EPTKoreans Are Here to Stay - WCS America 2014 - Page 2
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TeslasPigeon
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HeadlessWonder
United States1096 Posts
Daisy MVP ForGG San will have to win a bo5 | ||
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labixiaoxin
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On November 21 2013 16:42 b0rt_ wrote: I don't get what the problem is. If Koreans are better then let them play unrestricted, this is how competition markets works. So you're saying the Chinese soccer team should be replaced by Brazilians? Because Brazil is known for having the best soccer players in the world... "Because we only want to see the best soccer players, we should let them play in China!" (you can replace the countries here with whatever country). Or how about the NBA in the USA goes around to another country and replaces all of that country's competitors... That's why something needed to change...and it seems not much did sadly. If you want to foster regional competition you sort of need people from that region...or country, or what not. | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
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robertpires87
Northern Ireland87 Posts
On November 21 2013 17:07 avilo wrote: So you're saying the Chinese soccer team should be replaced by Brazilians? Because Brazil is known for having the best soccer players in the world... "Because we only want to see the best soccer players, we should let them play in China!" (you can replace the countries here with whatever country). Or how about the NBA in the USA goes around to another country and replaces all of that country's competitors... That's why something needed to change...and it seems not much did sadly. If you want to foster regional competition you sort of need people from that region...or country, or what not. For me WCS NA is supposed to be like US Open, not like the Davis Cup (national teams), where the best of the best of the world compete to become the champion. If the best of the best are mostly Koreans, so be it. Regional competition should be conducted by local sponsors and local tournaments. It is not Blizzard's fault that there is a lack of demand for NA only SC2 tournaments | ||
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ManiacUA
Ukraine29 Posts
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calh
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Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
On November 21 2013 17:25 robertpires87 wrote: For me WCS NA is supposed to be like US Open, not like the Davis Cup (national teams), where the best of the best of the world compete to become the champion. If the best of the best are mostly Koreans, so be it. Regional competition should be conducted by local sponsors and local tournaments. It is not Blizzard's fault that there is a lack of demand for NA only SC2 tournaments I think avilo is right on that point. WCS NA should NOT be "US Open" where the best of the best meet. Blizzcon is the event, where the best of the best meet. WCS NA should be for NA players. You cannot argue, that only skill matters. If that was right, the soccer WM would consist of 18 European Teams and 6 South America Teams. More skill, but less fun to watch for sure. I opted for a more intensive region lock but im fine with blizzards decision. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
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lystier
China877 Posts
 i'd rather hope they can go back to KR and play some excellent matches | ||
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Pandahunterz
Netherlands213 Posts
The REAL problem is that non-americans/europeans (mostly Koreans) who have given up their own country and now live in America/Europe are still disallowed to play in WCS america/eu, just because of their nationality. This is just discrimination and they aren't even trying to conceal it. What will be the next step? Only allowing "full-blood Americans and Europeans" to participate? Isn't the whole point of WCS to show who the best players in the world are, no matter their nationality? How could one even consider forcing someone to play in GSL just because of their nationality. Koreans can't help it they are dominating the western scene, why should they be punished for being good (or AM/EU being bad) Sc2 players. Well this is just my opinion. I'm sure a lot of people would disagree. Feel free to say so, but also explain your reason please  | ||
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AmuseD
Netherlands133 Posts
On November 21 2013 18:50 Pandahunterz wrote: This whole region lock is just a mess. The goal of the entire WCS system is to let the best players in the world face off against each other and prove who is officially the best player at the moment, NOT to give players all over the world, no matter how bad they are, an equal chance to get to the finals and get ranked higher than players with more skill, but living in a other part of the world. But ok i get the thought behind it, if no Americans would play, they would lose many American viewers, fair enough. The REAL problem is that non-americans/europeans (mostly Koreans) who have given up their own country and now live in America/Europe are still disallowed to play in WCS america/eu, just because of their nationality. This is just discrimination and they aren't even trying to conceal it. What will be the next step? Only allowing "full-blood Americans and Europeans" to participate? Isn't the whole point of WCS to show who the best players in the world are, no matter their nationality? How could one even consider forcing someone to play in GSL just because of their nationality. Koreans can't help it they are dominating the western scene, why should they be punished for being good (or AM/EU being bad) Sc2 players. Well this is just my opinion. I'm sure a lot of people would disagree. Feel free to say so, but also explain your reason please I thought in the original OP they stated that you have to proof residency within a certain region. So the koreans player that do lives in the US or elsewhere within Wcs AM can just play within that region And also, If you look at all the other sports in the world. Certain cups are for the best of the best ( Champions league for football ) and some cups are for teams all over the world. I do agree that with the WCS partial region locked I think that the Korean scene will just overthrow the rest of the other WCS regions.... Which thought is saddening. | ||
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Marcinko
South Africa1014 Posts
On November 21 2013 18:50 Pandahunterz wrote: + Show Spoiler + This whole region lock is just a mess. The goal of the entire WCS system is to let the best players in the world face off against each other and prove who is officially the best player at the moment, NOT to give players all over the world, no matter how bad they are, an equal chance to get to the finals and get ranked higher than players with more skill, but living in a other part of the world. But ok i get the thought behind it, if no Americans would play, they would lose many American viewers, fair enough. The REAL problem is that non-americans/europeans (mostly Koreans) who have given up their own country and now live in America/Europe are still disallowed to play in WCS america/eu, just because of their nationality. This is just discrimination and they aren't even trying to conceal it. What will be the next step? Only allowing "full-blood Americans and Europeans" to participate? Isn't the whole point of WCS to show who the best players in the world are, no matter their nationality? How could one even consider forcing someone to play in GSL just because of their nationality. Koreans can't help it they are dominating the western scene, why should they be punished for being good (or AM/EU being bad) Sc2 players. Well this is just my opinion. I'm sure a lot of people would disagree. Feel free to say so, but also explain your reason please Q. What are the requirements for a player who wants to compete in a specific country or region's Qualifiers? If a player would like to compete in a Qualifier for a specific country or region, that player must be either a citizen, be a permanent resident (Green Card) or have a valid, non-visitor visa for a country in that region which would allow them to compete in the Qualifier. I understand it as a person like Polt who is studying in the USA will count towards the NA region and not as a Korean. So if a person stays in a country he counts for that region as long as he has the correct Visa. Can't see anything wrong with that. | ||
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Gaius Baltar
United States449 Posts
1. The higher prize pool of the GSL may lure some of the very top players back to Korea 2. Even if only 1-2 Koreans are eliminated from Challenger league each season, they're gone for good unless they get back in through wildcard 3. In Challenger, Koreans who qualify through wildcard may face Koreans dropped down from Premier #1 is probably the hardest to predict. Other factors may cancel each other out in the long run. | ||
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
They were going to piss off people no matter what they did. Personally I feel like the main problem is there is just not enough money in WCS Korea, comparatively speaking. If you look at the number of pros to prize money ratio, its really, really bad. | ||
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Mirrikh
Romania105 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
Meeting their manager Edison was an absolute pleasure, so I hope the iG players are able to find ways to compete in WCS | ||
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
On November 21 2013 19:46 Gamegene wrote: I wonder what happens to Jim and MacSed. Meeting their manager Edison was an absolute pleasure, so I hope the iG players are able to find ways to compete in WCS They're still in WCS; MacSed will play WCS AM Premier, whilst Jim will be playing Challenger, together with Top, another Chinese player. Another three Chinese will qualify to AM Challenger through the regional cups. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
Oh well. | ||
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