 GMT
#69
On December 13 2013 23:48 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 23:38 Whatson wrote:
On December 13 2013 23:28 Plansix wrote:
Also, last time I checked he still doesn't use map hot keys. I don't know how he expects to do well against any high level player that uses them.

He obviously doesn't need them as Protoss

Oh clearly the highest level Protoss don't need map hot keys or control groups. Just draw a big box and Amove to glory. Then tab and storm, storm, storm! Ez pz.

Lol, camera control are useless, I don't know a single player that use them beside putting Main 2nd and 3rd. They spam it for 5 min then never use them after that.
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
December 13 2013 14:50 GMT
#70
If was interesting watching you trying to learn two new matchups. Keep fighting the good fight. We all know which race is hardest to play, and which is the most gimmicky and cheesiest race
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
Swift118
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom335 Posts
December 13 2013 14:51 GMT
#71
May be tempting for Terrans currently to switch to Protoss due to TvP. Have to remember though PvP is a headfuck and is an unpredictable match up (result wise) and PvZ seems very unforgiving at times. Not worth switching imo unless your heart is really in it and you are enjoying playing your off-race more than your main.
MagnuMizer
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Denmark384 Posts
December 13 2013 14:51 GMT
#72
You know, so many people say protoss is imba and getting gm as toss is easy etc etc... but you actually tried and failed, showing all the balance whiners that they are dumb!!

thanks for that! gl with playing terran again
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 14:53:23
December 13 2013 14:51 GMT
#73
On December 13 2013 21:16 ETisME wrote:
lol switched because P too imba in PvT, switched back because PvP is too frustrating


That might have been what broke the camel's hump but from I saw of his PvZ it was cringeworthy from unit composition and his apm still couldn't really keep up with the game at that pace to utilize the race. Apm isn't the b all end all like I mentioned in the past even in BW, but sJoW you were missing a lot and i mean a lot of openings for harass.

On December 13 2013 21:04 asdfOu wrote:

plus the terran dignity, NEVER GIVE INTO THE PVT IMBA!!!!


1st comment in thread? Oh please. If there are any other players who wish to switch please by all means do so and see for yourself.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2013 14:54 GMT
#74
On December 13 2013 23:50 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 23:48 Plansix wrote:
On December 13 2013 23:38 Whatson wrote:
On December 13 2013 23:28 Plansix wrote:
Also, last time I checked he still doesn't use map hot keys. I don't know how he expects to do well against any high level player that uses them.

He obviously doesn't need them as Protoss

Oh clearly the highest level Protoss don't need map hot keys or control groups. Just draw a big box and Amove to glory. Then tab and storm, storm, storm! Ez pz.

Lol, camera control are useless, I don't know a single player that use them beside putting Main 2nd and 3rd. They spam it for 5 min then never use them after that.

Except for demuslim...? I hear he is pretty good.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 14:56:19
December 13 2013 14:55 GMT
#75
On December 13 2013 23:54 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 23:50 Faust852 wrote:
On December 13 2013 23:48 Plansix wrote:
On December 13 2013 23:38 Whatson wrote:
On December 13 2013 23:28 Plansix wrote:
Also, last time I checked he still doesn't use map hot keys. I don't know how he expects to do well against any high level player that uses them.

He obviously doesn't need them as Protoss

Oh clearly the highest level Protoss don't need map hot keys or control groups. Just draw a big box and Amove to glory. Then tab and storm, storm, storm! Ez pz.

Lol, camera control are useless, I don't know a single player that use them beside putting Main 2nd and 3rd. They spam it for 5 min then never use them after that.

Except for demuslim...? I hear he is pretty good.

Look at him playing, he almost never uses these controls, except as I said, spamming them early.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
December 13 2013 14:55 GMT
#76
Ofc you can´t switch from terran to protoss and reach your former lvl of play in a couple of days. The way the races play out is completely different, you have to adjust to another rhythm, new timings, new strategies. Especially Protoss, which is heavily build dependant.
But the switch for a lot of protoss players to terran would be even harder, because they additionally needed to heavily increase their apm.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
December 13 2013 14:55 GMT
#77
TBH his PvP was awful and his PvZ was awful, and probably the biggest reason why he did ok with PvT is because he knows everything there is to know about terran from playing it, and he played styles specifically to abuse all of that.

Hope he was humbled by this failed experiment
SooYoung-Noona!
Koesader
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands424 Posts
December 13 2013 14:58 GMT
#78
PvP made me switch to terran as well, but that was when my 4gate stopped working
Liquid'TaeJa - Grubby - MVPMarineKing - Liquid'Ret - AxCranK - RedBull.Bomber ~~~ Are You Ready For Bombing?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
December 13 2013 14:58 GMT
#79
Hilarious post by bischu. But why not become a race picker?!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2013 15:00 GMT
#80
On December 13 2013 23:55 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 23:54 Plansix wrote:
On December 13 2013 23:50 Faust852 wrote:
On December 13 2013 23:48 Plansix wrote:
On December 13 2013 23:38 Whatson wrote:
On December 13 2013 23:28 Plansix wrote:
Also, last time I checked he still doesn't use map hot keys. I don't know how he expects to do well against any high level player that uses them.

He obviously doesn't need them as Protoss

Oh clearly the highest level Protoss don't need map hot keys or control groups. Just draw a big box and Amove to glory. Then tab and storm, storm, storm! Ez pz.

Lol, camera control are useless, I don't know a single player that use them beside putting Main 2nd and 3rd. They spam it for 5 min then never use them after that.

Except for demuslim...? I hear he is pretty good.

Look at him playing, he almost never use these control, except as I said, spamming them early.

I watch his stream a lot with my fiancé, he uses them all the time to mark rally points, to keep an eye on the opponents ramp. He says he uses them out loud during his stream. Why are you trying to tell people map hot keys are bad? They are super useful as Protoss for quick chrono boosting and warp ins.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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