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On December 16 2013 05:49 Wombat_NI wrote:
It'd be nice if there was room for both competitive focused players and streaming personalities/foreign favourites within the organisation.
This isn't a dig at EG, just a shame that it seems that it's what stream viewers want.
There is, Jaedong is very competitive, one of the best zergs in the world. But he's also very popular and a big draw. EG is in a position to pick and choose at this point, they've got the sponsors, the infrastructure, the connections etc. When they look for new players they can do so with the knowledge that those players need/want EG more than EG needs/wants them.
I could see them picking up someone like Maru or Rain/sOs, top 5 players in their race, but as for helping unknown players in NA with no viewer-base who want to compete and win stuff? It's such a massive investment in time and money for a very slim chance of success.
You can pick up someone who is already a champion or someone who is a big streamer with lots of viewers, both is guaranteed exposure and good PR. Picking up someone who fulfills neither of these criteria just doesn't make a tonne of sense business-vise.
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Oz and alive went so well with fnatic ;_;
too bad.
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On December 16 2013 07:42 Squat wrote:
I could see them picking up someone like Maru or Rain/sOs, top 5 players in their race, but as for helping unknown players in NA with no viewer-base who want to compete and win stuff? It's such a massive investment in time and money for a very slim chance of success.
And yet they picked Xeno and Suppy (who at that time was an up and comer)
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Northern Ireland27250 Posts
On December 16 2013 07:42 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2013 05:49 Wombat_NI wrote:
It'd be nice if there was room for both competitive focused players and streaming personalities/foreign favourites within the organisation.
This isn't a dig at EG, just a shame that it seems that it's what stream viewers want. There is, Jaedong is very competitive, one of the best zergs in the world. But he's also very popular and a big draw. EG is in a position to pick and choose at this point, they've got the sponsors, the infrastructure, the connections etc. When they look for new players they can do so with the knowledge that those players need/want EG more than EG needs/wants them. I could see them picking up someone like Maru or Rain/sOs, top 5 players in their race, but as for helping unknown players in NA with no viewer-base who want to compete and win stuff? It's such a massive investment in time and money for a very slim chance of success. You can pick up someone who is already a champion or someone who is a big streamer with lots of viewers, both is guaranteed exposure and good PR. Picking up someone who fulfills neither of these criteria just doesn't make a tonne of sense business-vise.
Oh for sure, albeit Jaedong is a bit of an outlier in terms of stream numbers and the like, even if he wasn't pulling in all these winnings from these tournaments he'd still be of some value to the EG brand given his history in BW. The only really comparable figure would be Flash probably, with that kind of legendary historical aura.
I don't even think a Maru or Rain would bring in good stream numbers particularly at this point, looking at some of the numbers that even players of Byun's calibre pull in compared to a year ago.
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This was inevitable. It's not like they could ever be even close to the level of play that Machine is at. Tough luck, but that's how it goes sometimes.
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On December 14 2013 06:23 LuckyGnomTV wrote:
Alive is cute, I dont want him to retire QQ
Alive aka BubblesTerran?
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On December 13 2013 14:39 Arceus wrote:
I dont know man, maybe thats why foreigner will forever be light years behind in skills. It's better to be an entertaining streamer rather than trying to improve
That's the sad state of American culture, beauty and personality over intelligence and skill level. Just turn on your T.V, hardly anything on that does not kill brain cells, dumb rich people making reality T.V shows is what sells in American culture.
So if you want to profit in America, you have to appeal to the mainstream market, that's what EG does, American based pop culture personality is easy to market and sell, get a strong following on players that fit those requirements and sponsors will flock to you.
It is pretty sad to see a company favor personality over skill in a Intelligent game like StarCraft 2. You don't see Main stream American sport teams draft players with less skill in favor of someone with less skill but looks better.
