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On July 23 2013 22:29 Resilient wrote:
" it's nearly impossible to avoid all conflicts. Many major weekend events already host multiple games, which are running simultaneous game streams in conflict with each other."
Then Blizzard should at least be wise enough to ensure their premier product does not go up against TI3. TI3 is not a random Starladder or something.
TI3 is going to absolutely decimate WCS's viewership, and they have a client in which people can watch from, and a backup stream @ Youtube for whenever twitch inevitably dies horribly.
So they should instead screw over one of their partners by planning it during their tournaments? Sounds also like a great business model.
Anyway WCS AM had bad viewership anyway, depending on the time the matches for both are played WCS EU shouldn't overlap too much anyway.
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On July 23 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 22:10 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2013 22:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 23 2013 20:11 Plansix wrote:On July 23 2013 19:55 soverRR wrote:On July 23 2013 19:47 virpi wrote:
I've never watched dota, I have deactivated all dota related stuff on TL, so for me the whole thing is no big deal. But it really, really sucks for people who love both games. What the hell was Blizzard thinking? They'll definitely lose viewers during the times TI will be on. Even if you don't want to watch Dota, you should take offense from this poor planning from Blizzard. The key part is that if your not offended, you need to change that. You should also be disgusted, disappointed and a bunch of other words people use to complain on TL with. If you think everything is fine, you need to update your standards until you are offended to a sufficient level to post about it. Do you have to turn into a prick every single time people disagree with your opinion? No, I rarely do at all. I do get snippy in response to the dog piling that happens on the internet whenever something like this happens. The amount of "internet outrage" gets tiresome and TL seems really prone to it, more so that other communities I am part of. I also get tired of community figures running to reddit and TL posting their outrage, only furthering the drama. We get it. You're a Fonzie-tier cool guy and this doesn't concern you. We really get it. But some people are passionate about SC2. They really like the game, and they like the competition, the proscene. They love it. Take one step back and consider that maybe some of these people don't like to see the object of their passion getting shit on by the sheer incompetence of the people supposedly in charge of it. Consider that maybe they don't want to see it run into the ground. And now double that disappointment when they see a developer like Valve do pretty much everything right when it comes to managing their game and keeping their community pleased, at least as regards DotA 2. I want you to empathize with these people for a bit. Yeah, there are people who have no idea what they're talking about and yeah there are a few who do nothing but jump on bandwagons. But I want you to stop for a second and understand that Blizzard has been doing nothing but shitting on passionate fans' dreams and joy for the last handful of years. It doesn't matter to you, but to those fans it matters. I would love for WCS to have its own weekend and it’s a bummer that its on the same weekend at TI3. But that’s it, it is a bummer, nothing more. I can and will watch both with style, and catch up on what I missed during the down time. If you read this thread without the context, someone could believe that Blizzard had canceled all of WCS or told everyone they could no longer stream SC2 on twitch. I get that people are upset, but the level of outrage and anger over a conflict of schedule that can’t be avoided is surreal.
Again. You need to understand that some people care more than you do. It's really as simple as that. There's no argument to be won here, just different opinions.
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On July 23 2013 22:30 Pr0wler wrote:
So now Blizzard should care about Dota 2 tournaments as well ? That is complete nonsense. It is hard enough to dodge all of the big SC2 tournaments... Now you want from them to dodge TI3, whats next ? LCS ? What about not doing tournaments at all, because there is so much tournaments for the other games ? If you want to watch TI3 - watch TI3, if you want to watch SC2 - watch WCS. Yes, it's that easy.
Guess what... On the same dates a round of the bulgarian football league is played. I don't thing that any eSports tournament should overlap with that. Cancel all the tournaments now !!!
I don't think you understand the point here. All 3 WCS are going on the same weekend, which is bad enough. Then you have Dota's World Cup/Superbowl/Wimbledon etc etc to compete with too.
The numbers WCS is going to get are going to be a tiny fraction of what they would get on literally any other weekend. You do NOT compete with TI3.
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so in fact you guys are worried that the numbers are going to be low? what difference does it make to you if theres 50k watching or 10k ? the games are not going to be of less quality because there's less people watching. i guess it's the "the sky is falling"-mentality all over again.
the only concern i understand is from people who would love to watch both events. but the sky wont fall and blizzard didn't kill sc2 because the sc2 stream is missing 50% of it's viewers because there's TI3 on
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On July 23 2013 22:36 Resilient wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:30 Pr0wler wrote:
So now Blizzard should care about Dota 2 tournaments as well ? That is complete nonsense. It is hard enough to dodge all of the big SC2 tournaments... Now you want from them to dodge TI3, whats next ? LCS ? What about not doing tournaments at all, because there is so much tournaments for the other games ? If you want to watch TI3 - watch TI3, if you want to watch SC2 - watch WCS. Yes, it's that easy.
