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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 04:04:33
December 13 2013 04:04 GMT
#121
On December 13 2013 12:58 korn101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 12:53 Darkhoarse wrote:
On December 13 2013 12:45 isaachukfan wrote:
Imagine if all three of these guys go over to Prime to continue in Proleague

Prime would still be pretty screwed. Revival, aLive, Oz, Creator, and Byun every matchup wouldn't be that great.

They would at least take something better than last.

I could see that lineup getting them past Samsung, not many other teams though.
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SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
December 13 2013 04:05 GMT
#122
This sucks to see, but it's completely understandable.
thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
December 13 2013 04:19 GMT
#123
yeah they were retrenched, no one's fault, all part of business.
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
December 13 2013 04:22 GMT
#124
I really hope Alive doesn't retire. EG is now a 1 man team
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
December 13 2013 04:24 GMT
#125
liquid-alive anyone?
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 13 2013 04:25 GMT
#126
Liquid`aLive EVERYONE
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ooDi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada170 Posts
December 13 2013 04:34 GMT
#127
I consider aLive > JYP... with JYP still in the team..
"Believe you can and you're halfway there." @UR_ooDi www.twitch.tv/ooDi_sc
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
December 13 2013 04:43 GMT
#128
Oz to CJ entus pls
Less is more.
RyLai
Profile Joined May 2011
United States477 Posts
December 13 2013 04:44 GMT
#129
As much as I like the other EG guys, I really wish they would just drop the foreigners and keep the Koreans.

"Sorry, we can't afford spending money on you guys now that we aren't participating in Korean tournaments anymore. Nothing personal, we just wanted you guys so we could have a run at proleague anyway."
FlyingDagger
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada61 Posts
December 13 2013 04:52 GMT
#130
not Oz!!
-niL
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1131 Posts
December 13 2013 04:56 GMT
#131
So the korean trio is leaving
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
December 13 2013 04:59 GMT
#132
On December 13 2013 07:45 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
granted all of this was expected but it still seems really harsh to contract players JUST to fill up spots on a Proleague team then dump them as soon as they arent needed

Statements like this hurt my head... EG made the decision not to continue in proleague after Coach Park left several months ago. Dumping them as soon as they aren't needed would mean dumping them right then. Instead EG kept them on the team until the end of their six month contracts as agreed. I doubt they would complain about how they were treated while they were on the team competing in WCS America.

Anyway, I hope all the players are able to find new homes. Oz in particular I like and I really hope he doesn't retire.
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 05:04:01
December 13 2013 05:03 GMT
#133
On December 13 2013 13:24 washikie wrote:
liquid-alive anyone?


Uh oh . . . what part of "these guys don't really express any personality to make them valuable" is not coming across here in the thread? I can't imagine that TL would take on these guys at the moment. Nazgul and staff are very smart people - they're not going to add these guys for the same reasons that Alex Garfield is getting rid of them.

I mean, TL is in a better position to add Koreans because they don't rely on sponsors nearly as much as EG, but just look how much work it's taken to get HerO our of his shell. TL has spent countless valuable hotbid-hours coaxing the guy to speak 2 words of English over the years. He's great now, of course, but it's a hell of a time investment to get many of these Korean pro's to make the effort to connect with fans. If they did it on their own like Polt or MC, then I think that's a different scenario. If only the majority of the Koreans realized the value in expressing themselves . . . but they don't.

"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
December 13 2013 05:03 GMT
#134
On December 13 2013 13:44 RyLai wrote:
As much as I like the other EG guys, I really wish they would just drop the foreigners and keep the Koreans.

"Sorry, we can't afford spending money on you guys now that we aren't participating in Korean tournaments anymore. Nothing personal, we just wanted you guys so we could have a run at proleague anyway."

pretty sure all three of them knew exactly why they were picked up. And all three of them won some damn good money from WCS AM, which they wouldn't have done if they didn't join EG most likely.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 13 2013 05:09 GMT
#135
On December 13 2013 14:03 SCST wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 13:24 washikie wrote:
liquid-alive anyone?


