EPTHotS Balance Update - November 11 - Page 52
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ChApFoU
France2986 Posts
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wUndertUnge
United States1126 Posts
On November 13 2013 15:12 ChApFoU wrote: I honestly think David Kim has the shittiest job on earth after Barack Obama. No matter what you say or do, you get shat on by almost everybody. Dude, you're comparing the contributions of a game balance designer to the contributions of one of the leaders of the "free" world. That's precious. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
On November 13 2013 11:12 Smigi wrote: "I hate this argument". Okay, just because you dislike something, doesn't make it incorrect or wrong. I.e. Zerg players bitched all day in very early WoL days, but fruit dealer wins the GSL and Nestea wins the next. If the game was so awful back then, then how come they won against these 'odds'? If it was so bad for zerg back then, how come the best players in the world were able to circumvent it? Most zergs complaining those days had no right to complain because they still had much to improve on. As a zerg player back then, I fell into this stupid mindset as well. Thinking that I was not good or not doing well because roaches needed to have 2 armor again. Yeah well, then you should check out your "let's nerf terran again" history so you would see how much terran was nerfed to get into that. And your other point about people needing to not fall into a negative mindset, while generally it is not a bad advice, it has been 3 years already where mech not only gets any better, but worse over time, forcing terran the already funneled down build list to be even more stale on every match up aside tvt while giving more and more options to the other races. The tank buff is not going to work, because mech's core problem is the counters other race have for it, and the low damage tanks have against anything which isn't armored (or has shields). That's why i switched to protoss at hots release, i can play most games just the way i want to play them, and i don't need to stapple my balls just to try different stuff. I already opened most my PvT with oracles and blink all ins  | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
On November 13 2013 15:12 ChApFoU wrote: I honestly think David Kim has the shittiest job on earth after Barack Obama. No matter what you say or do, you get shat on by almost everybody. He accepts that responsibility even though he's not the whole balance team. Your comparison obviously way too exaggerated though | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On November 13 2013 14:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: haha, poor infestor, he got it the worst. What'd he ever do to anyone >.> Hahaha! The Infestor being destroyed by rocks at the end was a graceful final touch. DB and DK know how to take the piss out of themselves. Good on them. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On November 13 2013 13:40 VayneAuthority wrote: unit tester lol just play the game and you would know that I what said is very true. late game scenarios with ghost/tank/viking roll immortals pretty hard. You need tempests and storm at that point. Well, by the time the terran can get ghost/tank/viking. Protoss will have immortal/tempests/HTs/archon/chargelot. | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On November 13 2013 15:20 wUndertUnge wrote: Dude, you're comparing the contributions of a game balance designer to the contributions of one of the leaders of the "free" world. That's precious. Well this game is quite big to alot of people | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On November 13 2013 01:28 iaguz wrote: Mines do far less damage. Didn't notice until I watched reps and noticed many units not dying. Some of them my units, some of them zerg. In a way it's good for mines not to be so wildly destructive. Now if we could turn turrets into spore crawlers... I'd wait and see if tanks catch on with Gosu KR terrans but I maintain skepticism. TvP they still seem really bad. TvT didn't turn into the full on mechfest I suspected it would be but perhaps in a month, mech is always slow to adapt. I did like opening 3cc passive tank in tvz though, like what bomber does, but I don't like making more then about 5. If your playing full marine tank it's really easy for mutas to pick off tons of stray units. I was switching into bio mine but after watching reps (a friend showed me one of his where he decided not to micro his ling bane vs mines, and that it didn't fucking matter a bit. This is only one replay but it's not a good sigh) I'm thinking I might just try marine hellbat thor instead. Undecided. This is all first impressions, give me a week or two of playing and watching gosu terrans and reevaluate. Oh and oracles are fucking retarded, fuck off. No idea why that buff went through. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On November 13 2013 13:23 larse wrote: David Kim's answer to a question of Terran mech at the SC2 panel at Blizzcon 2013 http://youtu.be/vw7ZNQe24KM?t=47m50s Yeah, i heard that before. The result was mech becoming worse then it has ever been. | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
