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Afterhours
United States125 Posts
I remember when people booed David Kim at hots launch in france. He sure deserved it. Nah, just another example of casual gamers acting on their childish feelings, and not getting their endless lists of things they want that are impossible to achieve. Casuals want a hard game that they get to win all the time, and all other races should be weaker than the one they pick, right? Please...If anything it made the EU community look like a bunch of douchebags. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
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oucho
United Kingdom22 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:36 Faust852 wrote: Someone should translate the TheDwF's interview on Millenium, it explains very well my though about this patch. haha. link plz? | ||
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Archeon
3271 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:02 larse wrote: I still don't understand why David Kim is so afraid of buffing terran. Let's just imagine for a second that sc2 was a beat-em-up with three characters. Now their publisher holds three huge preliminaries, distributed among three continents. At the end of the day half of the people who came through the three preliminaries play the same character. None of these guys manages to reach the finals with his character. But apparently the amount of player that are successful enough with exactly that character to get through the three qualifier in which every known pro-gamer of the world played are about as many, as the other players combined. In beat-em-ups you wouldnt want a buff for the character just because none of the guys who play him managed to get through the round of four (where 2/4 still played this character). You would be demanding a nerf, because apparently either the level of play that is needed to be successful enough to play among the top 16 of the world is lower, or the character is way more popular (e.g because of design or playstyle) among the top pros. Disclaimer: I dont want to state that the game is broken or that terran is broken, nor that terran doesnt require a high level of skill to be played at the highest level. I just want to point out that terran is doing more than fine in the context that code b, code s, and all the preliminaries are essentially one big tournament with numerous group stages and that wcs global is nothing but the top 16 of the tourney. Eight of the top 16 and two of the top four played terran, that is in no way a sign that the race needs a buff. | ||
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TaishiCi
Korea (South)211 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:34 Afterhours wrote: Nah, just another example of casual gamers acting on their childish feelings, and not getting their endless lists of things they want that are impossible to achieve. Casuals want a hard game that they get to win all the time, and all other races should be weaker than the one they pick, right? Please...If anything it made the EU community look like a bunch of douchebags. Although I don't think David Kim is approaching the balance situation correctly, booing him in that situation wasn't warranted at all. It was pretty shocking and in bad taste. It also made the community seem like classless jobless bastards. | ||
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PineapplePizza
United States749 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:17 xAdra wrote: I still don't understand why terrans are so hungry for buffs. The way I see it what terran needs is change, like making more strategies available, instead of making their units stronger in numeric terms. The reactions here from terrans are almost as bad as the 'give diretide' debacle from the dota 2 community The idea behind terran from BW is that they are strategically versatile, even if their armies are tactically inflexible. You can't sprint across the map in a few seconds, or teleport into bases, but you are not as limited by maps. You have the tools to turn anything into a favorable affair, whereas Zergs and Protoss are hamstrung by a lack of very specific features in certain matchups. In SC2, If a map is a turtlefest like Akilon, or has terrain favorable for tank pushes like certain positions in Tal'Darim TvZ, or whatever the hell else, you can't say "Ok, I'll play marine tank" or "Let's use a mech strategy this game", because you get anally-raped due to your tanks being godawful, along with a host of other issues. | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:17 xAdra wrote: I still don't understand why terrans are so hungry for buffs. The way I see it what terran needs is change, like making more strategies available, instead of making their units stronger in numeric terms. The reactions here from terrans are almost as bad as the 'give diretide' debacle from the dota 2 community What you say is the same as buffing other Terran units to the same strength of MMM, so that diversity will naturally emerge. The reason that there is no diversity is because beside MMM, other units are too weak in vs Z and vs P. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/esport/focus-sur-downfall-decouvrez-en-plus-sur-les-joueurs-francais-97920?page=2 It's in french ^^ | ||
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PPN
