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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On November 12 2013 21:54 fried_rice wrote: LOL...pretty much this. Forgg just won and it was clear Elfi didn't have a clue what he was doing. I was watching elfi POV and he explained he made a huge mistake by not instantly cutting colossi and stalker production when he realized it was mech. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On November 12 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote: I hope you realize that I was being entirely sarcastic Good example of the IdrA doctrine. | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On November 12 2013 21:52 Nebuchad wrote: Can I predict it? Either elfi wins, and it's complete proof that this is bullshit or elfi loses, and he sucks anyway, so it can't be used to prove anything. Easy :D Thing is, you can't take ladder and streams right this day, or even maybe the ones from one weeks time as proof mech works or not. Right now playing mech is the equivalent of playing a cheese for the other races (mainly for protoss), because they don't exactly know how to scout for it yet and react to it. And like a cheese, mech is one of those things you can die to if you don't know its headed your way. Also the speed of solving a problem is directly proportional to the difficulty of solving said problem. Bio mine was a major problem for zergs so it took them 3-4 months to solve (and a small buff from Blizzard). Mech however has clear intrinsic problems and common sense says it should be solved relatively soon. Due too the above factors I can't prove it right now, but I am so certain this patch will do so little for mech, that I'd be willing to walk on hot coals should I be proven wrong. (I'll post it on youtube too!). | ||
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xongnox
540 Posts
During this time, they do nothing on real issues like maphack :/ | ||
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KingAce
United States471 Posts
Like, this is shameful. It is times like this I am proud to be a protoss. We don't whine to this level. This is some next level tears right here. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On November 12 2013 22:00 KingAce wrote: I never thought that terrans whining would be more annoying than zergs whining. Considering how long the race has dominated you would think they would ease up on embarrassing themselves. Like, this is shameful. It is times like this I am proud to be a protoss. We don't whine to this level. This is some next level tears right here. You have a fricking sad zealot fanclub dedicated to your endless whining. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
On November 12 2013 21:58 Destructicon wrote: Thing is, you can't take ladder and streams right this day, or even maybe the ones from one weeks time as proof mech works or not. Right now playing mech is the equivalent of playing a cheese for the other races (mainly for protoss), because they don't exactly know how to scout for it yet and react to it. And like a cheese, mech is one of those things you can die to if you don't know its headed your way. Also the speed of solving a problem is directly proportional to the difficulty of solving said problem. Bio mine was a major problem for zergs so it took them 3-4 months to solve (and a small buff from Blizzard). Mech however has clear intrinsic problems and common sense says it should be solved relatively soon. Due too the above factors I can't prove it right now, but I am so certain this patch will do so little for mech, that I'd be willing to walk on hot coals should I be proven wrong. (I'll post it on youtube too!). Not that I disagree, but I think you're entirely wrong with this point. I played mech in SC2 from the days of the WoL beta all the way until about a month ago when I stopped playing due to lack of time and lack of interest and if there's one thing that Protoss has easy against you if you mech is A) how easy it is to scout and B) how little they actually have to change to react to it. It's not like the difference between 2 hatch/3 hatch lurker or Muta in BW to defend since Bio and Mech can both be countered by the same things. Yes Collosus are not fantastic against mech (the only thing that isn't) but everything else is fine to use. | ||
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Tif
Germany19 Posts
On November 12 2013 21:04 fried_rice wrote: As long as this is possible Terran will never be able to be really active out on the map with a mech-based army, a redesign of SHs and a nerf/change to Blinding Cloud (things that are not used at all in standard ZvT) would suddenly breath a lot of new life to the matchup. I dont get what u trying to say. The time when SH are working against terran is when Terran is going mech. And that part of why Mech play is so boring. I havent seen any SH bouild work ever against bio since the med boost is in the game (belife me I tried). If there are any games. If I´m wrong with that, plz. prove me by showing me VOD´s/Replays of Highskilled Zerg winning against Bio with SH. Thx. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On November 12 2013 22:02 Qikz wrote: Not that I disagree, but I think you're entirely wrong with this point. I played mech in SC2 from the days of the WoL beta all the way until about a month ago when I stopped playing due to lack of time and lack of interest and if there's one thing that Protoss has easy against you if you mech is A) how easy it is to scout and B) how little they actually have to change to react to it. It's not like the difference between 2 hatch/3 hatch lurker or Muta in BW to defend since Bio and Mech can both be countered by the same things. Yes Collosus are not fantastic against mech (the only thing that isn't) but everything else is fine to use. Are you saying Mech can be countered in brood war ? :p | ||
