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On July 23 2013 19:55 soverRR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:47 virpi wrote:
I've never watched dota, I have deactivated all dota related stuff on TL, so for me the whole thing is no big deal. But it really, really sucks for people who love both games. What the hell was Blizzard thinking? They'll definitely lose viewers during the times TI will be on. Even if you don't want to watch Dota, you should take offense from this poor planning from Blizzard.
The key part is that if your not offended, you need to change that. You should also be disgusted, disappointed and a bunch of other words people use to complain on TL with. If you think everything is fine, you need to update your standards until you are offended to a sufficient level to post about it.
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On July 23 2013 19:54 silvercloud wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 05:05 Crytash wrote:On July 23 2013 04:59 Eury wrote:On July 23 2013 04:55 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2013 04:53 Eury wrote:On July 23 2013 04:50 Crytash wrote:On July 23 2013 04:48 Eury wrote:On July 23 2013 04:45 theacox wrote:
I would love it if valve ran Sc2 holy shit it would be amazing. Yeah, ask the CS community about that. Dota 2 lives and dies with Gabe. Last time I checked he was still obese. You realy seem like a hater. In the end there will be people competing for over $2,6 Million, so real esports guys will watch the bigger event. I just prefer watching games that require a bit more skill. I felt the same thing about WoW when it was huge. I didn't watch the million dollar Painkiller tournament either nor CoD. So you think that CS requires more skill that dota 2? Or are you just trolling at this point? CS, Quake, Starcraft etc all requires more skill than dota ever did. Dota was made for people that found Warcraft 3 too challenging. You realy realy should learn how to troll right, you can't even touch anyone who plays Dota with this kind of arguments and even if you are sincere, it is sad, that people think the way you do. Not even pathetic, just said. The complexity of Dota lies not only in the mechanical skills but also in the teamchemistry, the leadership and the social competence of a player. A Player can contribute on so many levels, but it seems you don't want to see this way of playing. Not even taking sides but what you're saying is outright stupid, you say his way of thinking is sad yet what you say looks like it doesnt require team chemistry, leadership and social competence in CS.
But not in quake and Sc2 or COD, which was obviously the thing i had a problem with. If you could not understand that i have to apologize for not being clear as crystal in the first place.
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Wow really Blizzard? No way I'm going to be watching WCS over TI3.
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It's not that a big of a deal imo, not the best planning (but closer to TheBest planning), but I'll watch both :-)
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I don't care about the dates, but why isn't dreamhack making the season finals? biggest mistake they made by a large margin....
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Blizzard is not the company it used to be. Some people need to be fired and new folks hired. This is not working. Even if i prefer SC2 over dota, i'm now playing and watching it just because of how awesomely everything around the game is set up.
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On July 23 2013 20:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:55 soverRR wrote:On July 23 2013 19:47 virpi wrote:
I've never watched dota, I have deactivated all dota related stuff on TL, so for me the whole thing is no big deal. But it really, really sucks for people who love both games. What the hell was Blizzard thinking? They'll definitely lose viewers during the times TI will be on. Even if you don't want to watch Dota, you should take offense from this poor planning from Blizzard. The key part is that if your not offended, you need to change that. You should also be disgusted, disappointed and a bunch of other words people use to complain on TL with. If you think everything is fine, you need to update your standards until you are offended to a sufficient level to post about it.
Do you have to turn into a prick every single time people disagree with your opinion?
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On July 23 2013 19:38 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:15 Taipoka wrote:On July 23 2013 19:00 graNite wrote:On July 23 2013 18:56 Sissors wrote:On July 23 2013 18:10 SkelA wrote:
TI2 made me switch 100% from watching BW/SC2 last year and I regret nothing seeing what happened with SC2 and blizzard in general.
What happened to SC2 and blizzard in general? the new wcs system happened. bnet0.2. do i need to continue? Yes. Throw all your fellings (Hate), it can make you feel better. For some people, it's a much more bitter disappointment. Why is that so hard to understand? They have a game they love but the developer does nothing but fuck up (or at least that's what they think). Would you not be pissed?
it's unfortunate Blizzard placed a major WCS weekend on the same weekend as TI3. However, WCS was clearly slammed together in a hurried and haphazard fashion. I can understand why people are not happy, but they should not be surprised.
none of this stops you from "loving the game". the most fun for me is getting together in "rl" with 3 friends and playing 2v2s while yelling and screaming at each other. Blizzard could cancel the WCS and we'll still have a great time.
