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On November 22 2013 04:57 ctbower5 wrote:
The prize pools have to change - especially if you're bringing in more NA foreigners. There's no way you can justify paying out the current money to a NA player not named Scarlett [or I guess Polt if we're going by Blizzard's definition]. Korea needs to be bigger - NA smaller - EU is probably fine where it is. I don't think enough people are acknowledging the viewership issues that may come with less Koreans in the bracket. Sure the TL crowd wants to cheer for the locals - but the casual fan is just going to see a crappy performance and move on. There's no way NA can compete with the talent coming out of EU
Much less ever hope to make a dent running up against Korea.
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On November 22 2013 04:30 Pirfiktshon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 04:14 StarStruck wrote:On November 22 2013 04:10 Zygno wrote:
WCS America is sadly still gonna be WCS Korea 2.0. That isn`t what I`d call sad considering those players earned their right to compete in those prelims. If anything foreigners have to pick up the pace and they need more practice against these guys. Like QxC and Demuslim both have pointed out in interviews and such You don't get any real practice vses these players until these events.... Then its 1 BO3 and you are out ...... You don't get a whole lot of practice against them thats why ALOT of players are ok with them playing in NA or EU as long as they practice there in the first place..... Korean don't want to do that though because the best place to practice is ..... KOREA! LOL It's definitely the complete definition of a catch 22.
and what do you think I`ve said time and time again? Maybe people should be looking more into what I propose. You know, someone who is unbiased and has no more affiliation to any organization in this line of sport. There is a way to do such things, but Blizzard likes doing things their own way and rather not kibosh what they had completely. Instead we get patches hue. I'm well aware of all the intricacies and problems associated with each format, but there is a way to make everyone get just a little better and they goes back to the idea of more kicks at the can. This should sound familiar to anyone who reads about formats, region-locking, etc. considering I keep bringing up such things as well as point out the con's and pro's of each.
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they could've blocked koreans from playing in the WCS AM qualifier entirely for this year and/or mix up the challenger league matches so it's random instead of old vs new
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Well at least now we'll have more home-grown talent competing and not immediately getting knocked out by Koreans.
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Since this is a bit rough on players from the SEA region as well I'd love to see that opened as a WCS region as well. Everything I've seen suggests this is still unlikely though, yeah?
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On November 22 2013 04:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 03:02 SinO[Ob] wrote:On November 22 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On November 22 2013 02:33 SinO[Ob] wrote:On November 22 2013 02:28 Incubus1993 wrote:
For quite a while until recently I was angry at the sheer amount of Code A&B Koreans (Not the top finishers) owning the NA region through the online qualifiers and knocking all the foreigners out for easy money overnight. It still is a good idea to have a partial region lock, the best would be a residential lock, as in you have to be living (no citizenship) in the region you're playing in. They've changed that mostly for 2014 which is good.
Still, after WCS 2013 being and looking at the results. I have 0 sympathy for foreigners. Them or their fans shouldn't expect to be given any advantages, direct or indirect. If they aren't getting results, too freaking bad. The money and finishes should go to the best players, buckle the fuck down and practice more if you want to win. Stop streaming all the time and giving your opponents something to study if you want to seriously compete. Despite what some morons say, the overwhelming majority of skill doesn't come from them "being Asian/Korean". It comes from hard work, dedication, and practice..... practice..... hey! More practice! If they don't commit hard to the game then they won't get results, retire and get a job or go to school. You have a point here sir. Maybe less streaming session and more of "I need to win/get into RO4 to have money". Streaming giving to much easy money and maybe foreigners players count too much on that. (I said MAYBE,plz dont hurt me). Sadly, bills and rent are OP and can't be nerfed by Blizzard, so streaming will always be necessary for players, especially of they want sponsors. Well you will get more sponsors by kicking asses in tournaments than ladder :>. That doesn't really help you if yor rent is due in 2 weeks or you've got some student loans that are due.
I feel like everyone should know that the life of a progamer isn't really that well paying unless you have a really big stream OR you are actually winning things. I would hope that these players knew exactly what they were getting into before they took the jump.
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"Sometimes, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette"
Sorry, but that's such a nonsense. These aren't foods, these are humans. Humans, who dedicated their lives to esports and risked a lot playing in US. To kick them out of WCS AM would kick quite some of them instant out of esports, standing there with empty hands, not prepared for alternatives in their lives.
