On September 19 2014 19:40 SuperHofmann wrote: soO deserves the BlizzCon more than anyone. No way.
I would not say more than anyone but with Jaedong and particularly Snute doing basically nothing all year just attending so many events picking up round of 8/16 points it would be pretty tragic to see them qualify over him
He's been in every Ro4 for the most difficult region all year, if he wins in the semis he's been in every final. I'd say he almost certainly deserves it more than anyone else.
Consistency is great however at a certain point if he cannot get it done and win a major event that is a problem
Obviously, Soo doesn't deserve it more than Zest and maybe even Classic. But I would argue he deserves it more than just about everybody else, especially the guys who racked all their points getting consistent Ro8 and Ro16 in foreign tournaments, getting 125-250 points beating a single Korean.
soO got 2 shots, GSL and dreamhack stockolm. My bonjwa sense tells me his chances are above 60% But its just my bonjwa sense after all. Also my anti-bonjwa sense is crying because i think jaedong is out Im already chanting 2015 year of Jaedong.
The numbers on front page are not updated with GSL right? Because they are different from the chart. Turns out my bonjwa sense that i mentioned above is statistically accurate, but when the numbers get updated my comment will start to make no sense Nice feature btw, gives a nice idea of how important each tournament is for each player edit: what is wrong with Scarlett chances with RBB results? 8th and 2nd is the same? o_O and 4th is better wtf edit2: at least for me the "first post on thread shows ~30.68% for soO
The numbers on front page are not updated with GSL right? Because they are different from the chart. Turns out my bonjwa sense that i mentioned above is statistically accurate, but when the numbers get updated my comment will start to make no sense Nice feature btw, gives a nice idea of how important each tournament is for each player
It is updated with GSL, you can tell cause it's only 4 players left soO had a big gain. I update the stats usually a few times every day.
On September 17 2014 00:32 Dingodile wrote: I still dont understand why Scarlett, Cure and DRG get some points automatically. What happened?
It's because the tournaments they won to qualify did not give WCS points. If you get WCS points and a seed to get more WCS points then it's double dipping, it would basically be a cheap trick to have your tournament give more WCS points than Blizzard allows, so they have these rules in place. It would be pretty dumb if you won a tournament to get 750 WCS points, and then get seeded to automatically get at least 250 more lol.
Well... then Parting and sOs didn't get WCS points either for RBBG:NY, but that is from last year. who knows what kind of agreement Red Bull and Blizzard came out with.
Because last year it was after Blizzcon, as well as Hot6ix Cup and WCG.
Red Bull Washington - sOs is at ~ 58.75 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 57.51 % of the time sOs wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 99.65 %. ~ 42.49 % of the time sOs loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 3.39 %. ------------------------------------------------- - DongRaeGu is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 51.46 % of the time DongRaeGu wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %. ~ 48.54 % of the time DongRaeGu loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Bomber is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 48.65 % of the time Bomber wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %. ~ 51.35 % of the time Bomber loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Trap is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 42.37 % of the time Trap wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %. ~ 57.63 % of the time Trap loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.
Red Bull Washington - Polt is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 50.5 % of the time Polt wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %. ~ 49.5 % of the time Polt loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %. ------------------------------------------------- - PartinG is at ~ 0 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 50.14 % of the time PartinG wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0 %. ~ 49.86 % of the time PartinG loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Scarlett is at ~ 19.49 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 49.88 % of the time Scarlett wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 20.16 %. ~ 50.12 % of the time Scarlett loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 18.84 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Cure is at ~ 0.05 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 49.48 % of the time Cure wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.09 %. ~ 50.52 % of the time Cure loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.01 %.