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gTank
Austria2601 Posts
On November 12 2013 22:00 KingAce wrote: I never thought that terrans whining would be more annoying than zergs whining. Considering how long the race has dominated you would think they would ease up on embarrassing themselves. Like, this is shameful. It is times like this I am proud to be a protoss. We don't whine to this level. This is some next level tears right here. The sad Zealot was the epitome of whining on TL. Give credit where credit is due  | ||
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fried_rice
198 Posts
On November 12 2013 22:05 Tif wrote: I dont get what u trying to say. The time when SH are working against terran is when Terran is going mech. And that part of why Mech play is so boring. I havent seen any SH bouild work ever against bio since the med boost is in the game (belife me I tried). If there are any games. If I´m wrong with that, plz. prove me by showing me VOD´s/Replays of Highskilled Zerg winning against Bio with SH. Thx. Wat? I don't think you get my post... What I'm trying to say is that Swarm Hosts are the reason ZvT mech can became a turtle fest for both sides, this has nothing to do with bio. | ||
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woreyour
582 Posts
On November 12 2013 08:19 geokilla wrote: I'm done playing this game. Going to play League. User was warned for this post yup you go play that  fits you well at your level hahhaaha I love these nerd rage against blizz but they say the game is getting boring... lol | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On November 12 2013 22:00 KingAce wrote: I never thought that terrans whining would be more annoying than zergs whining. Considering how long the race has dominated you would think they would ease up on embarrassing themselves. Like, this is shameful. It is times like this I am proud to be a protoss. We don't whine to this level. This is some next level tears right here. You don't get nerfs every patch. You don't know how it feels if you're already struggling to see extra nerfs. It sucks. | ||
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MangoMountain
Norway2044 Posts
On November 12 2013 22:08 fried_rice wrote: Wat? I don't think you get my post... What I'm trying to say is that Swarm Hosts are the reason ZvT mech can became a turtle fest for both sides, this has nothing to do with bio. if it wasnt for swarmhosts there would be no way for z to beat turtlemech into skyterran ever | ||
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kinsky
Germany368 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On November 12 2013 22:11 kinsky wrote: Is the patch online on eu?! Because the in-game-help still says oracle speed is 3.38... Its online, might be they haven't updated the help tool yet but I had combined upgrades in all my games. On November 12 2013 22:10 MangoMountain wrote: if it wasnt for swarmhosts there would be no way for z to beat turtlemech into skyterran ever BS, its no different from preventing a turtley protoss player getting their ultimate army. You kill them by switching your composition around and constant aggression. Also map design can affect this enormously, notice that they just removed the best mech map (Akilon) from the map pool. | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
On November 12 2013 21:56 NarutO wrote: Actually we didn't. Plus a real Terran will always be a Terran Ugh its true  . I don't want to change and my heart dropped when I saw this patch go through. It 100% negated my style of play so I have to relearn the race and make a new style. Ofcourse with both of my statements I'm being a Drama King but still I feel like Terran has been punched in the nuts hard here (again) With making this change I wonder how David kim Actually expects the game to go? All i see happening now is Slow pushes into Zerg controlling the map expanding how he wants getting the tech he wants and just Face raping Terran 60%+ of the time.............................. I can hear it now though like Terran is going to talk about the difference in the game being to great to overcome and David kim's answer is going to be "Play Better"........................................................ | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On November 12 2013 21:33 Bagi wrote: Even with a turret the oracle can still kill the SCVs on gas, as well as the ones that are building and/or being transferred to the natural. Also with the new speed I think dodging any mines becomes almost trivial to a good player where as previously it was possible to lose an oracle to a well placed mine. Wouldnt surprise me if stargate became the standard opener in PvT now, at least on paper it seems to have everything. sOs thinks the same thing. I just don't understand all the negativity, how about we wait and see how it all turns out :D?! | ||
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eXdeath
France66 Posts
I like the other changes, the tank buff seems a bit insignificant though. | ||
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
They can bring their worst, once a terran, always a terran. | ||
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