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SAN FRANCISCO, California - December 12th, 2013. - Evil Geniuses, the world’s premier professional gaming team, today announces the release of three Korean StarCraft II players, Kim “Revival” Dong Hyun, Kim “Oz” Hak Soo, and Han “aLive” Lee Seok from their roster.
Revival joined Evil Geniuses in December 2012 to fill out the roster for Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid’s partnership for the first StarCraft II SK Planet Proleague Season I. In the early rounds of Proleague, Revival quickly proved himself a valuable asset to the team, scoring critical victories in matches versus Woongjin Stars and CJ Entus. When Oz and aLive joined Evil Geniuses midseason, they were considered by many to be past their prime. Their critics, however, were silenced as Oz and aLive became two of EG-TL’s most reliable players, helping the team take much-needed wins over SK Telecom T1 and Team 8.
Outside of Korea, Revival, aLive, and Oz have become mainstays of a number of foreign tournaments, most notably in WCS America, where the trio boast a combined five top eight finishes in WCS North America Premier League, as well as five total appearances at the WCS Season Finals. As a member of Evil Geniuses, Revival also earned his first premier tournament victory at IEM Season VIII Shanghai, where he defeated Oz in the grand finals.
Alex Garfield
Letting Oz, aLive, and Revival go was a very difficult decision for our organization, because we felt they were all playing well and doing a great job of representing our team. Ultimately, this decision came down to the fact that our initial recruitment of these players was specifically tied to our participation in Proleague. Given that we will not be part of the 2013-2014 season, it didn’t make sense for us to keep so many players on our Korean roster.
Effective immediately, Revival, Oz, and aLive will no longer be contracted with Evil Geniuses. This decision was not made lightly, and Evil Geniuses would personally like to thank Dong Hyun, Hak Soo, and Lee Seok for their hard work and dedication over the last year. Both in and out of competition, each contributed meaningfully to the organization and without their commitment to performing at the very highest level, Evil Geniuses would not be the organization it is today. Evil Geniuses wishes each of them the best of luck in whatever endeavors they choose to pursue in the coming months.
It's understandable, but sad nonetheless. Best of luck to all of them. They are talented guys, so I'm sure they'll land on their feet.
EDIT: Source: http://evilgeniuses.gg/Read/218,Change-Comes-to-Evil-Geniuses-StarCraft-II-Division/
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I'm legitimately surprised to see them release alive, even if he was a proleague thing he was performing really well in most tournaments he went to. Oh well it'll be fun to see was US team grabs them for WCS AM (At last one going to complexity)
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Maybe aLive will retire now. He was about to right before EG picked him up.
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Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it.
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Understandable. Good luck to the players.
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What a surprise..said nobody.
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pure jokes when you choose a player like machine over them...i jus dont get it...
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I feel like I watched these guys play all the way back when SC2 was released. It feels like EG is just dumping the old timers. I get why they had to, but it still sucks =\
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First rumors of Korean team disbanding and now this.
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I guess this is understandable. I wonder where they will go to now.
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On December 13 2013 07:41 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I feel like I watched these guys play all the way back when SC2 was released. It feels like EG is just dumping the old timers. I get why they had to, but it still sucks =\
When IdrA left, he said he had support from EG for a transition period. It's better to give a soft landing than to allow people linger beyond their usefulness to the organization.
I do hope Alive won't retire. He's a great player. And Oz and Revival put on a good show consistently.
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Really sucks, now the only EG players in tournaments are JD and sometimes JYP. All three of these guys did great in WCS AM and would have continued to do so I feel.
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On December 13 2013 07:39 j00pdaw00p wrote:
pure jokes when you choose a player like machine over them...i jus dont get it...
As for Machine, I don't get it either, but Demuslim and Incontrol are probably worth a lot more to EG than aLive/Revival/Oz would ever be. They're popular, and no matter how much better the Korean trio is, they aren't. Popularity sells, and EG needs to make money.
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That's a real shame. EG were a huge force with these three. Hope they can pick some similar replacements up.
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granted all of this was expected but it still seems really harsh to contract players JUST to fill up spots on a Proleague team then dump them as soon as they arent needed
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All EG really needs is Jaedong to be honest.
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Ah this sucks, mainly because I don't want aLive to have any reason to retire. I hope they get picked up by a Proleague team. If they do these three will forever be proleague support.
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Hey, expected. As I said in the other thread, EG doesn't need anyone else beside Jaedong + popular foreigners + Incontrol for their sc2 division.
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and liquid still has zenio :D
such a shame to see alive teamless T_T
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Well it just wasn't right with Players actually posting results so I can understand why they are dropping all 3 players.
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These three guys are probably all relatively cheap and are great players. I hope they get picked up soon :/ especially HAN LEE SEOK!
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I think all 3 of them should be able to find a team if they want to keep playing. Good luck to them. 
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![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQ2wgHBCAAI0_w2.jpg:large)
Who doesn't want this stud on their team?
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is jaedong going to play in proleague with another team?
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Not particularly surprised, though I'm hoping EG will acquire more top-tier Koreans.
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On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it.
Please never say things like this again.
As for the release, who didn't see this coming when they didn't renew with revival? They have no reason to keep mid level Koreans unless they have something unique to offer. Jaedong gives them performance and popularity in one package, if they are going to pick up more Koreans it's going to have to be someone pretty spectacular.
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No! aLive! 
GL to all involved.
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On December 13 2013 07:58 Squat wrote:Please never say things like this again. As for the release, who didn't see this coming when they didn't renew with revival? They have no reason to keep mid level Koreans unless they have something unique to offer. Jaedong gives them performance and popularity in one package, if they are going to pick up more Koreans it's going to have to be someone pretty spectacular.
Mid level? Alive was one of only two players to make the ro8 of a season finals twice. I'm pretty sure that makes him top two in the world.
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Not nice EG TT should have kept my favorite players, because ! But atleast thanks to EG I saw them really often.
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Sad new. It seems EG doesn't really care about getting many top finishes in tournaments or about teamleagues anymore. Or maybe they hope Jaedong will do all that. 
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On December 13 2013 08:01 Tamagoshi wrote:Sad new. It seems EG doesn't really care about getting many top finishes in tournaments or about teamleagues anymore. Or maybe they hope Jaedong will do all that.
Never really thought tournament results and team league performance were high in their employment policy, which kind of makes me sad, but I also learned to understand it. Hope the players don't retire and find teams or at least some form of sponsorship.
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unless EG enters proleague again, the only Koreans they'll add will have to have a following.
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On December 13 2013 08:01 Tamagoshi wrote:Sad new. It seems EG doesn't really care about getting many top finishes in tournaments or about teamleagues anymore. Or maybe they hope Jaedong will do all that.
Other than Proleague, EG has never valued teamleagues particularly highly. It seems like they're focusing pretty strongly on NA-centric players and content, which is fine.
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Gogo to Jin Air for Proleague support! They are currently only boasting a six man active roster and could use more depth. Other possibilities are MVP and Prime, MVP because they may (RUMOR) be losing a few more players in addition to Duckdeok and need to swell their ranks and Prime because aside from Creator, Maru, and Byun all their players are quite inexperienced. Just some positive thoughts in a negative situation
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On December 13 2013 08:05 McRatyn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 08:01 Tamagoshi wrote:Sad new. It seems EG doesn't really care about getting many top finishes in tournaments or about teamleagues anymore. Or maybe they hope Jaedong will do all that. Never really thought tournament results and team league performance were high in their employment policy, which kind of makes me sad, but I also learned to understand it. Hope the players don't retire and find teams or at least some form of sponsorship.
Yeah, I agree completely with your post.
I am sorry EG, I am a bit sad.
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Sad news!!
I don't get it, if it's such a business oriented organization they most certainly have double standards for some players in their roster.
Now.. Liquid'aLive??
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On December 13 2013 08:08 eeChiama wrote:
Now.. Liquid'aLive??
Would be the happiest day of my life.
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Sad to see aLive go :/ The best of luck to the players
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On December 13 2013 07:59 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 07:58 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it. Please never say things like this again. As for the release, who didn't see this coming when they didn't renew with revival? They have no reason to keep mid level Koreans unless they have something unique to offer. Jaedong gives them performance and popularity in one package, if they are going to pick up more Koreans it's going to have to be someone pretty spectacular. Mid level? Alive was one of only two players to make the ro8 of a season finals twice. I'm pretty sure that makes him top two in the world.
the one time was a fluke, he filled jim's spot didnt he?
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I thought for sure they would keep aLive. He was by far the best Terran on their roster.
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Honestly, it's difficult for me to respect EG when they so blatantly favor popularity over skill, and basically throw these Korean players under the bus like this.