Winning Chances sOs has a ~ 15.77 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 58.75 % to ~ 100 % Polt has a ~ 14.98 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 % Scarlett has a ~ 14.19 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 19.49 % to ~ 23.18 % PartinG has a ~ 13.81 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Cure has a ~ 12.56 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.05 % to ~ 0.32 % Bomber has a ~ 10.55 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 % DongRaeGu has a ~ 10.44 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 % Trap has a ~ 7.7 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0 % to ~ 0 %
Biggest Winners Jaedong went up by ~ 14.23 %, going from ~ 60.34 % to ~ 74.57 % Snute went up by ~ 13.31 %, going from ~ 49.35 % to ~ 62.67 % soO went up by ~ 8.06 %, going from ~ 62.36 % to ~ 70.42 % MMA went up by ~ 4.9 %, going from ~ 62.35 % to ~ 67.25 % herO went up by ~ 3.83 %, going from ~ 93.95 % to ~ 97.78 % Life went up by ~ 2.73 %, going from ~ 95.91 % to ~ 98.65 % YoDa went up by ~ 2.03 %, going from ~ 11.69 % to ~ 13.72 % Pigbaby went up by ~ 1.29 %, going from ~ 9.74 % to ~ 11.02 % Heart went up by ~ 1.26 %, going from ~ 5.05 % to ~ 6.31 % Classic went up by ~ 0.83 %, going from ~ 98.94 % to ~ 99.77 % HuK went up by ~ 0.69 %, going from ~ 2.53 % to ~ 3.22 % HerO went up by ~ 0.36 %, going from ~ 7.87 % to ~ 8.22 % Bunny went up by ~ 0.36 %, going from ~ 13.63 % to ~ 13.98 % MaNa went up by ~ 0.35 %, going from ~ 1.03 % to ~ 1.38 % Golden went up by ~ 0.28 %, going from ~ 3.13 % to ~ 3.41 % INnoVation went up by ~ 0.25 %, going from ~ 29.69 % to ~ 29.94 % Scarlett went up by ~ 0.24 %, going from ~ 19.5 % to ~ 19.74 % ForGG went up by ~ 0.16 %, going from ~ 11.13 % to ~ 11.29 %
Biggest Loser sOs went down by ~ 55.29 %, going from ~ 58.8 % to ~ 3.51 %
On September 21 2014 03:57 digmouse wrote: Is sOs' loss the biggest drop down in chances ever in the history of WCS? Going from 58% to less than 3% is mindblowing.
It might be the biggest cause he was near 92% at one point, but that was also when I thought none of the 8 at red bull were guaranteed points.
On September 21 2014 03:57 digmouse wrote: Is sOs' loss the biggest drop down in chances ever in the history of WCS? Going from 58% to less than 3% is mindblowing.
It might be the biggest cause he was near 92% at one point, but that was also when I thought none of the 8 at red bull were guaranteed points.
Ah yes, Cure, Scarlett and DRG are guaranteed 250 points since they are seeded through qualifiers, the rest needs to advance to RO4 to receive points.
On September 20 2014 03:40 Superbanana wrote: soO got 2 shots, GSL and dreamhack stockolm. My bonjwa sense tells me his chances are above 60% But its just my bonjwa sense after all. Also my anti-bonjwa sense is crying because i think jaedong is out Im already chanting 2015 year of Jaedong.
soO cannot play GSL and Stockholm simultaneously. Stockholm group stage 2 (that's where he'll be seeded) starts 5 hours after his GSL semifinal match starts, unless soO is a teleporter of course.
Whatever, this is extremely skewed by proleague which is just not comparable to playing individual leagues. In the proleague format, a big part of your success is the coach's decision to give you a specific map and try to gamble on a specific kind of opponent.
I agree with giving GSL more points, it would make all the sense in the world. But the argument for this is not Flash's, Rain's and sOs's winrate massively based on PL.
On September 21 2014 05:38 opisska wrote: Whatever, this is extremely skewed by proleague which is just not comparable to playing individual leagues. In the proleague format, a big part of your success is the coach's decision to give you a specific map and try to gamble on a specific kind of opponent.
I agree with giving GSL more points, it would make all the sense in the world. But the argument for this is not Flash's, Rain's and sOs's winrate massively based on PL.
PL is Bo1, a lot of those games came from Bo3 and Bo5 in foreign tournaments and Kespa cup. Even ignoring that, it's ridiculous to give coaches all or even most of the credit for proleague wins.
Also, Innovation played no PL games and had a higher winrate against Koreans than any WCS NA or EU player.
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