Blizzard did the only right thing - they're taking responsibility for what they had caused. It could have been better from the beginning, but one can't act like the things, that happened, didn't happen.
I have to say, I'm seriously appalled to read such a thing here on TL from you, Waxangel 
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Actually, I don't like this article as a featured news item at all.
It seems to me like Waxangel doesn't agree with the desicions made by Blizzard or is applying some weird system of critical journalism. I think the debate about this must go on, but I don't like it that one opinion is stated this clearly in such an article.
If it was a blog post however, there wouldn't be any problem for me.
For me, I like the changes Blizzard made, even though there is still this "flaw" (some wouldn't call it a flaw, but a necessary thing to have Koreans in WCS AM) in the system. And it would be a bit unfair to throw all the Koreans out, when you're trying to get a mix of local talent and good players from other regions.
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On November 22 2013 02:28 Incubus1993 wrote:
For quite a while until recently I was angry at the sheer amount of Code A/B level Koreans owning the NA region via online and knocking all the regular and up and coming foreigners out for easy money and points.
But after WCS 2013 and looking at the results. I have 0 sympathy for foreigners. Them or their fans shouldn't expect to be given any advantages, direct or indirect. If they aren't getting results, too freaking bad. The money and finishes should go to the best players, buckle the fuck down and practice more if you want to win. Stop streaming all the time and giving your opponents a platter of information to study if you want to seriously compete. Despite what some morons say, the overwhelming majority of skill doesn't come from them "being Asian/Korean". It comes from hard work, dedication, and practice..... practice..... and hey, you guessed it, MORE PRACTICE! If they don't commit hard to the game then they won't get results. Retire, get a job, or go to school.
However, after reading the post by Blizzard. I expect 2014 to be a much better year for WCS. They gained a lot of knowledge and experience from 2013.
You're wrong on two counts. Firstly, talent is relevant, but only in two places: at the very bottom, where nobody is practicing, and at the very top, where everybody is practicing their hearts out. You think everybody could become MVP if they just practiced as hard as MVP? Hell no. Nobody could say the same for Flash, Jaedong, Nestea or really any of the other greats. Talent is very relevant.
Secondly, Koreans are better than foreigners because they have 1: more reason to succeed and 2: more resources to succeed. Has it ever occurred to you that the vast majority of the top players in the entire world live within only about 100 miles of each other? Hell, the very best live even closer than that. This proximity, both in real life and on the internet (Korean server), breeds more talent because of accessibility. Korea's dominance is self-sustaining because of this. They have access to the very best practice partners, the very best guides, the very best coaches, the most practice partners and the most coaches. They also very likely have more access to friends that play Starcraft than nearly anywhere else in the world. Also, they have extremely easy access to teamhouses, where they don't need to worry about rent, cleaning, dishes, buying food, cooking food, other jobs or anything else but Starcarft. They also live right next to close to a dozen of the top 300 players in the world. Oh, and they don't have to worry about travel costs.
As for why Koreans have more reason to succeed, well, Korean education is absurdly cutthroat so they fall behind being a progamer by default and many Koreans were dumb enough to go all-in on progaming.
With all of these benefits, it makes sense that Koreans completely and absolutely annihilate foreigners. More importantly, because Koreans annihilate foreigners, foreigners have less reason to succeed (they have a stupendously huge skill gap they need to cover) and less resources to succeed (Koreans have all of their resources plus they take most of the resources the foreigners have), which feeds into the weakness of foreigners, which feeds into the strength of Koreans, and so on and so forth.
Korean dominance is self-enforcing and self-perpetuating. We have no reason to believe foreigners will ever be on par with Koreans unless foreigners get "handouts".
One last issue to consider: there are many, many viewers who love foreigners because they are far more relatable than some faceless Korean with a name you'll never memorize, a personality the same as all the other Koreans, born in the same place as all the other Koreans and living in the same place and conditions than all the other Koreans. Distinguishing facts are actually actively hidden by most Koreans, it's practically in their culture to be a perfectly homogeneous band of foreigner-killers.