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On December 13 2013 08:09 j00pdaw00p wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 07:59 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 07:58 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it. Please never say things like this again. As for the release, who didn't see this coming when they didn't renew with revival? They have no reason to keep mid level Koreans unless they have something unique to offer. Jaedong gives them performance and popularity in one package, if they are going to pick up more Koreans it's going to have to be someone pretty spectacular. Mid level? Alive was one of only two players to make the ro8 of a season finals twice. I'm pretty sure that makes him top two in the world. the one time was a fluke, he filled jim's spot didnt he?
Okay getting in was a fluke but beating Scarlett and the defending KR champ Maru 2-0, 2-0 were not flukes .
But obviously /s on the first post.
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They will pick up good players its okkkkkkkkkkkkk
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On December 13 2013 08:09 j00pdaw00p wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 07:59 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 07:58 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it. Please never say things like this again. As for the release, who didn't see this coming when they didn't renew with revival? They have no reason to keep mid level Koreans unless they have something unique to offer. Jaedong gives them performance and popularity in one package, if they are going to pick up more Koreans it's going to have to be someone pretty spectacular. Mid level? Alive was one of only two players to make the ro8 of a season finals twice. I'm pretty sure that makes him top two in the world. the one time was a fluke, he filled jim's spot didnt he?
Correct. He did make it to the Ro8 both times, though.
On December 13 2013 08:10 j00pdaw00p wrote:
Honestly, it's difficult for me to respect EG when they so blatantly favor popularity over skill, and basically throw these Korean players under the bus like this.
If their players aren't popular, less people want to watch them, and EG makes less money. It's tough but it's the nature of business.
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On December 13 2013 08:07 Yorkie wrote:
Gogo to Jin Air for Proleague support! They are currently only boasting a six man active roster and could use more depth. Other possibilities are MVP and Prime, MVP because they may (RUMOR) be losing a few more players in addition to Duckdeok and need to swell their ranks and Prime because aside from Creator, Maru, and Byun all their players are quite inexperienced. Just some positive thoughts in a negative situation
Oh, I would be happy with that. Gogo to Proleague, guys!
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If only Ax.aLive could happen, it would be awesome to see him tearing up the GSTL again.
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On December 13 2013 07:59 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 07:58 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it. Please never say things like this again. As for the release, who didn't see this coming when they didn't renew with revival? They have no reason to keep mid level Koreans unless they have something unique to offer. Jaedong gives them performance and popularity in one package, if they are going to pick up more Koreans it's going to have to be someone pretty spectacular. Mid level? Alive was one of only two players to make the ro8 of a season finals twice. I'm pretty sure that makes him top two in the world.
I wholeheartedly disagree with that criteria. You seriously cannot think of two people who should be ranked above Alive?
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On December 13 2013 08:18 AWalker9 wrote:
If only Ax.aLive could happen, it would be awesome to see him tearing up the GSTL again.
Only issue with that is TB has stated that Axiom-Acer has no plans to split in the near future. And what's the last thing Ax-Acer needs? Terrans. (Ryung, Heart, Inno, MMA).
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On December 13 2013 08:20 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 07:59 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 07:58 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it. Please never say things like this again. As for the release, who didn't see this coming when they didn't renew with revival? They have no reason to keep mid level Koreans unless they have something unique to offer. Jaedong gives them performance and popularity in one package, if they are going to pick up more Koreans it's going to have to be someone pretty spectacular. Mid level? Alive was one of only two players to make the ro8 of a season finals twice. I'm pretty sure that makes him top two in the world. I wholeheartedly disagree with that criteria. You seriously cannot think of two people who should be ranked above Alive?
Haha the top two in the world part was sarcasm I assure you. He was just making a point
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On December 13 2013 08:20 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 07:59 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 07:58 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it. Please never say things like this again. As for the release, who didn't see this coming when they didn't renew with revival? They have no reason to keep mid level Koreans unless they have something unique to offer. Jaedong gives them performance and popularity in one package, if they are going to pick up more Koreans it's going to have to be someone pretty spectacular. Mid level? Alive was one of only two players to make the ro8 of a season finals twice. I'm pretty sure that makes him top two in the world. I wholeheartedly disagree with that criteria. You seriously cannot think of two people who should be ranked above Alive?
Come on man /s and all that . Just a joke.
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On December 13 2013 08:20 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 07:59 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 07:58 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it. Please never say things like this again. As for the release, who didn't see this coming when they didn't renew with revival? They have no reason to keep mid level Koreans unless they have something unique to offer. Jaedong gives them performance and popularity in one package, if they are going to pick up more Koreans it's going to have to be someone pretty spectacular. Mid level? Alive was one of only two players to make the ro8 of a season finals twice. I'm pretty sure that makes him top two in the world. I wholeheartedly disagree with that criteria. You seriously cannot think of two people who should be ranked above Alive?
Did...you...not...read...his...signature...
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Though will probably find a home with another proleague team soon, hopefully.
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On December 13 2013 08:28 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 08:20 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:59 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 07:58 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it. Please never say things like this again. As for the release, who didn't see this coming when they didn't renew with revival? They have no reason to keep mid level Koreans unless they have something unique to offer. Jaedong gives them performance and popularity in one package, if they are going to pick up more Koreans it's going to have to be someone pretty spectacular. Mid level? Alive was one of only two players to make the ro8 of a season finals twice. I'm pretty sure that makes him top two in the world. I wholeheartedly disagree with that criteria. You seriously cannot think of two people who should be ranked above Alive? Did...you...not...read...his...signature...
I'm a fanboy not a blind fanboy. Read above posts about how I was just kidding.
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Ok guys NEW PREDICTIONS!
1st. Azubu will disband.
2nd. Azubu will reform without losing any players making you wonder why the hell they disbanded.
3rd. Azubu is no longer called Azubu, they are called Zombie-TSL
4th. Zombie-TSL picks up aLive and Revival for obvious reasons.
5th. Oz gets a personal sponsorship from the up and coming company in gaming everybody is raving about "Thewizardof"
You guys can all kiss my ring when this happens
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On December 13 2013 08:29 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 08:28 Qwyn wrote:On December 13 2013 08:20 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:59 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 07:58 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it. Please never say things like this again. As for the release, who didn't see this coming when they didn't renew with revival? They have no reason to keep mid level Koreans unless they have something unique to offer. Jaedong gives them performance and popularity in one package, if they are going to pick up more Koreans it's going to have to be someone pretty spectacular. Mid level? Alive was one of only two players to make the ro8 of a season finals twice. I'm pretty sure that makes him top two in the world. I wholeheartedly disagree with that criteria. You seriously cannot think of two people who should be ranked above Alive? Did...you...not...read...his...signature... I'm a fanboy not a blind fanboy. Read above posts about how I was just kidding.
Telling sarcasm and ingenious trolling from genuine stupidity on the internet is a feat comparable to the labours of Hercules, alas.
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Well there goes their Korean force.
Now they can put all their pride and money on JD.
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On December 13 2013 08:10 j00pdaw00p wrote:
Honestly, it's difficult for me to respect EG when they so blatantly favor popularity over skill, and basically throw these Korean players under the bus like this.
It's hard for you to respect them because they value making money over skill?
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StarTale should pick them up. that mad redbull money.
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If StartaleaLive happened I'd be one of the most annoying fanboys of all time.
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On December 13 2013 08:37 Darkhoarse wrote:
If StartaleaLive happened I'd be one of the most annoying fanboys of all time.
I would actually root for him.
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On December 13 2013 08:10 j00pdaw00p wrote:
Honestly, it's difficult for me to respect EG when they so blatantly favor popularity over skill, and basically throw these Korean players under the bus like this.
Eg is a buisness. they need to make money and there's no reason keepping players that don't add to their marketing value when they don't participate in team leagues to need them. I'm a little surprised by Alive since he was actually still really good but since he wasn't winning tournaments and isn't a big name I see why they dropped him. good move for EG the brand not a great move for EG as a professional Starcraft teamm.
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On December 13 2013 08:29 Yorkie wrote:
Ok guys NEW PREDICTIONS!
1st. Azubu will disband.
2nd. Azubu will reform without losing any players making you wonder why the hell they disbanded.
3rd. Azubu is no longer called Azubu, they are called Zombie-TSL
4th. Zombie-TSL picks up aLive and Revival for obvious reasons.
5th. Oz gets a personal sponsorship from the up and coming company in gaming everybody is raving about "Thewizardof"
You guys can all kiss my ring when this happens
Don't forget when Puma comes out of retirement to join Zombie-TSL 
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Plot twist: Fnatic pick up both Oz and aLive again and partner up with team Epic for next GSTL season
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Well, it was pretty much known already, and it makes sense since EG won't be participating in Proleague.
Wonder where they'll end up?