Uh oh . . . what part of "these guys don't really express any personality to make them valuable" is not coming across here in the thread? I can't imagine that TL would take on these guys at the moment. Nazgul and staff are very smart people - they're not going to add these guys for the same reasons that Alex Garfield is getting rid of them.

I mean, TL is in a better position to add Koreans because they don't rely on sponsors nearly as much as EG, but just look how much work it's taken to get HerO our of his shell. TL has spent countless valuable hotbid-hours coaxing the guy to speak 2 words of English over the years. He's great now, of course, but it's a hell of a time investment to get many of these Korean pro's to make the effort to connect with fans. If they did it on their own like Polt or MC, then I think that's a different scenario. If only the majority of the Koreans realized the value in expressing themselves . . . but they don't.


No one should be forced to artificially change their personalities so some people on a different continent will like them more.
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atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1711 Posts
December 13 2013 05:13 GMT
#136
I really hope aLive doesn't retire, I love watching him play. Revival is a good zerg that deserves a team and after Oz pvp comment I've never seen anything from him
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 05:25:36
December 13 2013 05:14 GMT
#137
On December 13 2013 14:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 14:03 SCST wrote:
On December 13 2013 13:24 washikie wrote:
liquid-alive anyone?


Uh oh . . . what part of "these guys don't really express any personality to make them valuable" is not coming across here in the thread? I can't imagine that TL would take on these guys at the moment. Nazgul and staff are very smart people - they're not going to add these guys for the same reasons that Alex Garfield is getting rid of them.

I mean, TL is in a better position to add Koreans because they don't rely on sponsors nearly as much as EG, but just look how much work it's taken to get HerO our of his shell. TL has spent countless valuable hotbid-hours coaxing the guy to speak 2 words of English over the years. He's great now, of course, but it's a hell of a time investment to get many of these Korean pro's to make the effort to connect with fans. If they did it on their own like Polt or MC, then I think that's a different scenario. If only the majority of the Koreans realized the value in expressing themselves . . . but they don't.


No one should be forced to artificially change their personalities so some people on a different continent will like them more.


Well I agree. But I wouldn't say that HerO expressing himself is at all artificial, for example. It just took a damn long time to get him to do it and overcome his shyness.

Now if you're saying that being shy is part of these guys personalities and they shouldn't have to compromise that - that's a valid claim. But that also applies to anything, really. And in the context or being a professional SC2 player on a team, it doesn't hold up as an argument.

For example: one can argue that a player shouldn't be forced to play in tournaments and wear uniforms with sponsors on them, right? Maybe the player doesn't like to travel, doesn't like crowds, doesn't like uniforms. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it also doesn't mean that any legitimate E-sports team is going to add them to the roster, aslo. And can we blame the team for rejecting a player like that? The team needs to make money. This isn't a charity, unfortunately. It's a business model.

The Foreign teams need their players to connect with foreign fans because foreign sponsors are paying the bills. If some Koreans aren't willing to do what's necessary for the team to make them financially viable, then they can't expect to be kept on the roster barring some specialized role.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 13 2013 05:26 GMT
#138
On December 13 2013 14:14 SCST wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 14:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
On December 13 2013 14:03 SCST wrote:
On December 13 2013 13:24 washikie wrote:
liquid-alive anyone?


Uh oh . . . what part of "these guys don't really express any personality to make them valuable" is not coming across here in the thread? I can't imagine that TL would take on these guys at the moment. Nazgul and staff are very smart people - they're not going to add these guys for the same reasons that Alex Garfield is getting rid of them.

I mean, TL is in a better position to add Koreans because they don't rely on sponsors nearly as much as EG, but just look how much work it's taken to get HerO our of his shell. TL has spent countless valuable hotbid-hours coaxing the guy to speak 2 words of English over the years. He's great now, of course, but it's a hell of a time investment to get many of these Korean pro's to make the effort to connect with fans. If they did it on their own like Polt or MC, then I think that's a different scenario. If only the majority of the Koreans realized the value in expressing themselves . . . but they don't.