Guess what... On the same dates a round of the bulgarian football league is played. I don't thing that any eSports tournament should overlap with that. Cancel all the tournaments now !!! I don't think you understand the point here. All 3 WCS are going on the same weekend, which is bad enough. Then you have Dota's World Cup/Superbowl/Wimbledon etc etc to compete with too. The numbers WCS is going to get are going to be a tiny fraction of what they would get on literally any other weekend. You do NOT compete with TI3.
hmmm not really.NA wasnt getting good numbers in the first place and until they introduce the studio qualifiers from next it year to eliminate the code a koreans they will not get good numbers.Korea is sort of independent of dota2.OGN is a big live television which gets most of its money and viewers from korea.They do not care that much about foreign viewership.The only issue might be in eu but eu fans have proven that even in overlapping events such as lcs overlapping other sc2 tournies they still watch in large numbers.
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On July 23 2013 22:36 Resilient wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:30 Pr0wler wrote:
So now Blizzard should care about Dota 2 tournaments as well ? That is complete nonsense. It is hard enough to dodge all of the big SC2 tournaments... Now you want from them to dodge TI3, whats next ? LCS ? What about not doing tournaments at all, because there is so much tournaments for the other games ? If you want to watch TI3 - watch TI3, if you want to watch SC2 - watch WCS. Yes, it's that easy.
Guess what... On the same dates a round of the bulgarian football league is played. I don't thing that any eSports tournament should overlap with that. Cancel all the tournaments now !!! I don't think you understand the point here. All 3 WCS are going on the same weekend, which is bad enough. Then you have Dota's World Cup/Superbowl/Wimbledon etc etc to compete with too. The numbers WCS is going to get are going to be a tiny fraction of what they would get on literally any other weekend. You do NOT compete with TI3.
First of all I can't understand why all 3 WCS on same weekend is bad. It's not like they will overlap. Second - Forgive me that, but I must say that "Dota's World Cup" is nothing close to Superbowl/Wimbledon or even the Voleyball world cup...
And third - I don't think that Blizzard should care about Dota 2. As I said, it's hard enough to dodge everything SC2.
Personally I will watch both streams and some football on the TV(Yeah sick multitasking  )... Sounds like a great weekend to me, I don't know why everyone is freaking out.
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On July 23 2013 22:43 ratbert wrote:
so in fact you guys are worried that the numbers are going to be low? what difference does it make to you if theres 50k watching or 10k ? the games are not going to be of less quality because there's less people watching. i guess it's the "the sky is falling"-mentality all over again.
the only concern i understand is from people who would love to watch both events. but the sky wont fall and blizzard didn't kill sc2 because the sc2 stream is missing 50% of it's viewers because there's TI3 on
Low viewership might not matter to you, but it matters to Blizzard and more importantly, sponsors of teams, tournaments and in general, the scene. If WCS, Blizzard's premier tournament gets embarassed by TI3 (they already are with this PR nonsense) then there will be less investment in the scene.
Even Riot, the most egotistical company around were smart enough to schedule around TI3, their biggest rival. Blizard not doing the same is the same as falling on your sword.
Viewership matters. A lot.
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On July 23 2013 22:43 ratbert wrote:
so in fact you guys are worried that the numbers are going to be low? what difference does it make to you if theres 50k watching or 10k ? the games are not going to be of less quality because there's less people watching. i guess it's the "the sky is falling"-mentality all over again.
the only concern i understand is from people who would love to watch both events. but the sky wont fall and blizzard didn't kill sc2 because the sc2 stream is missing 50% of it's viewers because there's TI3 on
Hahaha what. Don't you understand the one thing that makes this scene sustainable is viewership? No sponsor is going to want to get involved if your regional finals only pull 10k, while that "other major eSports event" pulls 500k+.
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On July 23 2013 22:52 Resilient wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:43 ratbert wrote:
so in fact you guys are worried that the numbers are going to be low? what difference does it make to you if theres 50k watching or 10k ? the games are not going to be of less quality because there's less people watching. i guess it's the "the sky is falling"-mentality all over again.
the only concern i understand is from people who would love to watch both events. but the sky wont fall and blizzard didn't kill sc2 because the sc2 stream is missing 50% of it's viewers because there's TI3 on Low viewership might not matter to you, but it matters to Blizzard and more importantly, sponsors of teams, tournaments and in general, the scene. If WCS, Blizzard's premier tournament gets embarassed by TI3 (they already are with this PR nonsense) then there will be less investment in the scene. Even Riot, the most egotistical company around were smart enough to schedule around TI3, their biggest rival. Blizard not doing the same is the same as falling on your sword. Viewership matters. A lot.