Famous athletes got famous based on their skill like Michael Jordan, not because he looks good and has a good personality. I wish American Esport teams would do the same, or Esports is just some random Entertainment like mtv music videos which is sad. Hope the Koreans EG let go find teams, they been with StarCraft 2 from the start and have brought us a lot of good games.
Really makes me cringe when I see super models pretending to be pro gamers and stream for money, leaves a huge sick feeling in my tummy.
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Northern Ireland27250 Posts
I made the mistake of just checking out some of the other games and their streamers
I got the Twitch app on my phone, and it routes you through the homepage, and I had a look at some of the other games and streamers who were dwarfing true quality gamers. Thought I might see some cool stuff, oh my GOD the horrors
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On December 16 2013 08:44 Wombat_NI wrote:
I made the mistake of just checking out some of the other games and their streamers
I got the Twitch app on my phone, and it routes you through the homepage, and I had a look at some of the other games and streamers who were dwarfing true quality gamers. Thought I might see some cool stuff, oh my GOD the horrors
Husky is still the most popular SC caster on youtube and it's not even close. LoL is crushing every other game in the market in viewership numbers. That should tell us something.
Modern gaming culture is now a mirror of modern media, shallow, willfully ignorant, completely lacking intellectual curiosity and all about surface over substance. Watching someone spew invectives and cuss out his team/opponents in chat is far more interesting than someone actually playing to succeed and improve in a difficult game.
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On December 16 2013 08:41 LingBlingBling wrote:
Famous athletes got famous based on their skill
Sure, sure that's why everybody knows Tim duncan as much as Kobe Bryant.
That's why Iverson was so popular because he was the best player in early 2000. Not because he was a average joe size with a flashy (yet ineficient as hell) playstyle.
That's why a scalabrine is much less known than a Jarett Jack or any mid level NBA basketball player.
And that is why Bryant just sign a 2 years max deal with LAL, because he is on the top of the Baskball world right know.
Or maybe it's because he can fill the Staple Center just by himself and sell a lot of jersey and shit.
It's the same everywhere. Skill alone doesn't sells jersey flashyness does, tittle only matter because they make you sell more jersey. Is Arsenal popular because they are the best ? or because of their entertaining playstyle ?
Ryan Giggs is probably one of the best football player of all time, yet who does know him ? not your average joe
Iniesta is so freaking godly, yet you don't heard of him near as much as messi.
Can you give me 20 top defender in less than a minute ? I'm sure you can tell 20 scorers.
Edit : I'm not saying that skill doesn't matter, it does a lot. But it's the same as in starcraft, the goal is not so much to win but to make money therefore sealing jersey and to do that skill is the not the only thing that matters.
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On December 13 2013 07:39 j00pdaw00p wrote:
pure jokes when you choose a player like machine over them...i jus dont get it...
With respect he is probably on a lower salary.
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Northern Ireland27250 Posts
Ryan Giggs is pretty damn well known and lauded over here, as is Scholes. At their peaks though, in terms of the average Joe Beckham had a lot more public recognition, so point taken.
On Messi he is the best player of this generation, and rather shy and retiring in terms of the charisma. He's popular almost solely on his skills. Ronaldinho had his charm and charisma, not the best looking guy and was similarly regarded because he was damn good.
You're hitting another area I feel with some of these sport analogies. It's still about their skill levels, but defenders are less renowned among Joe Public becaus their skillset is less flashy or 'skillful'
Of we were to bring it to SC2, I'd compare that disparity to how 'legit' and 'cheesy' players are received in differing ways.
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SC2 players are famous because :
1- Top player, championship contender (Taeja, Bogus, Soulkey ect)
2- Personality/Bringing entertainment while beeing good (Parting, MC, top foreigners)
Low profile, not flashy players (playstyle or cerenomies) but good like alive are less marketable (and so are some of the athletes I've been talking about). Therefore make less money. I really fell the analogie is good.
And if you wanna talk about low GM player making more money than the like of alive (Incontrol, Destiny). In my opinion they are not athlete as they are personality. They do not compete they make money around esport.