On November 13 2013 18:06 Sapphire.lux wrote: Yeah, i heard that before. The result was mech becoming worse then it has ever been. Yeah, that's just some PR stuff. They are extremely reluctant to make any Terran buff. 2014 = 2012 where Terran goes down. | ||
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Mutineer
New Zealand179 Posts
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On November 13 2013 14:51 Bagi wrote: Two major reasons: 1) Bio/mine can be the most amazing thing in the world to watch but people will grow tired of it if its literally the only strategy you can do. A strategy game should have room for options and strategy instead of just being a micro competition where both sides know exactly what their opponent is doing. 2) Due to how widow mines work (high supply cost, high mobility) it would be crazy for a terran to play a passive game with them and let the zerg get the ultra/infestor comp. This makes point 1 even worse, because not only is terran making the same units every game they are also forced to play a very aggressive game with them. Variety is the spice of life, basically. ¨ Take your first point and apply it to TvP from a terran perspective starting from WoL up to now. And then add this oracle buff do it. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 13 2013 18:14 larse wrote: Yeah, that's just some PR stuff. They are extremely reluctant to make any Terran buff. 2014 = 2012 where Terran goes down. 2 buffs, 1 nerf here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_2.0.12#Balance_Update 1 buff, 1 nerf here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_2.0.9#Balance_Update then from the beta we have: Medivac buff Raven buff(s) Yamato Canon buff Thor buff Siege Tank Upgrade removed Reaper buff Mech Weapon buff part 1 might be missing something... gonna keep in mind that being "extremly reluctant to make any Terran buff" means that they changed everything that is underused in some way (minus ghosts). | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On November 13 2013 18:49 Big J wrote: 2 buffs, 1 nerf here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_2.0.12#Balance_Update 1 buff, 1 nerf here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_2.0.9#Balance_Update then from the beta we have: Medivac buff Raven buff(s) Yamato Canon buff Thor buff Siege Tank Upgrade removed Reaper buff Mech Weapon buff part 1 might be missing something... gonna keep in mind that being "extremly reluctant to make any Terran buff" means that they changed everything that is underused in some way (minus ghosts). Yeah, because the Cloak buff totally compensated the Hellbat nerf in TvP/Z, right? Your digital argument is so pointless. | ||
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Mutineer
New Zealand179 Posts
On November 13 2013 18:49 Big J wrote: 2 buffs, 1 nerf here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_2.0.12#Balance_Update 1 buff, 1 nerf here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_2.0.9#Balance_Update then from the beta we have: Medivac buff Raven buff(s) Yamato Canon buff Thor buff Siege Tank Upgrade removed Reaper buff Mech Weapon buff part 1 might be missing something... gonna keep in mind that being "extremly reluctant to make any Terran buff" means that they changed everything that is underused in some way (minus ghosts). I could contest this list. Raven from my point of view was nerfed. Befor HOS if you cast Missile mutas will run from you for some time and have to separate 1 muta, now mutas run from you for 2 sec and then kill you. Nerf. Thor nerf, no longer energy less one target lock down, useless tranformation insted, I newver see transformen thors in matches. Reaper Nerf, where upcliff vision. Old thors were mach better agains old mutas then new thors agains new mutas. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On November 13 2013 07:36 Greenei wrote: gg sub-gm terrans! Terrans have been becoming extinct in the upper leagues at a gradual rate for a good while now, nothing new! I have jumped ship to Protoss and now enjoy a much more relaxed ladder experience, I imagine it is the same for many others! | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 13 2013 18:53 TheDwf wrote: Yeah, because the Cloak buff totally compensated the Hellbat nerf in TvP/Z, right? Your digital argument is so pointless. Read what I respond to.... He said "any Terran buff". Which gets disproven by... well, showing any Terran buff. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:04 Big J wrote: Read what I respond to.... He said "any Terran buff". Which gets disproven by... well, showing any Terran buff. Imaginary patch: Marines' dps decreased by 30% Hellions' hit points increased by 5 → Big J's comment: "Terran has been buffed." Strong logic at work here. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:12 TheDwf wrote: Imaginary patch: Marines' dps decreased by 30% Hellions' hit points increased by 5 → Big J's comment: "Terran has been buffed." Strong logic at work here. you don't get what I was responding to, do you? But yes, Terran would be buffed with this patch. And nerfed. You know, it's not a one-dimensional relationship. SC2 isn't one number that you increase or decrease with a patch, it's a vector of many of them. Edit: But that's probably too much for you. I'd rather post something on your level: uaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggaios jdpoi afhiophs afkj ashl h l as | ||
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