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I'm serious about Liquid'aLive. He would be a great asset for team-leagues.
I don't have twitter so I'll just keep reposting this in hopes that Nazgul or Bumblebee see this!!
Let a man dream..
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I'd be bitter if I were them. The company dropped them and picked up a lol team at the same time.
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I dunno why but I've never really seen those guys as EG. Yeah they were on EG but it felt different. Like Taeja and Hero I completely see as Liquid. Also Jaedong, totally EG, for whatever reason. Maybe it's the interactions, or maybe the victories. You almost always see TLO cheering with his teammates when they win and Incontrol never stops talking about Jaedong so you just get that sense of team/family with them, but it just wasn't the case with these 3 (from my perspective, though I didn't watch a whole lot of Proleague).
Anyway, hope to see them do well in the future anyway! I've always particularly liked watching Oz play, especially when he broke into the scene with FXO.
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On December 13 2013 08:52 Rad wrote:
I dunno why but I've never really seen those guys as EG. Yeah they were on EG but it felt different. Like Taeja and Hero I completely see as Liquid. Also Jaedong, totally EG, for whatever reason. Maybe it's the interactions, or maybe the victories. You almost always see TLO cheering with his teammates when they win and Incontrol never stops talking about Jaedong so you just get that sense of team/family with them, but it just wasn't the case with these 3 (from my perspective, though I didn't watch a whole lot of Proleague).
Anyway, hope to see them do well in the future anyway! I've always particularly liked watching Oz play, especially when he broke into the scene with FXO.
You do kinda get the impression that they cared way more for him than the others. Considering barring WCS tourneys, aLive only got to go 1 foreign tournament, Oz only got to go to 3 and Revival got to go to 2 and only went to IEM New York because ForGG dropped out. So yeah on the giving opportunities front they definitely gave JD more by a long long way.
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On December 13 2013 08:50 Gentso wrote:
I'd be bitter if I were them. The company dropped them and picked up a lol team at the same time.
Supposedly, Velocity is just branded as EG, and not actually owned by the same people. But that's probably just their front to get around the same organization can't own two teams rule.
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On December 13 2013 08:33 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 08:29 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 08:28 Qwyn wrote:On December 13 2013 08:20 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:59 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 07:58 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it. Please never say things like this again. As for the release, who didn't see this coming when they didn't renew with revival? They have no reason to keep mid level Koreans unless they have something unique to offer. Jaedong gives them performance and popularity in one package, if they are going to pick up more Koreans it's going to have to be someone pretty spectacular. Mid level? Alive was one of only two players to make the ro8 of a season finals twice. I'm pretty sure that makes him top two in the world. I wholeheartedly disagree with that criteria. You seriously cannot think of two people who should be ranked above Alive? Did...you...not...read...his...signature... I'm a fanboy not a blind fanboy. Read above posts about how I was just kidding. Telling sarcasm and ingenious trolling from genuine stupidity on the internet is a feat comparable to the labours of Hercules, alas.
Hm, I found it kinda easy. If you have a superiority complex and you want to constantly prove people on the internet wrong or want to correct them etc, it's easy to get baited by trolls. However, if you look in the perspective of a troll trying to annoy people, youll usually be able to see through the posts.
On Topic, I agree that those guys never felt like "EG" -- just hired assassins by EG/TL during the merger thing for progleague. Usually EG promotes their players really well so you have an idea that they're part of the team or integrated somehow.
EG has Machine and TL has Zenio -- you dont hear from them much, but they're still on the team.
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Not surprised. Hope these guys find new teams soon.
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I wonder why EG didn't drop JYP, I feel like he served the same purpose as the other three.
The only reason I can see is because he was a member for longer.
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On December 13 2013 09:10 Redrot wrote:
I wonder why EG didn't drop JYP, I feel like he served the same purpose as the other three.
The only reason I can see is because he was a member for longer.
Jyp is the only force keeping Naniwa in check. He is too valuable.
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Easy come, easy go.
Still, EG gave these players so many opportunities that it would be foolish to see EG as a bad guy in this situation. Revival and Oz got the best results of their career due to the opportunities from EG, and aLive enjoyed the most success he's ever had since early 2012, when he won IPL 4.
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On December 13 2013 08:50 Gentso wrote:
I'd be bitter if I were them. The company dropped them and picked up a lol team at the same time.
That's one way to look at it I guess. But another way is for them to be thankful that EG picked them up in the first place and gave them all these opportunities and let them continue with their career.
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On December 13 2013 09:16 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 08:50 Gentso wrote:
I'd be bitter if I were them. The company dropped them and picked up a lol team at the same time. That's one way to look at it I guess. But another way is for them to be thankful that EG picked them up in the first place and gave them all these opportunities and let them continue with their career.
No disrespect or anything, but you're acting like EG was doing charity work by picking up these guys. They're good players. They came in as proleague support and proved themselves worthy of being on the team. Plus, it seems like their EG contracts were far from lucrative.
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Wonder if they'll all retire now like Puma.
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On December 13 2013 09:23 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 09:16 Bagration wrote:On December 13 2013 08:50 Gentso wrote:
I'd be bitter if I were them. The company dropped them and picked up a lol team at the same time. That's one way to look at it I guess. But another way is for them to be thankful that EG picked them up in the first place and gave them all these opportunities and let them continue with their career. No disrespect or anything, but you're acting like EG was doing charity work by picking up these guys. They're good players. They came in as proleague support and proved themselves worthy of being on the team. Plus, it seems like their EG contracts were far from lucrative.
I don't think it was charity work, but it wasn't exploitation either. It was just business as usual, and I'm just trying to address another user's sentiment that these players got screwed over by EG.
Nope, it's just business. Handshakes and ideally mutual benefit.
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Guess eg is not my favorite team anymore :/
I guess to most fans, someone with a cool personality is better than a talented player :/
Again, why is machine even on the team?? When u have a player who qualified for blizzcon, u still keep some random, terrible player that not many people know about?
Hopefully they go to a team that values their talent, and not their personality
That was harsh by eg honestly, just throwing away peoples jobs even though u had a contract with them
I wonder how jaedong is, hes the only korean on eg now. I guess it wont matter too much, since egtl house closed, but i recall him saying in an interview that oz and him were really good friends, so that must suck
Best of luck to the three of them
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Hope they can all find new teams
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And everything I predicted in the Revival thread came true. Not to toot my own horn or anything hehe. *toot*
So we can pretty much surmise that the 2011-2012 Korean-to-foreign-team thing has ended, with teams realizing that the foreign fans are not interested in these kinds of players unless they are willing to make an effort to show personality and connect with the audience.
There will always be the more serious Starcraft crowd that will root for these players, but this is yet another sign of how much power casual viewership has over the industry. I wouldn't count EG out from adding other Korean players on the team in the future, but they'll make damn sure that said players are popular, superstars or at least try to communicate with fans. This is a business where pure skill doesn't mean much when you shut yourself off from the world and don't interact with the people that are essentially paying the bills. It's just the way it is.
P.S. I'll add that this is of course sad for any player to leave a team without a place to go. I hope these guys can find a home soon.
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nooooo alive nooooo please someone pick him up, i don't want to have wcs am without alive
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never liked aLive that much
and Oz was my most hated player of all time
his inconsistency allowed him to be a threat to some of the best yet remain pathetically bad at the same time
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Three of my least favorite players, good move by EG seeing as they weren't marketable or particularly talented (for Koreans). The best result would be them making it into proleague squads so I can anti-team all 3 like last season.
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On December 13 2013 09:58 Scarecrow wrote:
Three of my least favorite players, good move by EG seeing as they weren't marketable or particularly talented (for Koreans). The best result would be them making it into proleague squads so I can anti-team all 3 like last season.
Good job anti-teaming two players who had better winrates in proleague than Jaedong.
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Argh, sorry to see them go. This is really bad for EG's SC2 division. What's left? Incontrol, Jaedong, Machine, Suppy, Demuslim, JYP? Its a shame because Revival and Alive particularly posted some really good results in the past year, especially compared to their team mates.
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EG keeps getting weaker and weaker. Strange how they at one point where the wildest powerhouse with ALL the fan favorites and now have 3-4. Oh well, more money saved for using on some other people. Hopefully they rest find af home (and that Alive won't retire)
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On December 13 2013 10:01 Dr.Sin wrote:
Argh, sorry to see them go. This is really bad for EG's SC2 division. What's left? Incontrol, Jaedong, Machine, Suppy, Demuslim, JYP? Its a shame because Revival and Alive particularly posted some really good results in the past year, especially compared to their team mates.
Jaedong. That's it.
EG doesn't seem to want to get involve in many teamleagues nowaday after the abysmal showing in PL, and the only ones they've entered are the one that they are hosting.