While you may enjoy watching the best players in the world, most people want to be able to relate to players. You enjoy watching tournaments (once the initial awe at the skill-level runs out) because you are emotionally invested in the matches, and the number one way that happens is by giving a shit about the players. Relatable players make this a thousand times easier. Also, most viewers are too bad at the game to differentiate between foreigners and Koreans unless they face each other directly. Foreigner vs. foreigner matches seem just as skillful to the average viewer as Korean vs. Korean matches. Sometimes they're even more exciting, because players have far more options since their opponents don't have the surgeon's skill necessary to dismantle all but the most optimized playstyles and build orders.
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On November 22 2013 05:35 Negius wrote:
Actually, I don't like this article as a featured news item at all.
It seems to me like Waxangel doesn't agree with the desicions made by Blizzard or is applying some weird system of critical journalism. I think the debate about this must go on, but I don't like it that one opinion is stated this clearly in such an article.
If it was a blog post however, there wouldn't be any problem for me.
For me, I like the changes Blizzard made, even though there is still this "flaw" (some wouldn't call it a flaw, but a necessary thing to have Koreans in WCS AM) in the system. And it would be a bit unfair to throw all the Koreans out, when you're trying to get a mix of local talent and good players from other regions.
Blizzard wanted to give foreigners more of a chance in WCS AM, but as it stands things are going to end up functionally nearly exactly the same. This is inherently bad because Blizzard has failed to accomplish their stated goals with the actions they took specifically to accomplish those goals. Yes, it would be horrendously unfair to throw all the Koreans out, but it really doesn't seem like these changes are going to help out foreigners much either.
Blizzard made the best of the worst situation, but that doesn't mean things have gotten much better or even really changed all that much.
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Sorry, but most of the Koreans playing in NA are far from invincible and if no foreigner can be found to beat guys like Arthur or Sage, then foreigners simply don't deserve the spots. The new system is a vast improvement and keeping the old players in is simply a matter of fairness.
I'm also kind of disgusted by the suggestion that Blizz has "to break a few eggs to make an omelette" and should just kick them out. Sure, guys like Jaedong could propably enter the GSL, but for some of the less accomplished players on less wealthy teams NA is the only stage they have to show themselves to the public and booting them out would propably be the end of their career.
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On November 22 2013 04:13 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 03:13 Noobity wrote:On November 22 2013 03:02 SinO[Ob] wrote:On November 22 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On November 22 2013 02:33 SinO[Ob] wrote:On November 22 2013 02:28 Incubus1993 wrote:
For quite a while until recently I was angry at the sheer amount of Code A&B Koreans (Not the top finishers) owning the NA region through the online qualifiers and knocking all the foreigners out for easy money overnight. It still is a good idea to have a partial region lock, the best would be a residential lock, as in you have to be living (no citizenship) in the region you're playing in. They've changed that mostly for 2014 which is good.
Still, after WCS 2013 being and looking at the results. I have 0 sympathy for foreigners. Them or their fans shouldn't expect to be given any advantages, direct or indirect. If they aren't getting results, too freaking bad. The money and finishes should go to the best players, buckle the fuck down and practice more if you want to win. Stop streaming all the time and giving your opponents something to study if you want to seriously compete. Despite what some morons say, the overwhelming majority of skill doesn't come from them "being Asian/Korean". It comes from hard work, dedication, and practice..... practice..... hey! More practice! If they don't commit hard to the game then they won't get results, retire and get a job or go to school. You have a point here sir. Maybe less streaming session and more of "I need to win/get into RO4 to have money". Streaming giving to much easy money and maybe foreigners players count too much on that. (I said MAYBE,plz dont hurt me). Sadly, bills and rent are OP and can't be nerfed by Blizzard, so streaming will always be necessary for players, especially of they want sponsors. Well you will get more sponsors by kicking asses in tournaments than ladder :>. Absolutely, completely, 100% wrong. It has been said more than enough times that this is completely incorrect. Eyes on the player/advertisements are whats important. Whether or not the eyes see that player win a championship matters very little here. lol you really don't think winning affects marketability? Are you nuts? Idra and Destiny are exceptions, not rules. The foreign scene will never reach the korean scene for the sole reason foreigners aren't winning to move to small ass houses with 2-3 players per bedroom and practice 10 hours a day with a coach overseeing everything and enforcing the practice regime while giving up the rest of their lives in the search for success. (Also this is much harder to do since US/EU doesn't have a Seoul) I don't blame them, I couldn't do that either. But they shouldn't be rewarded for that imo. I'm glad the Koreans are staying if the money/point are also staying
At no point did I say winning doesn't affect marketability. I said that "you will get more sponsors by kicking asses in tournaments then ladder" was 100% wrong. In hindsight, I should have just said "You get more sponsors by being marketable, and that skill doesn't really mean anything at all". Incontrol will, until he does something remarkably stupid, be the most marketable figure in Starcraft 2. When was the last time he won a major tournament? Given the choice between him and Flash the sponsors will go to him unless they are focusing strictly on the Korean speaking market, and even then the guy is smart enough to learn enough Korean to probably get by.