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On July 23 2013 22:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:11 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2013 19:55 soverRR wrote:On July 23 2013 19:47 virpi wrote:
I've never watched dota, I have deactivated all dota related stuff on TL, so for me the whole thing is no big deal. But it really, really sucks for people who love both games. What the hell was Blizzard thinking? They'll definitely lose viewers during the times TI will be on. Even if you don't want to watch Dota, you should take offense from this poor planning from Blizzard. The key part is that if your not offended, you need to change that. You should also be disgusted, disappointed and a bunch of other words people use to complain on TL with. If you think everything is fine, you need to update your standards until you are offended to a sufficient level to post about it. Do you have to turn into a prick every single time people disagree with your opinion?
No, I rarely do at all. I do get snippy in response to the dog piling that happens on the internet whenever something like this happens. The amount of "internet outrage" gets tiresome and TL seems really prone to it, more so that other communities I am part of. I also get tired of community figures running to reddit and TL posting their outrage, only furthering the drama.
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On July 23 2013 22:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:38 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 Taipoka wrote:On July 23 2013 19:00 graNite wrote:On July 23 2013 18:56 Sissors wrote:On July 23 2013 18:10 SkelA wrote:
TI2 made me switch 100% from watching BW/SC2 last year and I regret nothing seeing what happened with SC2 and blizzard in general.
What happened to SC2 and blizzard in general? the new wcs system happened. bnet0.2. do i need to continue? Yes. Throw all your fellings (Hate), it can make you feel better. For some people, it's a much more bitter disappointment. Why is that so hard to understand? They have a game they love but the developer does nothing but fuck up (or at least that's what they think). Would you not be pissed? it's unfortunate Blizzard placed a major WCS weekend on the same weekend as TI3. However, WCS was clearly slammed together in a hurried and haphazard fashion. I can understand why people are not happy, but they should not be surprised.
Oh I definitely agree with that, and like I said in a previous post I also think they made the best they could out of the situation they were in. But at the same time, they deserve every single bit of the flak they get for mismanaging the WCS to the point where it *has* gotten to this situation. They did that themselves when they half-assedly hamfisted the WCS in. They promised the biggest thing in SC2 (which it definitely has the potential to be) and yet they deliver nothing but failure after failure. I think the community has the right to voice concerns and dismay, and while many of the posters here are ignorant of the subtleties and intricacies of the situation, it's still unfair and childish to dismiss every complaint as doomsaying and whining.
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On July 23 2013 22:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:38 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 Taipoka wrote:On July 23 2013 19:00 graNite wrote:On July 23 2013 18:56 Sissors wrote:On July 23 2013 18:10 SkelA wrote:
TI2 made me switch 100% from watching BW/SC2 last year and I regret nothing seeing what happened with SC2 and blizzard in general.
What happened to SC2 and blizzard in general? the new wcs system happened. bnet0.2. do i need to continue? Yes. Throw all your fellings (Hate), it can make you feel better. For some people, it's a much more bitter disappointment. Why is that so hard to understand? They have a game they love but the developer does nothing but fuck up (or at least that's what they think). Would you not be pissed? it's unfortunate Blizzard placed a major WCS weekend on the same weekend as TI3. However, WCS was clearly slammed together in a hurried and haphazard fashion. I can understand why people are not happy, but they should not be surprised. none of this stops you from "loving the game". the most fun for me is getting together in "rl" with 3 friends and playing 2v2s while yelling and screaming at each other. Blizzard could cancel the WCS and we'll still have a great time.
the wcs is much better organized than people make it out to be.3 wcs regions finals at the same time might be just a new idea blizzard was trying out to create a sort of marathon just like at hots launch.The overlap with ti3 is unfortunate but just as many comentators here pointed out they did not have enough time between regionals and gamesconfinals.Too many sc2 tournies.Which is in fact no excuse but still beside the fact with the overlap I think it is quite interesting to have a 2 day sc marathon with one regional final hyping out the next.
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totalbrit and destiny.Where would the sc2 community be without their continuous whining  .At least totalbrit invests in the sc2 scene and knows how to attract viewers.Destiny on the other hand plays lol fulltime and still whines about blizzard .And now he somehow dragged liquidsheth out of all people in the qq/whine/rage group
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On July 23 2013 22:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 20:11 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2013 19:55 soverRR wrote:On July 23 2013 19:47 virpi wrote:
I've never watched dota, I have deactivated all dota related stuff on TL, so for me the whole thing is no big deal. But it really, really sucks for people who love both games. What the hell was Blizzard thinking? They'll definitely lose viewers during the times TI will be on. Even if you don't want to watch Dota, you should take offense from this poor planning from Blizzard. The key part is that if your not offended, you need to change that. You should also be disgusted, disappointed and a bunch of other words people use to complain on TL with. If you think everything is fine, you need to update your standards until you are offended to a sufficient level to post about it. Do you have to turn into a prick every single time people disagree with your opinion? No, I rarely do at all. I do get snippy in response to the dog piling that happens on the internet whenever something like this happens. The amount of "internet outrage" gets tiresome and TL seems really prone to it, more so that other communities I am part of. I also get tired of community figures running to reddit and TL posting their outrage, only furthering the drama.