France248 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:31 Snusmumriken wrote: Right back at ya. I dont have to insult the developers, they do a much better job of it themselves. I didnt say they were going to fix mech 2 years ago, they did. And here we are. If thats not a failure then what is? I didnt say they want the experience to be best for casuals, they did. And guess what, a casual player isnt going to understand why a fucking tank doesnt behave at all similar to how it does in reality. Again, they manage to contradict themselves in every fucking sentence. I remember when people booed David Kim at hots launch in france. He sure deserved it. Yeah 10 idiots in a crowd of thousands booing David Kim in France is going to give him nightmare for years to remember. I'm sure of it. On November 13 2013 08:25 Chaggi wrote: Oh yes, that improved tank that does SO MUCH MORE. It's going to completely change the TvP MU as we know it. Yup. That's it. Marine hellion? Which if you have a MSC in position, it doesn't do damage like an oracle and can easily die to counter pushes? I'm not sure if Protoss understands that ever since HoTS came out and MSC came with an easymode cannon button. And sOs invested heavily into oracles, but still got templar tech out fast enough for the medivac timing. I quoted ffadicted about "HUGE investment, you definitely have to do damage to not die to a stim timing." because that's simply not true. And here's another secret, opening oracles doesn't mean the Terran is forced to make heavy heavy marines. Yeah because investing 300 gaz early on is not a huge investment at all. Oracle opener is so safe and involves so little commitment not matter how efficient it is. I totally agree with you. I'd go as far as suggest every Protoss to do it everytime. Protoss can do shit and get away with it anyway according to some Terrans here. Maybe someday these Terran will see the Khala and switch to Protoss so we can have an oracle party. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:40 Blackfeather wrote: Let's just imagine for a second that sc2 was a beat-em-up with three characters. Now their publisher holds three huge preliminaries, distributed among three continents. At the end of the day half of the people who came through the three preliminaries play the same character. None of these guys manages to reach the finals with his character. But apparently the amount of player that are successful enough with exactly that character to get through the three qualifier in which every known pro-gamer of the world played are about as many, as the other players combined. In beat-em-ups you wouldnt want a buff for the character just because none of the guys who play him managed to get through the round of four (where 2/4 still played this character). You would be demanding a nerf, because apparently either the level of play that is needed to be successful enough to play among the top 16 of the world is lower, or the character is way more popular (e.g because of design or playstyle) among the top pros. Disclaimer: I dont want to state that the game is broken or that terran is broken, nor that terran doesnt require a high level of skill to be played at the highest level. I just want to point out that terran is doing more than fine in the context that code b, code s, and all the preliminaries are essentially one big tournament with numerous group stages and that wcs global is nothing but the top 16 of the tourney. Eight of the top 16 and two of the top four played terran, that is in no way a sign that the race needs a buff. Or points were gathered at 3 seasons and the first seasons had terrans performing better than others. Or do you want to argue, use Die4Ever's brilliant thread, that the last season contributed any terrans to the season's finals? | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:45 Faust852 wrote: http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/esport/focus-sur-downfall-decouvrez-en-plus-sur-les-joueurs-francais-97920?page=2 It's in french ^^ kinda guessed it when a guy from luxembourg said some ''millenium interview'' should be translated lol  merci | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:45 Faust852 wrote: http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/esport/focus-sur-downfall-decouvrez-en-plus-sur-les-joueurs-francais-97920?page=2 It's in french ^^ Google translate helps, but it adds some "interesting" modifications: if it still has calves routinely lose 20 banelings on big shots because they refuse to microwave, it is their problem | ||
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:02 larse wrote: I still don't understand why David Kim is so afraid of buffing terran. Cause if he does that well, he'll probably also need to nerf the Marine..  | ||
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:22 Sabu113 wrote: Never understood the exaggeration. For all intents and purposes, EMP is instant. You're not going to crawl the high templar out of the emp blast in the thousanth of a millisecond it takes to show the projectile exploding. It's not an instant cast though, is it? | ||
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Afterhours
United States125 Posts
It's not an instant cast though, is it? Technically, it is not. It is projectile based. But the thing moves at the speed of sound, so its pretty much instant. No amount of Micro'ing (except MAYBE baiting an EMP) will allow you to dodge one. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:50 Ghanburighan wrote: Google translate helps, but it adds some "interesting" modifications: the microwave thing is inaccurate but he actually used the word calves in the sense google translated it. sounds pretty lame but I guess its some slang where hes from lol | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:56 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: the microwave thing is inaccurate but he actually used the word calves in the sense google translated it. sounds pretty lame but I guess its some slang where hes from lol He's kinda crude in his interview, but he express himself in a way better french than a lot of random subtop frenchies. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:50 Ghanburighan wrote: Google translate helps, but it adds some "interesting" modifications: Haha, veau is figuratively used to mean dumb/lazy people, don't know what kind of familiar English world would translate that. Calf is indeed the literary translation but it probably does not convey the intended meaning. (; | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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