Don't give me that "lol you..." bullshit either, that's a deliberate statement meant to illicit a negative response, and is a dick tactic.
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probably is my english but i don't understand that table, what is it for? slots etc.
i mean, table says: "In 2014, we will reserve most qualifier slots for citizens and legal residents of the home regions for both WCS America and WCS Europe."
and in article it is said that there is a chance 22 koreans will make it to premier...
can someone explain those numbers in table?
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On November 21 2013 18:02 Bjarne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 17:25 robertpires87 wrote:On November 21 2013 17:07 avilo wrote:On November 21 2013 16:42 b0rt_ wrote:
I don't get what the problem is. If Koreans are better then let them play unrestricted, this is how competition markets works. So you're saying the Chinese soccer team should be replaced by Brazilians? Because Brazil is known for having the best soccer players in the world... "Because we only want to see the best soccer players, we should let them play in China!" (you can replace the countries here with whatever country). Or how about the NBA in the USA goes around to another country and replaces all of that country's competitors... That's why something needed to change...and it seems not much did sadly. If you want to foster regional competition you sort of need people from that region...or country, or what not. For me WCS NA is supposed to be like US Open, not like the Davis Cup (national teams), where the best of the best of the world compete to become the champion. If the best of the best are mostly Koreans, so be it. Regional competition should be conducted by local sponsors and local tournaments. It is not Blizzard's fault that there is a lack of demand for NA only SC2 tournaments I think avilo is right on that point. WCS NA should NOT be "US Open" where the best of the best meet. Blizzcon is the event, where the best of the best meet. WCS NA should be for NA players. You cannot argue, that only skill matters. If that was right, the soccer WM would consist of 18 European Teams and 6 South America Teams. More skill, but less fun to watch for sure. I opted for a more intensive region lock but im fine with blizzards decision.
Huge flaw in your logic. How can Blizzcon be the event where the best of the best meet when 2 of the major feeder tournaments have a regional lock, even one as soft as this is? By definition, the players who get to Blizzcon from WCS EU and AM aren't the best of the best.
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On November 22 2013 07:25 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 18:02 Bjarne wrote:On November 21 2013 17:25 robertpires87 wrote:On November 21 2013 17:07 avilo wrote:On November 21 2013 16:42 b0rt_ wrote:
I don't get what the problem is. If Koreans are better then let them play unrestricted, this is how competition markets works. So you're saying the Chinese soccer team should be replaced by Brazilians? Because Brazil is known for having the best soccer players in the world... "Because we only want to see the best soccer players, we should let them play in China!" (you can replace the countries here with whatever country). Or how about the NBA in the USA goes around to another country and replaces all of that country's competitors... That's why something needed to change...and it seems not much did sadly. If you want to foster regional competition you sort of need people from that region...or country, or what not. For me WCS NA is supposed to be like US Open, not like the Davis Cup (national teams), where the best of the best of the world compete to become the champion. If the best of the best are mostly Koreans, so be it. Regional competition should be conducted by local sponsors and local tournaments. It is not Blizzard's fault that there is a lack of demand for NA only SC2 tournaments I think avilo is right on that point. WCS NA should NOT be "US Open" where the best of the best meet. Blizzcon is the event, where the best of the best meet. WCS NA should be for NA players. You cannot argue, that only skill matters. If that was right, the soccer WM would consist of 18 European Teams and 6 South America Teams. More skill, but less fun to watch for sure. I opted for a more intensive region lock but im fine with blizzards decision. Huge flaw in your logic. How can Blizzcon be the event where the best of the best meet when 2 of the major feeder tournaments have a regional lock, even one as soft as this is? By definition, the players who get to Blizzcon from WCS EU and AM aren't the best of the best.