I think most sponsors already have a realistic view of sc2 and dota 2 numbers.They also know the international 3 is the most important esports event of the year.Nobody actually expects any sc2 event to make bigger numbers than the international.Do not think it matters that much really.What difference does it make if The international gets 1 mil views on one weekend and sc2 gets 200k the next weekend or if the international gets 1 mil views on the same weekend sc2 gets 200k views.Same stuff really.We will see the viewership numbers and only then make a judgement
@ch33p33p
actually money made from casualfans is the thing that keeps the proscenes alive since it gives companies money to invest in the proscene.Viewership matters but not as much as companies investing in the came.World of tanks/call of duty are good examples.Activision has I think I have seen somewhere has more money invested in the proscene than blizzard and they only get viewers in the USA during mlg.And even then they lag behind sc2. But cod sells a lot so activision can afford a proscene
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After shooting themselves in the foot, they proceed to rub salt into it themselves and pour kerosene and lit it on fire.
Just admit that you fucked up and man up for it instead of finding excuses. TI3 schedule was released almost half a year ago doods.
It sucks so much for people who have been following WCS games and now are gonna completely miss out on watching it LIVE because of either going to TI3 or watching TI3.
SIGH FKING SIGH.
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On July 23 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:
Edit: For those saying that Blizzard should pick any other weekend, they can't do that because the production crews(GOM, ELS and NASL) all have other events and finals they are working on the other weekends.
You are saying its sensible because its the only free weekend. But its the only free weekend because nobody else was dumb enough to clash with TI3. Also it wouldnt be the only free weekend if Blizzard planned far enough ahead and didnt leave it to the last minute.
Edit: This is the equivalent of someones fiance luckily finding a free weekend earlier than they expected for their wedding and it just so happens to clash with the world cup final.
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TI3 is the biggest eSport event of the year. Or at least top 2.
How do you fuck up this badly, Blizzard?
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On July 23 2013 23:27 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:
Edit: For those saying that Blizzard should pick any other weekend, they can't do that because the production crews(GOM, ELS and NASL) all have other events and finals they are working on the other weekends. You are saying its sensible because its the only free weekend. But its the only free weekend because nobody else was dumb enough to clash with TI3. Also it wouldnt be the only free weekend if Blizzard planned far enough ahead and didnt leave it to the last minute.
I am not saying is sensible or ideal. Clearly this is a product of WCS being delayed for so long and the groups involved not having enough time or a clear plan for the entire year. It is Blizzards fault due to the delay and that it took them so long to get GOM and OGN to work together back when WCS was started. Its not ideal or great in any fashion, but there are not a lot of options due to an overloaded August. But just because it isn’t ideal, doesn’t mean it is a massive, unforgivable failure that will sink SC2, WCS and every SC2 team all at once. Its annoying, but no more annoying that two great football games playing at the same time.
Also, the world finals for season 2 is 2 weeks later at Gamescon. So they need to get this done ASAP.
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Oooh ! I just realized that August 10 - 11 is right in the middle of my two weeks of summer holidays !
Esports-athon, here I come ! \o/
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Sleep is for the weak!
Ugh blizzard trying to kill us..
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Stupid move that will backfire for everybody..
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I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement.
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On July 23 2013 23:41 Plansix wrote:
Its annoying, but no more annoying that two great football games playing at the same time.
What if the two great football games being played at the same time were the Champions League and World Cup finals?
I imagine it would be a little bit more than "annoying".
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On July 23 2013 23:51 opisska wrote:
I just randomly scanned the thread, but it seems to be 30 pages of "WCS is screwed, they should not go against TI3". Why is everyone here suddenly so full of DOTA? Is it because it is newer and shinier? And why are there so many people so crazy about not missing some DOTA tourney on a starcraft website? I sure as hell won't miss WCS finals for some other game! (I might, honestly, miss it for birdwatching or going to the mountains, though.)
I say, TI3 is screwed, now it has to compete for viewers with THREE FUCKING WCS FINALS. I woudln't really want to be the organizer ot TI3 after this announcement.
Lol... I would be surprised if any of the WCS that run during TI3 get over 40k viewers... Or if Twitch wold actually not just break down...
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What the fuck is this shit?
They could have picked literally every weekend of the year and it would still have been a better decision than to do this on the weekend TI3 is played. Like even parallel to the Superbowl would have been better.
I'm equally a Sc2 and Dota 2 fan but no way in hell i'm going to miss out on TI3, so good luck with that decision Blizz...
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