We get it. You're a Fonzie-tier cool guy and this doesn't concern you. We really get it. But some people are passionate about SC2. They really like the game, and they like the competition, the proscene. They love it. Take one step back and consider that maybe some of these people don't like to see the object of their passion getting shit on by the sheer incompetence of the people supposedly in charge of it. Consider that maybe they don't want to see it run into the ground. And now double that disappointment when they see a developer like Valve do pretty much everything right when it comes to managing their game and keeping their community pleased, at least as regards DotA 2.
I want you to empathize with these people for a bit. Yeah, there are people who have no idea what they're talking about and yeah there are a few who do nothing but jump on bandwagons. But I want you to stop for a second and understand that Blizzard has been doing nothing but shitting on passionate fans' dreams and joy for the last handful of years. It doesn't matter to you, but to those fans it matters.
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On July 23 2013 22:13 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 23 2013 19:38 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 Taipoka wrote:On July 23 2013 19:00 graNite wrote:On July 23 2013 18:56 Sissors wrote:On July 23 2013 18:10 SkelA wrote:
TI2 made me switch 100% from watching BW/SC2 last year and I regret nothing seeing what happened with SC2 and blizzard in general.
What happened to SC2 and blizzard in general? the new wcs system happened. bnet0.2. do i need to continue? Yes. Throw all your fellings (Hate), it can make you feel better. For some people, it's a much more bitter disappointment. Why is that so hard to understand? They have a game they love but the developer does nothing but fuck up (or at least that's what they think). Would you not be pissed? it's unfortunate Blizzard placed a major WCS weekend on the same weekend as TI3. However, WCS was clearly slammed together in a hurried and haphazard fashion. I can understand why people are not happy, but they should not be surprised. none of this stops you from "loving the game". the most fun for me is getting together in "rl" with 3 friends and playing 2v2s while yelling and screaming at each other. Blizzard could cancel the WCS and we'll still have a great time. the wcs is much better organized than people make it out to be.3 wcs regions finals at the same time might be just a new idea blizzard was trying out to create a sort of marathon just like at hots launch.The overlap with ti3 is unfortunate but just as many comentators here pointed out they did not have enough time between regionals and gamesconfinals.Too many sc2 tournies.Which is in fact no excuse but still beside the fact with the overlap I think it is quite interesting to have a 2 day sc marathon with one regional final hyping out the next. @plansix totalbrit and destiny.Where would the sc2 community be without their continuous whining .At least totalbrit invests in the sc2 scene and knows how to attract viewers.Destiny on the other hand plays lol fulltime and still whines about blizzard .And now he somehow dragged liquidsheth out of all people in the qq/whine/rage group
I think they are doing the best with the hand they are dealt. I looked at GOM schedule too and they seem full up on World of Tanks stuff for the rest of that month, with gamescon-finals, World of Tanks NA finals for NASL and other things, I don’t think there was ever going to be room in August. I don’t know what Riot is doing, but their season of LCS also wraps up on the August 18th, so they would be running something shortly after that too. Its not ideal, but it is only one season finals. As long as Riot doesn’t set their LCS world finals the same weekend as Blizzcon, I think SC2 will have a great finals in November.
I like TB a lot and he is a great member of the community. But I rarely pay attention to any of his first impressions on twitter, since he is prone to commenting without looking into details. He is really good once he has all the information, but he loves to comment without it. Incontrol(god bless the big guy) is also prone to doing that stuff without talking to people. Really, I just want everyone to be Artosis and be understated until its time to comment and then rip into people if necessary.
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Why is this community only whining... For once i'll give a chance... let's see what Blizzard has to show us and maybe complain after... why not keep calm and give a chance? I understand the Dota2 issue, but there are so many tournaments nowadays that it would have been in the same time than an other event anyway, LoL or so.... I love that game and I'll give a chance to be amazed by the WCS. Cheer up everyone. ...... .. ... AND ROOT4ROOT !!!
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Well, I would have probably watched at least some of WCS with some friends if it wasn't conflicting with TI3. But since it is, we'll all be watching TI3 instead.
Hopefully Blizzard learns a lesson from this (and hopefully they somehow learn that lesson before this actually happens, so they can change the scheduling).
On July 23 2013 22:25 MarkyMark69 wrote:Why is this community only whining... For once i'll give a chance... let's see what Blizzard has to show us and maybe complain after... why not keep calm and give a chance? I understand the Dota2 issue, but there are so many tournaments nowadays that it would have been in the same time than an other event anyway, LoL or so.... I love that game and I'll give a chance to be amazed by the WCS. Cheer up everyone. ...... .. ... AND ROOT4ROOT !!!