And if you're not in a teamleague, there's no need for depth. Jaedong is strong, and as long as he is still making deep runs and has a huge fanbase, EG is happy.
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On December 13 2013 10:00 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 09:58 Scarecrow wrote:
Three of my least favorite players, good move by EG seeing as they weren't marketable or particularly talented (for Koreans). The best result would be them making it into proleague squads so I can anti-team all 3 like last season. Good job anti-teaming two players who had better winrates in proleague than Jaedong.
Basically anyone on EGTL was good for anti-ing in most rounds, though their value went to shit after the first few.
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Win premier tournament, get kicked off team. Good shit
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On December 13 2013 10:06 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 10:00 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 09:58 Scarecrow wrote:
Three of my least favorite players, good move by EG seeing as they weren't marketable or particularly talented (for Koreans). The best result would be them making it into proleague squads so I can anti-team all 3 like last season. Good job anti-teaming two players who had better winrates in proleague than Jaedong. Basically anyone on EGTL was good for anti-ing in most rounds, though their value went to shit after the first few.
Hero? Taeja (when playing)?
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On December 13 2013 10:12 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 10:06 Scarecrow wrote:On December 13 2013 10:00 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 09:58 Scarecrow wrote:
Three of my least favorite players, good move by EG seeing as they weren't marketable or particularly talented (for Koreans). The best result would be them making it into proleague squads so I can anti-team all 3 like last season. Good job anti-teaming two players who had better winrates in proleague than Jaedong. Basically anyone on EGTL was good for anti-ing in most rounds, though their value went to shit after the first few. Hero? Taeja (when playing)?
Taeja played pretty poorly in proleague outside of his 6-2 round 1.
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Yeah, that's too bad, honestly I'm a little surprised JYP didn't get the axe in either Oz's or aLive's place...
Well, best of luck to these three, perhaps EG will try and pick up Soulkey or some other high profile Korean in place of these three?
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On December 13 2013 10:13 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 10:12 bourne117 wrote:On December 13 2013 10:06 Scarecrow wrote:On December 13 2013 10:00 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 09:58 Scarecrow wrote:
Three of my least favorite players, good move by EG seeing as they weren't marketable or particularly talented (for Koreans). The best result would be them making it into proleague squads so I can anti-team all 3 like last season. Good job anti-teaming two players who had better winrates in proleague than Jaedong. Basically anyone on EGTL was good for anti-ing in most rounds, though their value went to shit after the first few. Hero? Taeja (when playing)? Taeja played pretty poorly in proleague outside of his 6-2 round 1.
True but to be fair he played very little after that first round. When he did start feeling better with his wrists it seemed like coach park didn't trust him as much because he didn't practice in the team house.
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Northern Ireland24971 Posts
Fuck sake.
For all their not 'personalities' I don't feel they really got the exposure that enabled it to come across. They could have streamed more perhaps, but argh. Apart from anything else, they had actual practice to do.
Hope they find new teams each and all
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On December 13 2013 10:18 TheMilkyOne wrote:
All 3 to PRIME!
Not too unlikely at this point, if Prime is committed to playing proleague this year.
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Wow... was not expecting aLive to go... Really hoped that at least aLive wouldve been kept...
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On December 13 2013 07:44 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 07:39 j00pdaw00p wrote:
pure jokes when you choose a player like machine over them...i jus dont get it... As for Machine, I don't get it either, but Demuslim and Incontrol are probably worth a lot more to EG than aLive/Revival/Oz would ever be. They're popular, and no matter how much better the Korean trio is, they aren't. Popularity sells, and EG needs to make money.
I guess I'll never understand business :/ How does popularity help a business earn money? Wouldn't advertising through good players earn more revenue?
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Very sad….Best of luck to the three of them. Hope they find new teams outside of Korea, I liked watching them play in WCS America and other foreign tournaments.
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its business, can't say I like it though.
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Is this really that understandable that you have to drop the players who get actual results (I mean something real not shoutcraft) when some others are still allowed to stay even if they are at best mediocre?
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On December 13 2013 10:57 YuiHirasawa wrote:
Is this really that understandable that you have to drop the players who get actual results (I mean something real not shoutcraft) when some others are still allowed to stay even if they are at best mediocre?
Depends, do those players provide RIO and make you money? Sponsors fund the team, not wins and all of the companies that fund EG are US or EU companies. Results cannot be turned directly into bitcoins.
Also, shoutcraft was a "real" event, even if it wasn't stacked with Koreans. People watched and sponsors like that.
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Really unfortunate to see these guys go. I really liked Oz, and Alive-- hopefully they'll be able to find a new team.
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They are really good players, specially Oz and aLive, wish Prime could pick them
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I guess because JYP has shown the most personality of the 4 (JYP and the 3 who were let go) he gets to stay. Then again, his singing isn't bad.
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Sucks for oz and aLive. We all heard the story about revival and I don't care too much for him anyway.
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On December 13 2013 11:01 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 10:57 YuiHirasawa wrote:
Is this really that understandable that you have to drop the players who get actual results (I mean something real not shoutcraft) when some others are still allowed to stay even if they are at best mediocre?
Depends, do those players provide RIO and make you money? Sponsors fund the team, not wins and all of the companies that fund EG are US or EU companies. Results cannot be turned directly into bitcoins. Also, shoutcraft was a "real" event, even if it wasn't stacked with Koreans. People watched and sponsors like that.
People who like results not just personality buy sponsor products too - or rather can start avoiding EG's sponsors after moves they really dont like.
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Really sucks for these guys, but it's understandable after EG's move out of Proleague. Such is life in this space.
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On December 13 2013 07:45 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
granted all of this was expected but it still seems really harsh to contract players JUST to fill up spots on a Proleague team then dump them as soon as they arent needed
Have you ever been and visited the real world? Sucks, but thats how it works. They signed 1 year contracts and have finished them.
As for keeping machine instead of these guys, thats obviously not the case. They kept machine inspite of dropping these guys, he doesn't cost probably half as much as one korean. I highly doubt that there was a dicussion that went "We can only afford to keep 1 of these 4 players, lets keep machine" at any time, in any room, in any reality, anywhere in the multi-verse. The simple fact is that they didn't need the koreans anymore and so they cut them to free up money to do other things. Sacking Machine would probably mean they can afford a new toaster for the EG lair.
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On December 13 2013 11:58 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 11:01 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2013 10:57 YuiHirasawa wrote:
Is this really that understandable that you have to drop the players who get actual results (I mean something real not shoutcraft) when some others are still allowed to stay even if they are at best mediocre?
Depends, do those players provide RIO and make you money? Sponsors fund the team, not wins and all of the companies that fund EG are US or EU companies. Results cannot be turned directly into bitcoins. Also, shoutcraft was a "real" event, even if it wasn't stacked with Koreans. People watched and sponsors like that. People who like results not just personality buy sponsor products too - or rather can start avoiding EG's sponsors after moves they really dont like.
And I am sure that was factored into the decision as well. But Alex Garfield runs the most successful Esports team out there right now, so I am sure he knows what he is doing.
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Imagine if all three of these guys go over to Prime to continue in Proleague
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On December 13 2013 11:58 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 11:01 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2013 10:57 YuiHirasawa wrote:
Is this really that understandable that you have to drop the players who get actual results (I mean something real not shoutcraft) when some others are still allowed to stay even if they are at best mediocre?
Depends, do those players provide RIO and make you money? Sponsors fund the team, not wins and all of the companies that fund EG are US or EU companies. Results cannot be turned directly into bitcoins. Also, shoutcraft was a "real" event, even if it wasn't stacked with Koreans. People watched and sponsors like that. People who like results not just personality buy sponsor products too - or rather can start avoiding EG's sponsors after moves they really dont like.
Unfortunate fact of the business is that good results are a drop in the bucket compared to personality. Just look at the stream numbers.
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Guess we'll be expecting new recruits for EG
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On December 13 2013 12:45 isaachukfan wrote:
Imagine if all three of these guys go over to Prime to continue in Proleague
Prime would still be pretty screwed. Revival, aLive, Oz, Creator, and Byun every matchup wouldn't be that great.
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On December 13 2013 12:53 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 12:45 isaachukfan wrote:
Imagine if all three of these guys go over to Prime to continue in Proleague Prime would still be pretty screwed. Revival, aLive, Oz, Creator, and Byun every matchup wouldn't be that great.
They would at least take something better than last.
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I really don't agree with letting go of aLive. He might not be a good personality, but he was incredibly consistent all year and knowing that all the guys on EG had such a strong Terran to practice with must have been a big benefit too
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On December 13 2013 12:58 korn101 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 12:53 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 12:45 isaachukfan wrote:
Imagine if all three of these guys go over to Prime to continue in Proleague Prime would still be pretty screwed. Revival, aLive, Oz, Creator, and Byun every matchup wouldn't be that great. They would at least take something better than last.