No one should be forced to artificially change their personalities so some people on a different continent will like them more.


Well I agree. But I wouldn't say that HerO expressing himself is at all artificial, for example. It just took a damn long time to get him to do it and overcome his shyness.

Now if you're saying that being shy is part of these guys personalities and they shouldn't have to compromise that - that's a valid claim. But that also applies to anything, really. And in the context or being a professional SC2 player on a team, it doesn't hold up as an argument.

For example: one can argue that a player shouldn't be forced to play in tournaments and wear uniforms with sponsors on them, right? Maybe the player doesn't like to travel, doesn't like crowds, doesn't like uniforms. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it also doesn't mean that any legitimate E-sports team is going to add them to the roster, aslo. And can we blame the team for rejecting a player like that? The team needs to make money. This isn't a charity, unfortunately. It's a business model.

The Foreign teams need their players to connect with foreign fans because foreign sponsors are paying the bills. If some Koreans aren't willing to do what's necessary for the team to make them financially viable, then they can't expect to be kept on the roster barring some specialized role.

Oh yeah I totally agree with you. You have to have a strong visible personality to be a favorite of foreign fans (with some exceptions). I was just kinda saying that it sucks
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
December 13 2013 05:29 GMT
#139
Are they gonna keep playing in WCS AM? Its gonna be more difficult for a teamless player since they have to pay for flights and all.
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 05:32:01
December 13 2013 05:31 GMT
#140
On December 13 2013 14:26 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 14:14 SCST wrote:
On December 13 2013 14:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
On December 13 2013 14:03 SCST wrote:
On December 13 2013 13:24 washikie wrote:
liquid-alive anyone?


Uh oh . . . what part of "these guys don't really express any personality to make them valuable" is not coming across here in the thread? I can't imagine that TL would take on these guys at the moment. Nazgul and staff are very smart people - they're not going to add these guys for the same reasons that Alex Garfield is getting rid of them.

I mean, TL is in a better position to add Koreans because they don't rely on sponsors nearly as much as EG, but just look how much work it's taken to get HerO our of his shell. TL has spent countless valuable hotbid-hours coaxing the guy to speak 2 words of English over the years. He's great now, of course, but it's a hell of a time investment to get many of these Korean pro's to make the effort to connect with fans. If they did it on their own like Polt or MC, then I think that's a different scenario. If only the majority of the Koreans realized the value in expressing themselves . . . but they don't.


No one should be forced to artificially change their personalities so some people on a different continent will like them more.


Well I agree. But I wouldn't say that HerO expressing himself is at all artificial, for example. It just took a damn long time to get him to do it and overcome his shyness.

Now if you're saying that being shy is part of these guys personalities and they shouldn't have to compromise that - that's a valid claim. But that also applies to anything, really. And in the context or being a professional SC2 player on a team, it doesn't hold up as an argument.

For example: one can argue that a player shouldn't be forced to play in tournaments and wear uniforms with sponsors on them, right? Maybe the player doesn't like to travel, doesn't like crowds, doesn't like uniforms. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it also doesn't mean that any legitimate E-sports team is going to add them to the roster, aslo. And can we blame the team for rejecting a player like that? The team needs to make money. This isn't a charity, unfortunately. It's a business model.

The Foreign teams need their players to connect with foreign fans because foreign sponsors are paying the bills. If some Koreans aren't willing to do what's necessary for the team to make them financially viable, then they can't expect to be kept on the roster barring some specialized role.

Oh yeah I totally agree with you. You have to have a strong visible personality to be a favorite of foreign fans (with some exceptions). I was just kinda saying that it sucks


Oh yeah I agree that it sucks. I'd rather we live in a perfect world where money didn't even exist heh.

At the same time, maybe the changing environment over here will inspire some Koreans to express themselves more in the future. I mean, they have to see MC and think: "look how valuable this guy is to foreigners, maybe I should do a ceremony and speak a bit more English". It's not hard for them to do, it's just a cultural boundary that they'll need to cross if they want to be part of the foreign scene in the future.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
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