The thing is, this is THE Dota tournament. It happens once a year. There aren't "so many tournaments nowadays that they can't avoid this". There's one tournament they needed to avoid. And they didn't.
Also, a ton of people won't actually be seeing what Blizzard has to show us, because they'll be watching TI3 instead. There are a TON of people who enjoy/follow both games.
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" it's nearly impossible to avoid all conflicts. Many major weekend events already host multiple games, which are running simultaneous game streams in conflict with each other."
Then Blizzard should at least be wise enough to ensure their premier product does not go up against TI3. TI3 is not a random Starladder or something.
TI3 is going to absolutely decimate WCS's viewership, and they have a client in which people can watch from, and a backup stream @ Youtube for whenever twitch inevitably dies horribly.
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So now Blizzard should care about Dota 2 tournaments as well ? That is complete nonsense. It is hard enough to dodge all of the big SC2 tournaments... Now you want from them to dodge TI3, whats next ? LCS ? What about not doing tournaments at all, because there is so much tournaments for the other games ? If you want to watch TI3 - watch TI3, if you want to watch SC2 - watch WCS. Yes, it's that easy.
Guess what... On the same dates a round of the bulgarian football league is played. I don't thing that any eSports tournament should overlap with that. Cancel all the tournaments now !!!
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On July 23 2013 22:26 Angra wrote:Well, I would have probably watched at least some of WCS with some friends if it wasn't conflicting with TI3. But since it is, we'll all be watching TI3 instead. Hopefully Blizzard learns a lesson from this (and hopefully they somehow learn that lesson before this actually happens, so they can change the scheduling). Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:25 MarkyMark69 wrote:Why is this community only whining... For once i'll give a chance... let's see what Blizzard has to show us and maybe complain after... why not keep calm and give a chance? I understand the Dota2 issue, but there are so many tournaments nowadays that it would have been in the same time than an other event anyway, LoL or so.... I love that game and I'll give a chance to be amazed by the WCS. Cheer up everyone. ...... .. ... AND ROOT4ROOT !!! The thing is, this is THE Dota tournament. It happens once a year. There aren't "so many tournaments nowadays that they can't avoid this". There's one tournament they needed to avoid. And they didn't. Also, a ton of people won't actually be seeing what Blizzard has to show us, because they'll be watching TI3 instead. There are a TON of people who enjoy/follow both games.
Well sir, that's a point of view I havn't really thought about... I kindda agree with you suddenly ... haha..
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On July 23 2013 22:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:10 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2013 22:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 20:11 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2013 19:55 soverRR wrote:On July 23 2013 19:47 virpi wrote:
I've never watched dota, I have deactivated all dota related stuff on TL, so for me the whole thing is no big deal. But it really, really sucks for people who love both games. What the hell was Blizzard thinking? They'll definitely lose viewers during the times TI will be on. Even if you don't want to watch Dota, you should take offense from this poor planning from Blizzard. The key part is that if your not offended, you need to change that. You should also be disgusted, disappointed and a bunch of other words people use to complain on TL with. If you think everything is fine, you need to update your standards until you are offended to a sufficient level to post about it. Do you have to turn into a prick every single time people disagree with your opinion? No, I rarely do at all. I do get snippy in response to the dog piling that happens on the internet whenever something like this happens. The amount of "internet outrage" gets tiresome and TL seems really prone to it, more so that other communities I am part of. I also get tired of community figures running to reddit and TL posting their outrage, only furthering the drama. We get it. You're a Fonzie-tier cool guy and this doesn't concern you. We really get it. But some people are passionate about SC2. They really like the game, and they like the competition, the proscene. They love it. Take one step back and consider that maybe some of these people don't like to see the object of their passion getting shit on by the sheer incompetence of the people supposedly in charge of it. Consider that maybe they don't want to see it run into the ground. And now double that disappointment when they see a developer like Valve do pretty much everything right when it comes to managing their game and keeping their community pleased, at least as regards DotA 2. I want you to empathize with these people for a bit. Yeah, there are people who have no idea what they're talking about and yeah there are a few who do nothing but jump on bandwagons. But I want you to stop for a second and understand that Blizzard has been doing nothing but shitting on passionate fans' dreams and joy for the last handful of years. It doesn't matter to you, but to those fans it matters.
I would love for WCS to have its own weekend and it’s a bummer that its on the same weekend at TI3. But that’s it, it is a bummer, nothing more. I can and will watch both with style, and catch up on what I missed during the down time. If you read this thread without the context, someone could believe that Blizzard had canceled all of WCS or told everyone they could no longer stream SC2 on twitch. I get that people are upset, but the level of outrage and anger over a conflict of schedule that can’t be avoided is surreal.
Edit: For those saying that Blizzard should pick any other weekend, they can't do that because the production crews(GOM, ELS and NASL) all have other events and finals they are working on the other weekends.
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