I could see that lineup getting them past Samsung, not many other teams though.
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This sucks to see, but it's completely understandable.
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yeah they were retrenched, no one's fault, all part of business.
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I really hope Alive doesn't retire. EG is now a 1 man team
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I consider aLive > JYP... with JYP still in the team..
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As much as I like the other EG guys, I really wish they would just drop the foreigners and keep the Koreans.
"Sorry, we can't afford spending money on you guys now that we aren't participating in Korean tournaments anymore. Nothing personal, we just wanted you guys so we could have a run at proleague anyway."
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not Oz!!
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So the korean trio is leaving
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On December 13 2013 07:45 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
granted all of this was expected but it still seems really harsh to contract players JUST to fill up spots on a Proleague team then dump them as soon as they arent needed
Statements like this hurt my head... EG made the decision not to continue in proleague after Coach Park left several months ago. Dumping them as soon as they aren't needed would mean dumping them right then. Instead EG kept them on the team until the end of their six month contracts as agreed. I doubt they would complain about how they were treated while they were on the team competing in WCS America.
Anyway, I hope all the players are able to find new homes. Oz in particular I like and I really hope he doesn't retire.
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On December 13 2013 13:24 washikie wrote:
liquid-alive anyone?
Uh oh . . . what part of "these guys don't really express any personality to make them valuable" is not coming across here in the thread? I can't imagine that TL would take on these guys at the moment. Nazgul and staff are very smart people - they're not going to add these guys for the same reasons that Alex Garfield is getting rid of them.
I mean, TL is in a better position to add Koreans because they don't rely on sponsors nearly as much as EG, but just look how much work it's taken to get HerO our of his shell. TL has spent countless valuable hotbid-hours coaxing the guy to speak 2 words of English over the years. He's great now, of course, but it's a hell of a time investment to get many of these Korean pro's to make the effort to connect with fans. If they did it on their own like Polt or MC, then I think that's a different scenario. If only the majority of the Koreans realized the value in expressing themselves . . . but they don't.
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On December 13 2013 13:44 RyLai wrote:
As much as I like the other EG guys, I really wish they would just drop the foreigners and keep the Koreans.
"Sorry, we can't afford spending money on you guys now that we aren't participating in Korean tournaments anymore. Nothing personal, we just wanted you guys so we could have a run at proleague anyway."
pretty sure all three of them knew exactly why they were picked up. And all three of them won some damn good money from WCS AM, which they wouldn't have done if they didn't join EG most likely.
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On December 13 2013 14:03 SCST wrote:Uh oh . . . what part of "these guys don't really express any personality to make them valuable" is not coming across here in the thread? I can't imagine that TL would take on these guys at the moment. Nazgul and staff are very smart people - they're not going to add these guys for the same reasons that Alex Garfield is getting rid of them. I mean, TL is in a better position to add Koreans because they don't rely on sponsors nearly as much as EG, but just look how much work it's taken to get HerO our of his shell. TL has spent countless valuable hotbid-hours coaxing the guy to speak 2 words of English over the years. He's great now, of course, but it's a hell of a time investment to get many of these Korean pro's to make the effort to connect with fans. If they did it on their own like Polt or MC, then I think that's a different scenario. If only the majority of the Koreans realized the value in expressing themselves . . . but they don't.
No one should be forced to artificially change their personalities so some people on a different continent will like them more.
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I really hope aLive doesn't retire, I love watching him play. Revival is a good zerg that deserves a team and after Oz pvp comment I've never seen anything from him
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On December 13 2013 14:09 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 14:03 SCST wrote:On December 13 2013 13:24 washikie wrote:
liquid-alive anyone? Uh oh . . . what part of "these guys don't really express any personality to make them valuable" is not coming across here in the thread? I can't imagine that TL would take on these guys at the moment. Nazgul and staff are very smart people - they're not going to add these guys for the same reasons that Alex Garfield is getting rid of them. I mean, TL is in a better position to add Koreans because they don't rely on sponsors nearly as much as EG, but just look how much work it's taken to get HerO our of his shell. TL has spent countless valuable hotbid-hours coaxing the guy to speak 2 words of English over the years. He's great now, of course, but it's a hell of a time investment to get many of these Korean pro's to make the effort to connect with fans. If they did it on their own like Polt or MC, then I think that's a different scenario. If only the majority of the Koreans realized the value in expressing themselves . . . but they don't. No one should be forced to artificially change their personalities so some people on a different continent will like them more.
Well I agree. But I wouldn't say that HerO expressing himself is at all artificial, for example. It just took a damn long time to get him to do it and overcome his shyness.
Now if you're saying that being shy is part of these guys personalities and they shouldn't have to compromise that - that's a valid claim. But that also applies to anything, really. And in the context or being a professional SC2 player on a team, it doesn't hold up as an argument.
For example: one can argue that a player shouldn't be forced to play in tournaments and wear uniforms with sponsors on them, right? Maybe the player doesn't like to travel, doesn't like crowds, doesn't like uniforms. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it also doesn't mean that any legitimate E-sports team is going to add them to the roster, aslo. And can we blame the team for rejecting a player like that? The team needs to make money. This isn't a charity, unfortunately. It's a business model.
The Foreign teams need their players to connect with foreign fans because foreign sponsors are paying the bills. If some Koreans aren't willing to do what's necessary for the team to make them financially viable, then they can't expect to be kept on the roster barring some specialized role.
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On December 13 2013 14:14 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 14:09 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 14:03 SCST wrote:On December 13 2013 13:24 washikie wrote:
liquid-alive anyone? Uh oh . . . what part of "these guys don't really express any personality to make them valuable" is not coming across here in the thread? I can't imagine that TL would take on these guys at the moment. Nazgul and staff are very smart people - they're not going to add these guys for the same reasons that Alex Garfield is getting rid of them. I mean, TL is in a better position to add Koreans because they don't rely on sponsors nearly as much as EG, but just look how much work it's taken to get HerO our of his shell. TL has spent countless valuable hotbid-hours coaxing the guy to speak 2 words of English over the years. He's great now, of course, but it's a hell of a time investment to get many of these Korean pro's to make the effort to connect with fans. If they did it on their own like Polt or MC, then I think that's a different scenario. If only the majority of the Koreans realized the value in expressing themselves . . . but they don't. No one should be forced to artificially change their personalities so some people on a different continent will like them more. Well I agree. But I wouldn't say that HerO expressing himself is at all artificial, for example. It just took a damn long time to get him to do it and overcome his shyness. Now if you're saying that being shy is part of these guys personalities and they shouldn't have to compromise that - that's a valid claim. But that also applies to anything, really. And in the context or being a professional SC2 player on a team, it doesn't hold up as an argument. For example: one can argue that a player shouldn't be forced to play in tournaments and wear uniforms with sponsors on them, right? Maybe the player doesn't like to travel, doesn't like crowds, doesn't like uniforms. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it also doesn't mean that any legitimate E-sports team is going to add them to the roster, aslo. And can we blame the team for rejecting a player like that? The team needs to make money. This isn't a charity, unfortunately. It's a business model. The Foreign teams need their players to connect with foreign fans because foreign sponsors are paying the bills. If some Koreans aren't willing to do what's necessary for the team to make them financially viable, then they can't expect to be kept on the roster barring some specialized role.
Oh yeah I totally agree with you. You have to have a strong visible personality to be a favorite of foreign fans (with some exceptions). I was just kinda saying that it sucks
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Are they gonna keep playing in WCS AM? Its gonna be more difficult for a teamless player since they have to pay for flights and all.