Even without region-lock, BlizzCon wouldn't have the best players. Firstly, GSL will always be the strongest tournament. Most players who transitioned away from WCS KR, were the ones who were not doing particularly well (with the exception of TaeJa). As a result of this, they attained more points than other, more skilled players who stayed in Korea.
Secondly, many points go to Koreans on foreigner teams, as they have a larger travel budget than most Korean teams, and thus could send their players to as many events as possible. Players like Dear and Trap did not have that luxury, despite being better than Koreans on foreign teams.
In reality, if you really want the best players competing in the best tournament there is, it's more likely with region-lock, that way you'd see Jaedong, MMA, TaeJa, Ryung etc all back in the GSL, and it would truly be the elite tournament with all the best players, either that or something like the Hot6ix Cup - the cup at the end of the year with all GSL winners and runners up. (obviously, the problem then would be not enough prize-money, but then again, that is a problem with SC2 not being a problem in Korea, not really Blizzard's fault or problem.)
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On November 22 2013 05:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
One last issue to consider: there are many, many viewers who love foreigners because they are far more relatable than some faceless Korean with a name you'll never memorize, a personality the same as all the other Koreans, born in the same place as all the other Koreans and living in the same place and conditions than all the other Koreans. Distinguishing facts are actually actively hidden by most Koreans, it's practically in their culture to be a perfectly homogeneous band of foreigner-killers.
While you may enjoy watching the best players in the world, most people want to be able to relate to players. You enjoy watching tournaments (once the initial awe at the skill-level runs out) because you are emotionally invested in the matches, and the number one way that happens is by giving a shit about the players. Relatable players make this a thousand times easier. Also, most viewers are too bad at the game to differentiate between foreigners and Koreans unless they face each other directly. Foreigner vs. foreigner matches seem just as skillful to the average viewer as Korean vs. Korean matches. Sometimes they're even more exciting, because players have far more options since their opponents don't have the surgeon's skill necessary to dismantle all but the most optimized playstyles and build orders.
And this why it is hard to take e-sports seriously. It's more a popularity contest than an actual sport. The competition itself is a farce. Dig more into the stories behind such names as Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods. They're pretty much assholes in real life. Their persona in the basketball court and on the golf course is Innovation-like in its robotic, singular desire to beat everybody. Their backgrounds are different from the backgrounds of the vast majority of Americans. We relate to them because they are winners, not because they have anything in common with any of us. Put their personality on to someone else who isn't a winner and most people wouldn't want to hang out with them. In fact, the vast majority would avoid them.
In fact, this relatable because of skin color, nationality, personality, etc. thing is mostly an SC2 thing, something that mainstream sports have most abandoned. In the mainstream sports I watch, people will relate to and defend the actions of fucking horrible criminal thugs as long as their team is winning. Put a bunch of nice guys from nice, suburban middle class backgrounds who aren't very good and the stadiums will be empty. I guess in SC2, we are all expected to be Cubs fans.
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Assuming constant skill and doing some averaging I think alguilac in conjunction with some iterative scripting could figure out the mean long term implications. It would be interesting if not a bit impossible to get right.
I hope this helps folks like Scarlett and Suppy but it remains to be seen...
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On November 22 2013 08:00 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 05:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
One last issue to consider: there are many, many viewers who love foreigners because they are far more relatable than some faceless Korean with a name you'll never memorize, a personality the same as all the other Koreans, born in the same place as all the other Koreans and living in the same place and conditions than all the other Koreans. Distinguishing facts are actually actively hidden by most Koreans, it's practically in their culture to be a perfectly homogeneous band of foreigner-killers.
