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red_hq
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 21:13:09
July 08 2013 21:07 GMT
#81
On July 09 2013 05:44 scDeluX wrote:
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On July 09 2013 05:28 red_hq wrote:
I tried this once, it doesn't work.

Biggest Reasons:

It is hard to prevent people from smurfing.

Impossible without having webcam live feed? Only other option I can think of is hotkey analysis

There is generally a lack of interest.

As previously stated, I think it would never be popular if not open-source because it would be illegal

It's hard to stop hackers.

Only solution is live-stream?

People WILL abuse the customer support system

I don't see this as a problem. Human interraction to a minimum everything would need to be clearly define before the playing, open-source software needed.

More specific Reasons why it is hard for a third party:

Money Handling is hard and so is getting people to trust you with it.

Third party would act as an escrow (referee type) and would not handle money directly, I can see something being worked out with bitcoin (or other online currency) which would not be that hard





The link was me trying this very thing:

EDIT: I Just remembered I'm full of shit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=177332

EDIT: The Actual Tournament Thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182313
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
July 08 2013 21:13 GMT
#82
Blizzard wouldn't allow you to do this they would sue you for everything you were worth. Also your idea is stupid.
red_hq
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
July 08 2013 21:14 GMT
#83
On July 09 2013 06:13 HeeroFX wrote:
Blizzard wouldn't allow you to do this they would sue you for everything you were worth. Also your idea is stupid.


No they let you, in fact I have gotten permission before too. It's just everyone says they'd be down and then no one signs up...
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HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
July 08 2013 21:22 GMT
#84
On July 09 2013 01:55 Waise wrote:
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On July 09 2013 01:50 HardlyNever wrote:
And yes, people would do that, even for small amounts of money.


sure people would do it, but i personally think those of us who know it's a mathematically losing proposition have a moral responsibility to prevent people from buying into this


I mean... If you're a pro-level player with maphack turned on a barcode account... I'd do it, even with the ridiculous rake you'd still make money.

If you're not that... then this probably isn't for you.
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Batiste
Profile Joined May 2013
United Kingdom69 Posts
July 08 2013 21:33 GMT
#85
I find it funny that some of you are thinking that I'm making a site that will do this and want money from it LOL you guys need to read the actual thread instead reading comments, I said Blizzard or a extremely wealthy business should do it.. If only TL would let me tell you the website I'm using as an example, also the facts that you're all saying, the rake is ridiculous and and that no one would ever do this, yet 200,000 people do it and are signed up on the site. I really need an admin to clear the comments of people who just here to troll and haven't read the thread, only 1 person actually gave a good comment on why it's not a good idea... Others, just here ti jump on the bandwagon, I don't know where you got it from that I was going to make a site etc
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Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
July 08 2013 21:35 GMT
#86
On July 09 2013 05:56 Zaphid wrote:
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On July 09 2013 05:45 Cheerio wrote:
If someone came to TL forums and proposed a business plan for the first ever casino in the world what do you think would have happened? He would get flamed and told this would never work. This idea is similar. It is supposed to take advantege of people and, if you ask me, there are lots of people to be taken advantage of, sc2 community included. TL is just not the right place to ask for support or feedback for such an idea. On the other hand how many times have you seen people trash talking and saying they would own you any other game, just not the previous one. Inviting someone to such an arena is a solution. And there are other examples when such a thing could be of use. Smart people will stay away from it because there are too many people who would go at great lengths to scum you for money, but not everyone is smart. Overall the abuse potential is just huge so this would never be fair. One interesting way of developing this idea is to accept that people would try to scum others and you can't stop it. The ammount of people who think they are smarter than others is huge. Lots of them will be attracted by easy money gained from underperforming and devaluating their skill and score (by losing low-bet games if needed). But in the end it will end up with scammers against scammers under bronze league accounts or something. So theoretically this could work, but Blizzard will never allow it.

Point of casinos isn't for people to win, the casinos need to make a profit, that's why there is so much legislation to make sure they don't straight up rip people off. This idea on the other hand is presented as "fun way to play against other people". Yeah, right. Solid business shouldn't be built on screwing over people who can't make the necessary math and definitely should be shunned by TL community if that is the case - see every shitty tournament organizer who doesn't pay out the prize money.

I don't really understand your point. The way this idea is presented is irrelevant. It can be presented differently, but the core idea won't change. Which is to create some service that would generate some cashflow and take a percentage of it. Casinos work on a similar method.
DsT-Napoleon
Profile Joined May 2013
38 Posts
July 08 2013 23:04 GMT
#87
I think to be viable you should completely ignore leagues and rather play for stakes as in Online Poker. Using leagues would only increase lying and cheating it would be best to delete them entirely. In theory the lower level players will play for lower stakes etc. It would still be difficult for average players to profit from this but if you are really good I can see it being good as well as maybe encouraging more activity. However if you look at things like ladder anxiety which supposedly stop many players from playing 1v1 imagine anxiety from losing money.
rezzan
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden329 Posts
July 08 2013 23:12 GMT
#88
if i go google i bet i can find alot of "average player" leagues where theres a small sum of money to win and ofc the fame.

so i dont see this being anywhere good for anyone... also blizzard wouldnt care about it either to be honest.. they have already like oh so many different tournaments going plus they got wow..so they got more money than they can ever spend... so this will just occupy them in a way thats not efficent for them as a company..


but i can only speak for myself,huh?
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jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 08 2013 23:44 GMT
#89
How is this thread not closed?
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
July 08 2013 23:49 GMT
#90
It just wouldn't work for any league other than high masters or GM, and those players are generally already making some money. Would be SO easy to smurf and make easy money.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
July 08 2013 23:52 GMT
#91
On July 09 2013 06:33 Batiste wrote:
I find it funny that some of you are thinking that I'm making a site that will do this and want money from it LOL you guys need to read the actual thread instead reading comments, I said Blizzard or a extremely wealthy business should do it.. If only TL would let me tell you the website I'm using as an example, also the facts that you're all saying, the rake is ridiculous and and that no one would ever do this, yet 200,000 people do it and are signed up on the site. I really need an admin to clear the comments of people who just here to troll and haven't read the thread, only 1 person actually gave a good comment on why it's not a good idea... Others, just here ti jump on the bandwagon, I don't know where you got it from that I was going to make a site etc


lol even if this site has 200000 members there's no way in hell even 1% of them are betting on their own 1v1 SC2 games.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 00:56:16
July 09 2013 00:55 GMT
#92
People do money matches for street fighter, mostly in between players.


You serving as the intermediator, so cool idea.

On July 09 2013 08:49 IcedBacon wrote:
It just wouldn't work for any league other than high masters or GM, and those players are generally already making some money. Would be SO easy to smurf and make easy money.


You mean like pool sharks
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Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
July 15 2013 19:24 GMT
#93
On July 09 2013 02:17 Batiste wrote:
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On July 09 2013 01:50 Nirel wrote:
You'd have to be at a 62% winrate just to brake even. It seems like a way to just steal people money to me. You'd get better rates at the casino.


Win rate doesn't matter seriously,, If I lost a game for say $50 but won a game for $100, that's 50%Win rate but I'd be $28's up


it definitely does, because you will play more then 2 games. In the long run you will need to have a 62% winrate
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