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On December 13 2013 14:26 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 14:14 SCST wrote:On December 13 2013 14:09 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 13 2013 14:03 SCST wrote:On December 13 2013 13:24 washikie wrote:
liquid-alive anyone? Uh oh . . . what part of "these guys don't really express any personality to make them valuable" is not coming across here in the thread? I can't imagine that TL would take on these guys at the moment. Nazgul and staff are very smart people - they're not going to add these guys for the same reasons that Alex Garfield is getting rid of them. I mean, TL is in a better position to add Koreans because they don't rely on sponsors nearly as much as EG, but just look how much work it's taken to get HerO our of his shell. TL has spent countless valuable hotbid-hours coaxing the guy to speak 2 words of English over the years. He's great now, of course, but it's a hell of a time investment to get many of these Korean pro's to make the effort to connect with fans. If they did it on their own like Polt or MC, then I think that's a different scenario. If only the majority of the Koreans realized the value in expressing themselves . . . but they don't. No one should be forced to artificially change their personalities so some people on a different continent will like them more. Well I agree. But I wouldn't say that HerO expressing himself is at all artificial, for example. It just took a damn long time to get him to do it and overcome his shyness. Now if you're saying that being shy is part of these guys personalities and they shouldn't have to compromise that - that's a valid claim. But that also applies to anything, really. And in the context or being a professional SC2 player on a team, it doesn't hold up as an argument. For example: one can argue that a player shouldn't be forced to play in tournaments and wear uniforms with sponsors on them, right? Maybe the player doesn't like to travel, doesn't like crowds, doesn't like uniforms. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it also doesn't mean that any legitimate E-sports team is going to add them to the roster, aslo. And can we blame the team for rejecting a player like that? The team needs to make money. This isn't a charity, unfortunately. It's a business model. The Foreign teams need their players to connect with foreign fans because foreign sponsors are paying the bills. If some Koreans aren't willing to do what's necessary for the team to make them financially viable, then they can't expect to be kept on the roster barring some specialized role. Oh yeah I totally agree with you. You have to have a strong visible personality to be a favorite of foreign fans (with some exceptions). I was just kinda saying that it sucks
Oh yeah I agree that it sucks. I'd rather we live in a perfect world where money didn't even exist heh.
At the same time, maybe the changing environment over here will inspire some Koreans to express themselves more in the future. I mean, they have to see MC and think: "look how valuable this guy is to foreigners, maybe I should do a ceremony and speak a bit more English". It's not hard for them to do, it's just a cultural boundary that they'll need to cross if they want to be part of the foreign scene in the future.
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I dont know man, maybe thats why foreigner will forever be light years behind in skills. It's better to be an entertaining streamer rather than trying to improve
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EGnaiwa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hope they find new teams especially aLive! Perhaps a pl team could have use for them. Someone like Prime they have auite a thin roster
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This is sad. I really liked Oz and aLive. I hope they get picked up and I hope EG signs some new players now. Or maybe they needed to cut them just to keep Jaedong? O_o
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5 year US visa + viOLet = EGviOLet
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Funny how they keep players like JYP, but release better performing dudes... But I guess that's what Team JD is about
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Sucks to hear they all got released. I was hoping they had all left on their own for some other reason, but it seems like they actually weren't intrested in keeping them.
I had preferred they had been allowed to stay on and get a longer chance at marketing themselves and making bigger names for themselves in the community (results-wise they were already some of the best on the team).
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On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it.
Don't think so. Acer's providing all the tournaments she needs alreay .
It's funny how Acer really is a big gun, they started to be it when everyone was like "sc2 ded game". EG kind of needs to refresh their roster anyways, except for Jaedong, there's not really a player who's still able to bring continous results. They're no longer the big thing going for tournament wins, or are they?
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Hm, EG dumping the less popular players here. Hope they'll get a contract with a Korean team before Proleague starts. I think only Revival will make it to one of them
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On December 13 2013 07:45 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
granted all of this was expected but it still seems really harsh to contract players JUST to fill up spots on a Proleague team then dump them as soon as they arent needed
This- when I saw all the rumors on the Revival thread I thought - nah EG wouldn't be that shallow just to dump players as soon as they can no longer use them for profit. It's obviously a numbers game rather than "proleague participation" (you'll note they kept Jaedong). I would never have the heart to do something like that but I probably have too much of a soul to be any good at turning a profit for a corporation. More power to you Mr. Garfield I suppose.
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Out of all the players that got cut, aLive is the one that surprises me the most. Yeah he wasn't a championship winner, but he was always a contender and posted good results.
I hope all of the find good new homes and continue pro gaming and attending tournaments.
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With Maru joining Jin Air and MarineKing retired earlier this year, it wouldn't surprise me to se Prime pick up aLive for their Proleague roster.
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Yeah good job - steal them from fnatic just to let them go later on ...
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Expected. Hope they can find new teams.
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On December 13 2013 17:55 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
Send them all to Prime?
Well, to be honest, that would leave them with 5 useable players this season.
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It makes sense when EG prefers the more popular players over performance. For example, did you care more about sOs/Dear or JaeDong when they played? Exactly. The one that has better fan base may be more likely to be looked upon what devices they have. EG probably doesn't want another faceless Korean.
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On December 13 2013 18:24 darkness wrote:
It makes sense when EG prefers the more popular players over performance. For example, did you care more about sOs/Dear or JaeDong when they played? Exactly. The one that has better fan base may be more likely to be looked upon what devices they have. EG probably doesn't want another faceless Korean.
Good post. It let me think about:
People should not blame EG, but themselves.
PS: Good post except for the "faceless korean" meme BS.
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Is EG scaling back their SC2 division as it sure looks like it unless they sign some new blood?. Machine must be on peanuts salary wise becuase he neither represents them in tournaments nor streaming
I wonder what their plans are, will it be just 2 key personal Incontrol as the front end and JD for the tournament results and nothing else?
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In other news, Machine is still with EG.
Could someone who knows the NA scene tell me if he's really visible there?
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im sure theyll find new homes, theyve proven throughout this year that theyre worth investing in. im just surprised they didnt at least keep revival on board after all his success at shanghai and wcs NA
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On December 13 2013 09:34 Shuriken812 wrote:
Guess eg is not my favorite team anymore :/
I guess to most fans, someone with a cool personality is better than a talented player :/
Again, why is machine even on the team?? When u have a player who qualified for blizzcon, u still keep some random, terrible player that not many people know about?
Hopefully they go to a team that values their talent, and not their personality
That was harsh by eg honestly, just throwing away peoples jobs even though u had a contract with them
I wonder how jaedong is, hes the only korean on eg now. I guess it wont matter too much, since egtl house closed, but i recall him saying in an interview that oz and him were really good friends, so that must suck
Best of luck to the three of them
There is basically nothing true in this post...man...
1. Exposure, personality and visibility ARE obviously more important then skill. If you are extremley good, you dont need a personality, cause everyone cheers for (Soulkey). But if not, you have to give other value for the sponsors. Would you spend 500 bucks+falt and beyond to revival, even if you COULD afford it??
2. Machine is another story. He has a worked out body wich is good for merchandise, is only part-time player, good friend this the guys in the teamhouse. He is, like InControl, not there to deliver results. He even plays warhammer 40K with Geoff =)
3. NOone throw away job!!! They had a 6 months contract and EG paid all the 6 months, although it was pretty clear for months that they were not participating in PL. Get your shit together man.
4. Jaedong is NOT the only Korean on EG
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On December 13 2013 07:44 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 07:39 j00pdaw00p wrote:
pure jokes when you choose a player like machine over them...i jus dont get it... As for Machine, I don't get it either, but Demuslim and Incontrol are probably worth a lot more to EG than aLive/Revival/Oz would ever be. They're popular, and no matter how much better the Korean trio is, they aren't. Popularity sells, and EG needs to make money.
Machine is probably well known in the NA-scene, plus he is the lowest payed player @EG (besides Xeno maybe). Cutting him would have no impact on the financial situation of EG, while cutting these three guys saves a bunch of cash. Im sure EG would have kept Alive, Oz and Revival if they would have been "satisfied" with a lower salary...
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On December 13 2013 18:48 herMan wrote:
In other news, Machine is still with EG.
Could someone who knows the NA scene tell me if he's really visible there?
It's been stated that he is know more or less the house manager for EG and already looking for new job opportunities.
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Northern Ireland24971 Posts
HerO didn't need his personality coaxed out, his shyness IS his personality and plenty find that endearing.
HerO was a fan favourite on play style alone almost straight out the bat, and has won a fair bit. Taeja is even less exposed in the way HerO is, his hallmark is how he CLAPS for god's sake :p.
TL do not have the same personality/stream centric model EG. They have a list of criteria over and above pure skill or pure marketability though
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EG loosing good players and keeping personality "players" is very EG. I like it, hope they keep it up. Respect!
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I always do respect them for making good business decisions and making sure they are viable long term. Forget the people who things wins are everything, playing the bills long term is everything.
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well, theres primes new roster
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On December 13 2013 21:14 Plansix wrote:
I always do respect them for making good business decisions and making sure they are viable long term. Forget the people who things wins are everything, playing the bills long term is everything.
It IS pretty hard to go to tournaments if your team cannot afford plane tickets.
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Northern Ireland24971 Posts
EG should have gone back to Proleague.
The Korean scene needs more outlets for its playerbase, it needs a shot in the arm to attempt to invigorate that scene. Ideally, Proleague needs more love being an established prestigious competition it'd be ideal.
If we're talking long-term for the overall scene from which EG feeds IMO it's a no-brainer unless the associated costs are MASSIVE
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I hope they'll end up in SPL.
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On December 13 2013 21:30 Wombat_NI wrote:
EG should have gone back to Proleague.