They are much more attention bringer than competitor they should not count as player even if they play the game. It's like if the public relationship advisor of a football club was making a shit ton of money and was put on the same scale than the pros because he plays football during his sunday mornings (actually my analogie is shit because he is making less money but you see my point i hope  )
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On December 16 2013 08:41 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 14:39 Arceus wrote:
I dont know man, maybe thats why foreigner will forever be light years behind in skills. It's better to be an entertaining streamer rather than trying to improve It is pretty sad to see a company favor personality over skill in a Intelligent game like StarCraft 2.
Actually, they do that because the community favor personality over skill by far
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On December 13 2013 07:44 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 07:39 j00pdaw00p wrote:
pure jokes when you choose a player like machine over them...i jus dont get it... As for Machine, I don't get it either, but Demuslim and Incontrol are probably worth a lot more to EG than aLive/Revival/Oz would ever be. They're popular, and no matter how much better the Korean trio is, they aren't. Popularity sells, and EG needs to make money.
I think Machine does not get much of a salary for whatever he puts in gaming-wise. I think he's far more important to EG behind the scenes. I have to admit, I don't know much about it, but I can't imagine them keeping Machine for his in-game performances.
All the other players make sense. Thorzain is probably still under contract, HuK, Suppy and Demuslim performed about on-par for what was expected of them, I think, and are very marketable personalities. Incontrol is a media magnet and probably responsible for about 95% of their sponsors staying with them 
Jaedong is the Dong. You don't just let him go... plus, he HAS to get over his Kong status at some point in 2014 
Not quite sure why JYP was kept on over Revival, Oz or aLive, but it's probably got something to do with their contracts.
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This story shows why US Server is the lowest. And demonstrates the egocentric, individualist system problem in the US.
From the country who praises talent and merit is quite funny.
I didn't forget EG was the lose team few months ago. It won't change a lot. JD is the only player from EG who performs. And he hides the deep lack of skill in this team.
Eg didn't have any financial problem so, speaking about personality over skill is quite stupid. It just shows what is your style. EG prefers money over trophies. OK ! Money won't get you trophies, skill does.
And don't talk about football when you don't know what you're talking about ...
User was warned for this post
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On March 06 2014 10:26 tensai_sendo wrote:
This story shows why US Server is the lowest. And demonstrates the egocentric, individualist system problem in the US.
From the country who praises talent and merit is quite funny.
I didn't forget EG was the lose team few months ago. It won't change a lot. JD is the only player from EG who performs. And he hides the deep lack of skill in this team.
Eg didn't have any financial problem so, speaking about personality over skill is quite stupid. It just shows what is your style. EG prefers money over trophies. OK ! Money won't get you trophies, skill does.
And don't talk about football when you don't know what you're talking about ...
What the... what? I don't understand. Are you just trying to hate on EG and America?
EDIT: It's your first post, never mind. Sick necro, dude.
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On March 06 2014 10:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 10:26 tensai_sendo wrote:
This story shows why US Server is the lowest. And demonstrates the egocentric, individualist system problem in the US.
From the country who praises talent and merit is quite funny.
I didn't forget EG was the lose team few months ago. It won't change a lot. JD is the only player from EG who performs. And he hides the deep lack of skill in this team.
Eg didn't have any financial problem so, speaking about personality over skill is quite stupid. It just shows what is your style. EG prefers money over trophies. OK ! Money won't get you trophies, skill does.
And don't talk about football when you don't know what you're talking about ...
What the... what? I don't understand. Are you just trying to hate on EG and America? EDIT: It's your first post, never mind. Sick necro, dude.
Haha wow. Yeah... the only reason EG signed thsoe players in the first place was for Proleague. No longer doing proleague, no longer need as many players. It sucks to see them leave EG, but it makes sense. I'm very happy for Revival now that he's on CM Storm along with Polt.
Super sick first post necro indeed
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