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On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement.
Kim Pham? is that you?
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On July 23 2013 23:55 Fullback wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement. Kim Pham? is that you?
He certainly is a phan.
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On July 23 2013 23:52 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:41 Plansix wrote:
Its annoying, but no more annoying that two great football games playing at the same time.
What if the two great football games being played at the same time were the Champions League and World Cup finals? I imagine it would be a little bit more than "annoying".
Well more like the division finals for America football being on at the same time as the Masters for Golf.
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On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement.
Lot of Dota viewers used to be sc2 viewers aswell. Everyone I know that played master league ~ level when sc2 came out is playing dota 2 now, and some still watches sc2.
Hell even this website took that direction, because even if you say it's a starcraft website, teamliquid is just as much a dota 2 website, and even has their own sponsored team attending TI.
The problem is that absolutely zero of them will sacrifice TI to watch wcs finals, even if there's supposely the best players and best games. They might have done it any other day/week/weekend, but anyone that watched TI2 last year knows how fucking good that event was, and this year will only get better when the community alone gave another 4 million dollars to valve.
Dota2 has a pretty huge viewersbase, and you're losing out on all of them if you schedule it again TI.
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On July 23 2013 22:43 ratbert wrote:
so in fact you guys are worried that the numbers are going to be low? what difference does it make to you if theres 50k watching or 10k ? the games are not going to be of less quality because there's less people watching. i guess it's the "the sky is falling"-mentality all over again.
the only concern i understand is from people who would love to watch both events. but the sky wont fall and blizzard didn't kill sc2 because the sc2 stream is missing 50% of it's viewers because there's TI3 on
A lot of the perceived quality of matches is about the hype around them. This is especially true for SC2.
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On July 23 2013 23:56 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:55 Fullback wrote:On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement. Kim Pham? is that you? He certainly is a phan.
No phan intended
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France9034 Posts
On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement.
Erm... The Internationals is pretty big and unique, with one occurence a year, while the WCS happen multiple time in the year, is split in multiple regions with different level of hype ( with KR > EU >>>> AM it seems).
So I wouldn't be so worried about TI3... I do think it will be a bit more successful than WCS...
On July 24 2013 00:00 Turbulencedota wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:56 Talin wrote:On July 23 2013 23:55 Fullback wrote:On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement. Kim Pham? is that you? He certainly is a phan. No phan intended
Though from his post and onward, shit hit the phan.
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On July 23 2013 23:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:52 Talin wrote:On July 23 2013 23:41 Plansix wrote:
Its annoying, but no more annoying that two great football games playing at the same time.
What if the two great football games being played at the same time were the Champions League and World Cup finals? I imagine it would be a little bit more than "annoying". Well more like the division finals for America football being on at the same time as the Masters for Golf.
y i agree, i dont care how big the prizepool of dota2 is, if i dont enjoy watching D2, i cant watch it, ppl should just watch the game they enjoy viewing, prizepool shouldnt matter
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So retarded... Oh well, I guess I am going to miss WCS then.
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SC2 viewer numbers are already becomming pretty laughable next to those of Dota2 and League of Legends... I think this is a big mistake by Blizz. I'm not even a Dota2 fan/player but I still wanted to watch TI. Honestly, I think I'll still pick that over WCS o.o pretty sure lots of people will.
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On July 24 2013 00:05 Phyxx wrote:
So retarded... Oh well, I guess I am going to miss WCS then.
Invest in extra monitors + a good internet connection : maximum esports awesomeness
(Though a second brain and another pair of eyes could be of use to follow everything ^_^)
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On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement.
You, sir are living under a starcraft rock. WCS/Starcraft will suffer from this incident, not Valve/Dota2
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On July 24 2013 00:07 Turbulencedota wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement. You, sir are living under a starcraft rock.
There's so many rocks in SC2, no wonder people started living under them.
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On July 24 2013 00:09 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 00:07 Turbulencedota wrote:On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement. You, sir are living under a starcraft rock. There's so many rocks in SC2, no wonder people started living under them.
Don't worry, they're all destructable. They'll find their way out eventually.
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On July 24 2013 00:09 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 00:07 Turbulencedota wrote:On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement. You, sir are living under a starcraft rock. There's so many rocks in SC2, no wonder people started living under them.
Until they collapse on you.
To me, this issue's pretty cut and dry. Blizzard screwed up, didn't plan ahead, and has to contest with other SC2 tournaments, so they were forced to rush everything and take the only available weekend (which no other tournament, regardless of eSport, was crazy enough to take). Blizzard messed up, we'll see the repercussions of it in a few weeks. No point in bellyaching now, it's not going to change anything. Could you see OGN switching the date? That's laughable.
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dota2 and sc2 and lol were at the same time at dreamhack stockholm.What happened?Record number of stream viewers and a packed house for all 3 games.League of legends and sc2 and cod at the same time at the last mlg.What happened?Record number of viewers and packed house for all 3 games.Countless dota2 tournies running along side sc2 tournies and lol tournies.What happens?Growing number of viewers for all games.Overlapping does not necesasary mean less viewers.Other factors such as entertainment value come into play.I would not be surprised if this years wcs regional finals get more viewers than last years regional wcs finals.Of course people will come and say sc2 is dead since it did not beat the international number of viewers but sponsors and people involved will notice the actual increase in viewership.
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On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement.
TL hasn't been a SC exclusive site for nearly a year now. And last years International blew anything SC ever had away in terms of viewers, so you're being very, very optimistic.
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On July 23 2013 23:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:52 Talin wrote:On July 23 2013 23:41 Plansix wrote:
Its annoying, but no more annoying that two great football games playing at the same time.
What if the two great football games being played at the same time were the Champions League and World Cup finals? I imagine it would be a little bit more than "annoying". Well more like the division finals for America football being on at the same time as the Masters for Golf.
Not at all. I'm pretty sure the demographic for the fucking International has a significant number of Sc2 players in it. I'm pretty sure the people who are golf fans aren't going to regret missing a division finals in American football, and vice versa, because there's not a whole lot of overlap (since golf & football are radically different sports). Sc2 and DotA have a huge crossover in terms of fanbase, not least because TL covers DotA. There is absolutely no excuse to run an important series of regional finals on the same day as the Superbowl of the eSports scene. It's just catastrophically stupid on so many levels.
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On July 24 2013 00:14 snarl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement. TL hasn't been a SC exclusive site for nearly a year now. And last years International blew anything SC ever had away in terms of viewers, so you're being very, very optimistic.
It is the super bowl of Dota and they do love to make people wait for it. Its also once a year, unlike SC2, which is all year round.
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well, its pretty stupid to have to big finals (the dota thing is a finals yes?) at the same time but anyhow, i probably wont watch either, dota is boring anad sc2 meta game makes for a lot of shitty games for me
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