The Korean scene needs more outlets for its playerbase, it needs a shot in the arm to attempt to invigorate that scene. Ideally, Proleague needs more love being an established prestigious competition it'd be ideal.
If we're talking long-term for the overall scene from which EG feeds IMO it's a no-brainer unless the associated costs are MASSIVE
The time zone difference and general instability of the Korean scene(it's really not doing well, at all) make a venture like that a fairly substantial gamble. They would need more solid Koreans, a teamhouse in Korea and assorted functionaries and coaches.
I'm really not sure EG is all that invested in the long term health of the scene, they are an Esports team, not an SC2 team. I'm pretty sure they'd dump SC2 like an old newspaper if the fans bailed on it.
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On December 13 2013 21:18 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 21:14 Plansix wrote:
I always do respect them for making good business decisions and making sure they are viable long term. Forget the people who things wins are everything, playing the bills long term is everything. It IS pretty hard to go to tournaments if your team cannot afford plane tickets.
Flights from Korea killing Esports.
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On December 13 2013 23:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 21:18 Squat wrote:On December 13 2013 21:14 Plansix wrote:
I always do respect them for making good business decisions and making sure they are viable long term. Forget the people who things wins are everything, playing the bills long term is everything. It IS pretty hard to go to tournaments if your team cannot afford plane tickets. Flights from Korea killing Esports.
Gotta roll like Arnold in Twins, a boat, 2 oars and a pair of bulging biceps go a long way.
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On December 13 2013 18:08 BBS wrote:
Yeah good job - steal them from fnatic just to let them go later on ...
No one stole anyone from Fnatic. Oz and aLive both expressed their dissatisfaction while on Fnatic about their play. If you want to talk about stealing, ask TSL how they feel about aLive's transfer to them
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Every time EG releases players, people always ask about Machine...poor guy
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On December 13 2013 18:48 herMan wrote:
In other news, Machine is still with EG.
Could someone who knows the NA scene tell me if he's really visible there?
Maybe machine gets better viewer numbers on his stream than Oz,alive, revival. Machine is not very good even in a NA only tournament he wouldn't be very good. But I have a feeling he is on his last leg with the team.
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They are all great players. Shame, GL guys best of luck!
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Machine doesn't travel to tournaments and probably doesn't demand a very high salary.
When EG-TL lost coach Park, their team house and decided not to pursue Proleague, I guess this was expected but it's still sad. Hope they find new teams and hope EG picks up some new players.
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Invisible terran no :s
Please don't retire t.t
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When we talk about being a popular foreigner who has no skill and will never beat koreans.
EG. Destiny???
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On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it.
Nah please not, they already ruined one canadian top player. Please dont ruin another. Because Huk was clearly not just wining because of 4gate vs everything.
Well sad to see for them. But as Korea got stomped by WCS no reason to keep a expensive big Korean rooster.
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On December 14 2013 02:38 tadL wrote:Nah please not, they already ruined one canadian top player. Please dont ruin another. Because Huk was clearly not just wining because of 4gate vs everything. Well sad to see for them. But as Korea got stomped by WCS no reason to keep a expensive big Korean rooster.
Well she streamed yesterday, so clearly she will now turn into a stay-at-home ladder hero who streams all day and then cries when she loses to people who practice with other elite players every day. The concept seems familiar at least.
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It's their politically correct way of saying "we cant afford you, and heres a contract to prove it"...though understandably things like this happen =/. Hope the players find a new team!
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On December 14 2013 02:38 tadL wrote:Nah please not, they already ruined one canadian top player. Please dont ruin another. Because Huk was clearly not just wining because of 4gate vs everything. Well sad to see for them. But as Korea got stomped by WCS no reason to keep a expensive big Korean rooster.
Don't be silly, he was winning because of top three control.
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They were originally recruited to boost the EG PL roster and now that they aren't. It makes perfect sense because they don't bring much value otherwise. If they aren't giving EG the exposure they want then there is no need to give them a pay raise.
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I hope Oz and aLive find new teams.
Oz, though gimicky, had really cool builds while aLive was good but need to get over his confidence barrier
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On December 13 2013 07:39 j00pdaw00p wrote:
pure jokes when you choose a player like machine over them...i jus dont get it...
did you even read the OP?
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Russian Federation367 Posts
Alive is cute, I dont want him to retire QQ
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predicted after revival left.
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Was pretty obvious it was coming. Good luck to them in finding a new team! Now I feel I have less and less reasons to root for EG aside JD.
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They didnt have any more money to give these guys because they gave it ALL to Jaedong in his contract renewal
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Pretty sad to see them leave.
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EG and TL need to be focused on popular, homegrown talent if they want to expand. Like the move.
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On December 15 2013 22:10 dirtydurb82 wrote:
EG and TL need to be focused on popular, homegrown talent if they want to expand. Like the move.
That would be a great idea if there actually were any homegrown talent to speak of. If we're talking about streaming talent then sure, but NA and EU is not exactly churning out top contenders.
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On December 15 2013 22:10 dirtydurb82 wrote:
EG and TL need to be focused on popular, homegrown talent if they want to expand. Like the move.
Could you elaborate on which players from USA i.e homegrown talent they should be picking up?
The only presence they now have left in the SC2 scene is Jaedong and funnily enough hes Korean. Perhaps Team EG will be shifting focus away from SC2
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Northern Ireland24971 Posts
It'd be nice if there was room for both competitive focused players and streaming personalities/foreign favourites within the organisation.
This isn't a dig at EG, just a shame that it seems that it's what stream viewers want.
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On December 14 2013 03:47 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 02:38 tadL wrote:On December 13 2013 07:38 MCMXVI wrote:
Scarlett to EG soon(tm). Calling it. Nah please not, they already ruined one canadian top player. Please dont ruin another. Because Huk was clearly not just wining because of 4gate vs everything. Well sad to see for them. But as Korea got stomped by WCS no reason to keep a expensive big Korean rooster. Don't be silly, he was winning because of top three control.
He has top three control out of all the Canadians in EG.
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On December 16 2013 05:49 Wombat_NI wrote:
It'd be nice if there was room for both competitive focused players and streaming personalities/foreign favourites within the organisation.
This isn't a dig at EG, just a shame that it seems that it's what stream viewers want.
There is, Jaedong is very competitive, one of the best zergs in the world. But he's also very popular and a big draw. EG is in a position to pick and choose at this point, they've got the sponsors, the infrastructure, the connections etc. When they look for new players they can do so with the knowledge that those players need/want EG more than EG needs/wants them.
I could see them picking up someone like Maru or Rain/sOs, top 5 players in their race, but as for helping unknown players in NA with no viewer-base who want to compete and win stuff? It's such a massive investment in time and money for a very slim chance of success.
You can pick up someone who is already a champion or someone who is a big streamer with lots of viewers, both is guaranteed exposure and good PR. Picking up someone who fulfills neither of these criteria just doesn't make a tonne of sense business-vise.
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Oz and alive went so well with fnatic ;_;
too bad.
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On December 16 2013 07:42 Squat wrote:
I could see them picking up someone like Maru or Rain/sOs, top 5 players in their race, but as for helping unknown players in NA with no viewer-base who want to compete and win stuff? It's such a massive investment in time and money for a very slim chance of success.
And yet they picked Xeno and Suppy (who at that time was an up and comer)
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Northern Ireland24971 Posts
On December 16 2013 07:42 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2013 05:49 Wombat_NI wrote:
It'd be nice if there was room for both competitive focused players and streaming personalities/foreign favourites within the organisation.
This isn't a dig at EG, just a shame that it seems that it's what stream viewers want. There is, Jaedong is very competitive, one of the best zergs in the world. But he's also very popular and a big draw. EG is in a position to pick and choose at this point, they've got the sponsors, the infrastructure, the connections etc. When they look for new players they can do so with the knowledge that those players need/want EG more than EG needs/wants them. I could see them picking up someone like Maru or Rain/sOs, top 5 players in their race, but as for helping unknown players in NA with no viewer-base who want to compete and win stuff? It's such a massive investment in time and money for a very slim chance of success. You can pick up someone who is already a champion or someone who is a big streamer with lots of viewers, both is guaranteed exposure and good PR. Picking up someone who fulfills neither of these criteria just doesn't make a tonne of sense business-vise.
Oh for sure, albeit Jaedong is a bit of an outlier in terms of stream numbers and the like, even if he wasn't pulling in all these winnings from these tournaments he'd still be of some value to the EG brand given his history in BW. The only really comparable figure would be Flash probably, with that kind of legendary historical aura.
I don't even think a Maru or Rain would bring in good stream numbers particularly at this point, looking at some of the numbers that even players of Byun's calibre pull in compared to a year ago.
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This was inevitable. It's not like they could ever be even close to the level of play that Machine is at. Tough luck, but that's how it goes sometimes.