While you may enjoy watching the best players in the world, most people want to be able to relate to players. You enjoy watching tournaments (once the initial awe at the skill-level runs out) because you are emotionally invested in the matches, and the number one way that happens is by giving a shit about the players. Relatable players make this a thousand times easier. Also, most viewers are too bad at the game to differentiate between foreigners and Koreans unless they face each other directly. Foreigner vs. foreigner matches seem just as skillful to the average viewer as Korean vs. Korean matches. Sometimes they're even more exciting, because players have far more options since their opponents don't have the surgeon's skill necessary to dismantle all but the most optimized playstyles and build orders. And this why it is hard to take e-sports seriously. It's more a popularity contest than an actual sport. The competition itself is a farce. Dig more into the stories behind such names as Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods. They're pretty much assholes in real life. Their persona in the basketball court and on the golf course is Innovation-like in its robotic, singular desire to beat everybody. Their backgrounds are different from the backgrounds of the vast majority of Americans. We relate to them because they are winners, not because they have anything in common with any of us. Put their personality on to someone else who isn't a winner and most people wouldn't want to hang out with them. In fact, the vast majority would avoid them. In fact, this relatable because of skin color, nationality, personality, etc. thing is mostly an SC2 thing, something that mainstream sports have most abandoned. In the mainstream sports I watch, people will relate to and defend the actions of fucking horrible criminal thugs as long as their team is winning. Put a bunch of nice guys from nice, suburban middle class backgrounds who aren't very good and the stadiums will be empty. I guess in SC2, we are all expected to be Cubs fans.
What? No, just no.
People root for their home teams. They have a connection to a place and a team, and that's why they root for them. There's even a derogatory term for fans who switch teams based on records which you've probably heard, "fair weather fan." To say winning is the only thing that matters in traditional sports is absurd.
Now, Michael Jordan is an example of the greatest ever, you can't compare him to some random Korean that won a tournament once. The only fair comparison would be with Flash. Guess who has a huge foreigner fan base despite being Korean? Flash does.
Fostering local competition can only be a good thing for SC2 and ESPORTS. It's not racist, or stupid, or any other term you want to throw at it. And it certainly doesn't contradict anything that goes on in the traditional sports world.
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On November 22 2013 08:00 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 05:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
One last issue to consider: there are many, many viewers who love foreigners because they are far more relatable than some faceless Korean with a name you'll never memorize, a personality the same as all the other Koreans, born in the same place as all the other Koreans and living in the same place and conditions than all the other Koreans. Distinguishing facts are actually actively hidden by most Koreans, it's practically in their culture to be a perfectly homogeneous band of foreigner-killers.
While you may enjoy watching the best players in the world, most people want to be able to relate to players. You enjoy watching tournaments (once the initial awe at the skill-level runs out) because you are emotionally invested in the matches, and the number one way that happens is by giving a shit about the players. Relatable players make this a thousand times easier. Also, most viewers are too bad at the game to differentiate between foreigners and Koreans unless they face each other directly. Foreigner vs. foreigner matches seem just as skillful to the average viewer as Korean vs. Korean matches. Sometimes they're even more exciting, because players have far more options since their opponents don't have the surgeon's skill necessary to dismantle all but the most optimized playstyles and build orders. 1. And this why it is hard to take e-sports seriously. It's more a popularity contest than an actual sport. The competition itself is a farce. Dig more into the stories behind such names as Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods. They're pretty much assholes in real life. Their persona in the basketball court and on the golf course is Innovation-like in its robotic, singular desire to beat everybody. Their backgrounds are different from the backgrounds of the vast majority of Americans. We relate to them because they are winners, not because they have anything in common with any of us. Put their personality on to someone else who isn't a winner and most people wouldn't want to hang out with them. In fact, the vast majority would avoid them. 2. In fact, this relatable because of skin color, nationality, personality, etc. thing is mostly an SC2 thing, something that mainstream sports have most abandoned. In the mainstream sports I watch, people will relate to and defend the actions of fucking horrible criminal thugs as long as their team is winning. Put a bunch of nice guys from nice, suburban middle class backgrounds who aren't very good and the stadiums will be empty. I guess in SC2, we are all expected to be Cubs fans.
1. Uhh, no. Winning is still important. We love our champions. Hell, being skilled can actually turn your lack of relatability into a benefit for your image. Just take a gander at Flash or Innovation. Besides, there's almost no way to earn people's attention aside from winning. Pretty much nobody in SC2 became popular by having a stream that slowly accrued more and more followers.
2. Once again, no. Nearly every single sports fan that I know has a couple teams that they really, REALLY love and are invested in. Usually this happens to be a team that is relatable or relevant to the person in some way. The most passionate sports fans I know are invariably fans of their university's basketball and football teams, or something similar.
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