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herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2056 Posts
December 13 2013 09:48 GMT
#161
In other news, Machine is still with EG.

Could someone who knows the NA scene tell me if he's really visible there?
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
December 13 2013 09:51 GMT
#162
im sure theyll find new homes, theyve proven throughout this year that theyre worth investing in. im just surprised they didnt at least keep revival on board after all his success at shanghai and wcs NA
Bjarne
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 10:21:37
December 13 2013 10:19 GMT
#163
On December 13 2013 09:34 Shuriken812 wrote:
Guess eg is not my favorite team anymore :/
I guess to most fans, someone with a cool personality is better than a talented player :/
Again, why is machine even on the team?? When u have a player who qualified for blizzcon, u still keep some random, terrible player that not many people know about?
Hopefully they go to a team that values their talent, and not their personality
That was harsh by eg honestly, just throwing away peoples jobs even though u had a contract with them
I wonder how jaedong is, hes the only korean on eg now. I guess it wont matter too much, since egtl house closed, but i recall him saying in an interview that oz and him were really good friends, so that must suck
Best of luck to the three of them



There is basically nothing true in this post...man...

1. Exposure, personality and visibility ARE obviously more important then skill. If you are extremley good, you dont need a personality, cause everyone cheers for (Soulkey). But if not, you have to give other value for the sponsors. Would you spend 500 bucks+falt and beyond to revival, even if you COULD afford it??

2. Machine is another story. He has a worked out body wich is good for merchandise, is only part-time player, good friend this the guys in the teamhouse. He is, like InControl, not there to deliver results. He even plays warhammer 40K with Geoff =)

3. NOone throw away job!!! They had a 6 months contract and EG paid all the 6 months, although it was pretty clear for months that they were not participating in PL. Get your shit together man.

4. Jaedong is NOT the only Korean on EG
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JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
December 13 2013 11:06 GMT
#164
On December 13 2013 07:44 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 07:39 j00pdaw00p wrote:
pure jokes when you choose a player like machine over them...i jus dont get it...


As for Machine, I don't get it either, but Demuslim and Incontrol are probably worth a lot more to EG than aLive/Revival/Oz would ever be. They're popular, and no matter how much better the Korean trio is, they aren't. Popularity sells, and EG needs to make money.


Machine is probably well known in the NA-scene, plus he is the lowest payed player @EG (besides Xeno maybe). Cutting him would have no impact on the financial situation of EG, while cutting these three guys saves a bunch of cash. Im sure EG would have kept Alive, Oz and Revival if they would have been "satisfied" with a lower salary...
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
December 13 2013 11:09 GMT
#165
On December 13 2013 18:48 herMan wrote:
In other news, Machine is still with EG.

Could someone who knows the NA scene tell me if he's really visible there?

It's been stated that he is know more or less the house manager for EG and already looking for new job opportunities.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26540 Posts
December 13 2013 11:51 GMT
#166
HerO didn't need his personality coaxed out, his shyness IS his personality and plenty find that endearing.

HerO was a fan favourite on play style alone almost straight out the bat, and has won a fair bit. Taeja is even less exposed in the way HerO is, his hallmark is how he CLAPS for god's sake :p.

TL do not have the same personality/stream centric model EG. They have a list of criteria over and above pure skill or pure marketability though
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
December 13 2013 12:06 GMT
#167
EG loosing good players and keeping personality "players" is very EG. I like it, hope they keep it up. Respect!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2013 12:14 GMT
#168
I always do respect them for making good business decisions and making sure they are viable long term. Forget the people who things wins are everything, playing the bills long term is everything.
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trada
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany347 Posts
December 13 2013 12:18 GMT
#169
well, theres primes new roster
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 13 2013 12:18 GMT
#170
On December 13 2013 21:14 Plansix wrote:
I always do respect them for making good business decisions and making sure they are viable long term. Forget the people who things wins are everything, playing the bills long term is everything.

It IS pretty hard to go to tournaments if your team cannot afford plane tickets.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26540 Posts
December 13 2013 12:30 GMT
#171
EG should have gone back to Proleague.

The Korean scene needs more outlets for its playerbase, it needs a shot in the arm to attempt to invigorate that scene. Ideally, Proleague needs more love being an established prestigious competition it'd be ideal.

If we're talking long-term for the overall scene from which EG feeds IMO it's a no-brainer unless the associated costs are MASSIVE
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
December 13 2013 12:55 GMT
#172
I hope they'll end up in SPL.
The heart's eternal vow
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 13 2013 14:19 GMT
#173
On December 13 2013 21:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
EG should have gone back to Proleague.

The Korean scene needs more outlets for its playerbase, it needs a shot in the arm to attempt to invigorate that scene. Ideally, Proleague needs more love being an established prestigious competition it'd be ideal.

If we're talking long-term for the overall scene from which EG feeds IMO it's a no-brainer unless the associated costs are MASSIVE

The time zone difference and general instability of the Korean scene(it's really not doing well, at all) make a venture like that a fairly substantial gamble. They would need more solid Koreans, a teamhouse in Korea and assorted functionaries and coaches.

I'm really not sure EG is all that invested in the long term health of the scene, they are an Esports team, not an SC2 team. I'm pretty sure they'd dump SC2 like an old newspaper if the fans bailed on it.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 13 2013 14:22 GMT
#174
On December 13 2013 21:18 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 21:14 Plansix wrote:
I always do respect them for making good business decisions and making sure they are viable long term. Forget the people who things wins are everything, playing the bills long term is everything.

It IS pretty hard to go to tournaments if your team cannot afford plane tickets.

Flights from Korea killing Esports.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 13 2013 14:30 GMT
#175
On December 13 2013 23:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 21:18 Squat wrote:
On December 13 2013 21:14 Plansix wrote:
I always do respect them for making good business decisions and making sure they are viable long term. Forget the people who things wins are everything, playing the bills long term is everything.

It IS pretty hard to go to tournaments if your team cannot afford plane tickets.

Flights from Korea killing Esports.

Gotta roll like Arnold in Twins, a boat, 2 oars and a pair of bulging biceps go a long way.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 13 2013 14:51 GMT
#176
On December 13 2013 18:08 BBS wrote:
Yeah good job - steal them from fnatic just to let them go later on ...

No one stole anyone from Fnatic. Oz and aLive both expressed their dissatisfaction while on Fnatic about their play. If you want to talk about stealing, ask TSL how they feel about aLive's transfer to them
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 13 2013 15:22 GMT
#177
Every time EG releases players, people always ask about Machine...poor guy
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
December 13 2013 15:23 GMT
#178
On December 13 2013 18:48 herMan wrote:
In other news, Machine is still with EG.

Could someone who knows the NA scene tell me if he's really visible there?





Maybe machine gets better viewer numbers on his stream than Oz,alive, revival. Machine is not very good even in a NA only tournament he wouldn't be very good. But I have a feeling he is on his last leg with the team.
Spectralx
Profile Joined November 2010
United States198 Posts
December 13 2013 15:45 GMT
#179
They are all great players. Shame, GL guys best of luck!
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Radicalness
Profile Joined September 2011
United States271 Posts
December 13 2013 15:47 GMT
#180
Machine doesn't travel to tournaments and probably doesn't demand a very high salary.

When EG-TL lost coach Park, their team house and decided not to pursue Proleague, I guess this was expected but it's still sad. Hope they find new teams and hope EG picks up some new players.
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