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On December 14 2013 06:23 LuckyGnomTV wrote:
Alive is cute, I dont want him to retire QQ
Alive aka BubblesTerran?
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On December 13 2013 14:39 Arceus wrote:
I dont know man, maybe thats why foreigner will forever be light years behind in skills. It's better to be an entertaining streamer rather than trying to improve
That's the sad state of American culture, beauty and personality over intelligence and skill level. Just turn on your T.V, hardly anything on that does not kill brain cells, dumb rich people making reality T.V shows is what sells in American culture.
So if you want to profit in America, you have to appeal to the mainstream market, that's what EG does, American based pop culture personality is easy to market and sell, get a strong following on players that fit those requirements and sponsors will flock to you.
It is pretty sad to see a company favor personality over skill in a Intelligent game like StarCraft 2. You don't see Main stream American sport teams draft players with less skill in favor of someone with less skill but looks better.
Famous athletes got famous based on their skill like Michael Jordan, not because he looks good and has a good personality. I wish American Esport teams would do the same, or Esports is just some random Entertainment like mtv music videos which is sad. Hope the Koreans EG let go find teams, they been with StarCraft 2 from the start and have brought us a lot of good games.
Really makes me cringe when I see super models pretending to be pro gamers and stream for money, leaves a huge sick feeling in my tummy.
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Northern Ireland24971 Posts
I made the mistake of just checking out some of the other games and their streamers
I got the Twitch app on my phone, and it routes you through the homepage, and I had a look at some of the other games and streamers who were dwarfing true quality gamers. Thought I might see some cool stuff, oh my GOD the horrors
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On December 16 2013 08:44 Wombat_NI wrote:
I made the mistake of just checking out some of the other games and their streamers
I got the Twitch app on my phone, and it routes you through the homepage, and I had a look at some of the other games and streamers who were dwarfing true quality gamers. Thought I might see some cool stuff, oh my GOD the horrors
Husky is still the most popular SC caster on youtube and it's not even close. LoL is crushing every other game in the market in viewership numbers. That should tell us something.
Modern gaming culture is now a mirror of modern media, shallow, willfully ignorant, completely lacking intellectual curiosity and all about surface over substance. Watching someone spew invectives and cuss out his team/opponents in chat is far more interesting than someone actually playing to succeed and improve in a difficult game.
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On December 16 2013 08:41 LingBlingBling wrote:
Famous athletes got famous based on their skill
Sure, sure that's why everybody knows Tim duncan as much as Kobe Bryant.
That's why Iverson was so popular because he was the best player in early 2000. Not because he was a average joe size with a flashy (yet ineficient as hell) playstyle.
That's why a scalabrine is much less known than a Jarett Jack or any mid level NBA basketball player.
And that is why Bryant just sign a 2 years max deal with LAL, because he is on the top of the Baskball world right know.
Or maybe it's because he can fill the Staple Center just by himself and sell a lot of jersey and shit.
It's the same everywhere. Skill alone doesn't sells jersey flashyness does, tittle only matter because they make you sell more jersey. Is Arsenal popular because they are the best ? or because of their entertaining playstyle ?
Ryan Giggs is probably one of the best football player of all time, yet who does know him ? not your average joe
Iniesta is so freaking godly, yet you don't heard of him near as much as messi.
Can you give me 20 top defender in less than a minute ? I'm sure you can tell 20 scorers.
Edit : I'm not saying that skill doesn't matter, it does a lot. But it's the same as in starcraft, the goal is not so much to win but to make money therefore sealing jersey and to do that skill is the not the only thing that matters.
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On December 13 2013 07:39 j00pdaw00p wrote:
pure jokes when you choose a player like machine over them...i jus dont get it...
With respect he is probably on a lower salary.
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Northern Ireland24971 Posts
Ryan Giggs is pretty damn well known and lauded over here, as is Scholes. At their peaks though, in terms of the average Joe Beckham had a lot more public recognition, so point taken.
On Messi he is the best player of this generation, and rather shy and retiring in terms of the charisma. He's popular almost solely on his skills. Ronaldinho had his charm and charisma, not the best looking guy and was similarly regarded because he was damn good.
You're hitting another area I feel with some of these sport analogies. It's still about their skill levels, but defenders are less renowned among Joe Public becaus their skillset is less flashy or 'skillful'
Of we were to bring it to SC2, I'd compare that disparity to how 'legit' and 'cheesy' players are received in differing ways.
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SC2 players are famous because :
1- Top player, championship contender (Taeja, Bogus, Soulkey ect)
2- Personality/Bringing entertainment while beeing good (Parting, MC, top foreigners)
Low profile, not flashy players (playstyle or cerenomies) but good like alive are less marketable (and so are some of the athletes I've been talking about). Therefore make less money. I really fell the analogie is good.
And if you wanna talk about low GM player making more money than the like of alive (Incontrol, Destiny). In my opinion they are not athlete as they are personality. They do not compete they make money around esport.
They are much more attention bringer than competitor they should not count as player even if they play the game. It's like if the public relationship advisor of a football club was making a shit ton of money and was put on the same scale than the pros because he plays football during his sunday mornings (actually my analogie is shit because he is making less money but you see my point i hope )
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On December 16 2013 08:41 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 14:39 Arceus wrote:
I dont know man, maybe thats why foreigner will forever be light years behind in skills. It's better to be an entertaining streamer rather than trying to improve It is pretty sad to see a company favor personality over skill in a Intelligent game like StarCraft 2.
Actually, they do that because the community favor personality over skill by far
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On December 13 2013 07:44 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 07:39 j00pdaw00p wrote:
pure jokes when you choose a player like machine over them...i jus dont get it... As for Machine, I don't get it either, but Demuslim and Incontrol are probably worth a lot more to EG than aLive/Revival/Oz would ever be. They're popular, and no matter how much better the Korean trio is, they aren't. Popularity sells, and EG needs to make money.
I think Machine does not get much of a salary for whatever he puts in gaming-wise. I think he's far more important to EG behind the scenes. I have to admit, I don't know much about it, but I can't imagine them keeping Machine for his in-game performances.
All the other players make sense. Thorzain is probably still under contract, HuK, Suppy and Demuslim performed about on-par for what was expected of them, I think, and are very marketable personalities. Incontrol is a media magnet and probably responsible for about 95% of their sponsors staying with them
Jaedong is the Dong. You don't just let him go... plus, he HAS to get over his Kong status at some point in 2014
Not quite sure why JYP was kept on over Revival, Oz or aLive, but it's probably got something to do with their contracts.
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This story shows why US Server is the lowest. And demonstrates the egocentric, individualist system problem in the US.
From the country who praises talent and merit is quite funny.
I didn't forget EG was the lose team few months ago. It won't change a lot. JD is the only player from EG who performs. And he hides the deep lack of skill in this team.
Eg didn't have any financial problem so, speaking about personality over skill is quite stupid. It just shows what is your style. EG prefers money over trophies. OK ! Money won't get you trophies, skill does.
And don't talk about football when you don't know what you're talking about ...
User was warned for this post
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On March 06 2014 10:26 tensai_sendo wrote:
This story shows why US Server is the lowest. And demonstrates the egocentric, individualist system problem in the US.
From the country who praises talent and merit is quite funny.
I didn't forget EG was the lose team few months ago. It won't change a lot. JD is the only player from EG who performs. And he hides the deep lack of skill in this team.
Eg didn't have any financial problem so, speaking about personality over skill is quite stupid. It just shows what is your style. EG prefers money over trophies. OK ! Money won't get you trophies, skill does.
And don't talk about football when you don't know what you're talking about ...
What the... what? I don't understand. Are you just trying to hate on EG and America?
EDIT: It's your first post, never mind. Sick necro, dude.
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On March 06 2014 10:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 10:26 tensai_sendo wrote:
This story shows why US Server is the lowest. And demonstrates the egocentric, individualist system problem in the US.
From the country who praises talent and merit is quite funny.
I didn't forget EG was the lose team few months ago. It won't change a lot. JD is the only player from EG who performs. And he hides the deep lack of skill in this team.
Eg didn't have any financial problem so, speaking about personality over skill is quite stupid. It just shows what is your style. EG prefers money over trophies. OK ! Money won't get you trophies, skill does.
And don't talk about football when you don't know what you're talking about ...
What the... what? I don't understand. Are you just trying to hate on EG and America? EDIT: It's your first post, never mind. Sick necro, dude.
Haha wow. Yeah... the only reason EG signed thsoe players in the first place was for Proleague. No longer doing proleague, no longer need as many players. It sucks to see them leave EG, but it makes sense. I'm very happy for Revival now that he's on CM Storm along with Polt.
Super sick first post necro indeed
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