EPTKoreans Are Here to Stay - WCS America 2014 - Page 4
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
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oneill12
Romania1222 Posts
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
I think, with this system, eventually Koreans will become less and less prevalent in the league for a bunch of reasons. Foreign skill will increase (slowly) as they have more incentive to play, and there will be the inevitable group stage of premier where three Koreans will be in the same group, effectively eliminating one and making it daunting for them to requalify. Enough time and the system will de-incentivize too many Koreans from coming in and taking all those sweet, sweet esports dollars. | ||
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
the America scene will continue to struggle | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On November 21 2013 21:43 NarutO wrote: If you 'ban' the Koreans the competition is worse and natural human behaviour is being lazy. If you can win prize money by beating other players from your region which you obivously already can (and most of the US players can) , most of them won't practice hard to begin with, because its not needed to place highly. Also it completely makes the Blizzcon finals what Blizzard doesn't want it to be. Just another tournament. It should be the best of the best and the WCS system in 2014 won't provide that. Also to your note that you could compete in Europe, you are very welcome here. Happy will be your present. EU and NA players practice hard when it comes down to WCS i can asure you that no matter what oponents they face. Koreans can already participate in every tournament in the world + WCS KR , can you give me a reason why they should be allowed to play on WCS NA or WCS EU ? The only koreans that should be able to participate should be those who help the specific region such as : ForGG , Stardust etc. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On November 22 2013 00:08 xsnac wrote: EU and NA players practice hard when it comes down to WCS i can asure you that no matter what oponents they face. Koreans can already participate in every tournament in the world + WCS KR , can you give me a reason why they should be allowed to play on WCS NA or WCS EU ? The only koreans that should be able to participate should be those who help the specific region such as : ForGG , Stardust etc. Can you tell me a reason why rich and strong people don't enslave poor and weak? Its not right. If you make a WCS (World Championship Series) its a world competition, this includes people that are willing to accept disadvantages or travel time to participate. Those Koreans are willing to do so and even with those disadvantages (even though NA/KR isnt was bad) they manage to win against the competition. As I said, feel free to host events for the NA/EU scene anytime in a smaller scale, but if its about world competition, you shouldn't ban anyone. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
In fact, it will be much easier for these players to get into Code A in korea, where they also happen to live. This might cause the people who aren't sure they will always be in the system to go back to korea. It's only really worth the risk if you are a Jaedong, Taeja, Polt... players that will not drop out before hell freezes over. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
On November 22 2013 00:10 Darkhoarse wrote: So advancement from last season's challenger doesn't really mean anything? It automatically seeds you into Challenger for first season of 2014. Otherwise you would have to go through the qualifiers just to get into Challenger. | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
On November 21 2013 21:43 NarutO wrote: If you 'ban' the Koreans the competition is worse and natural human behaviour is being lazy. If you can win prize money by beating other players from your region which you obivously already can (and most of the US players can) , most of them won't practice hard to begin with, because its not needed to place highly. Also it completely makes the Blizzcon finals what Blizzard doesn't want it to be. Just another tournament. It should be the best of the best and the WCS system in 2014 won't provide that. Also to your note that you could compete in Europe, you are very welcome here. Happy will be your present. You're neglecting a huge flaw in that logic. If the Koreans are part of an NA tournament where the prize money is negligible until you get to the top, you have to weigh your options. Do you A) play 20 hours a day on the NA ladder (or KR ladder with lag) to get to possibly the level the Koreans are at currently in an attempt to beat them to the top, or do you B) ... not forsake any sort of fun and home life, or school and career because you can't do anything else and realize that your chances are incredibly slim no matter the amount of effort you put in? When there is a real, attainable goal that isn't outside the realm of possibility (such as beating the best NA players) then that's something that you can work your ass towards and eventually attain. Players aren't going to be lazy about this, the first NA pro that gets knocked out of this tournament will work twice as hard to get back in, in theory, because they can. It will create a clear, constant improvement of players as each one tries to get one up on the next one. Having the extreme goal of beating the best Koreans consistently is absolutely what we want eventually, but we wont get there overnight and dissuading those pros with the talent to get there by beating them to death with the truck that is the higher level Korean players is the wrong way to improve quality of play. Things aren't nearly the same in Korea as they are in the "foreigner" countries and we can't just copy and paste the same play environment and expect them to end up the same way. It's absolutely unattainable. I think you're completely wrong in your belief that the 2014 system will provide the best games at blizzcon, but I'm willing to believe that time will tell. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On November 22 2013 00:42 opisska wrote: I would really like to see Ro16 100% Korean from now on (easily possible), just as a kick in the face for all the fans of region lock Probably will happen in America but no way it can happen in Europe. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
However, I don't care as long as Jaedong is there :D <<< 100% bias if Jaedong is there and 100% against the current system if Jaedong goes elsewhere | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
On November 22 2013 01:49 LimeNade wrote: wooooo these changes are huge for WCS NA! Oh wait........ you mean you are limiting the amount of koreans that can qualify for a season but they already have 19 spots occupied in NA. GLHF to any foreigner trying to compete in WCS NA. I'm guessing a whole lot of players will be retiring after not making it into season 1 of 2014 or after getting mopped up by the koreans that will probably have at least 12 players in premiere league. However, I don't care as long as Jaedong is there :D <<< 100% bias if Jaedong is there and 100% against the current system if Jaedong goes elsewhere You are never going to have a Perfect system but this is a good step in the right direction. | ||
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vesicular
United States1311 Posts
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
My GOMTV ticket was horribly underused this year.... every day I would go to watch SC2, and I all I would see is lists and lists of videos for freaking World of Tanks and very little Starcraft. I expect next year will be better! Maybe this will give a reason for MKP to come back in LotV someday? :D One can only hope. | ||
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FuRRie
Belgium815 Posts
While I love seeing foreigners play, I'd rather see a "good" Korean then another "mediocre" foreigner. | ||
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Footler
United States560 Posts
I don't really have a problem either way, I enjoy watching players like Polt, Hyun. Hero and Taeja but it definitely will be nice if by America Season 3 we have better representation from the other nations. | ||
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Imagine42
United States73 Posts
On November 22 2013 00:06 JP Dayne wrote: now with numbers more explained, and names, the region lock means almost nothing the America scene will continue to struggle Continually blaming someone else for the lack of a weaker US scene is going to accomplish nothing. Blizz pretty much made the only and probably best call here, the Koreans that are in will stay in until they can be knocked out by someone in the Americas ladder. It's now up to the NA players to take advantage of the situation. | ||
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