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So before I start this off I made this thread before but it got shut down due to links I used as apparently I was trying to promote another website so I'll be retyping the whole thing again and you guys will have to use your imagination I'm afraid (I might make some kinda picture of it for you or cut out the url etc)
So for the imaginative minds who can't see it working don't just post crap and remember this works for others games so saying '' No one would ever do this '' If you have nothing productive to say... don't say it
Hello, I've been watching Starcraft for ages and mainly what you the community has is tournaments which is really viable for lesser talented Starcraft competitive gamers, but what if you could play 1v1 for Cash?
Why doesn't Blizzard do what other games do? Blizzard with make money from every game played and it's very profitable for players too.
Now this a style from a site who does this and I'll walk you through what they do.
Pick the game you want to play... go into a lobby where other games will be and there will be a big chat room where gamers will speak and decide who they want to play
(Admin just message me if things need to be taken off or give me notice so I can rearrange things)
Now lets say you can go into a lobby like this, and when you play you'll get a skill level and maybe if a starcraft one got made you could also add there rank and add separate lobbies for Bronze, Silver, Gold etc
http://vvcap.net/db/9Lrp7-LcFTQGGkleMg4R.htp
Now you may say, well people will pretend they're in gold and never rank up, this is why a record could be placed so if they have a good record others will avoid them in that same category
Then you find someone to challenge and put the price in and see if they guy accepts, (Just an example) let's say you placed a $20 Challenge bet, the winner will receive $35.20 (as the company takes 12% of the prize pot)
http://vvcap.net/db/_q0NUsDSa0qqFTflem9f.htp
Then add a rule like, what map you want to play or something along those lines
So basically the point I'm making is Blizzard can make more money, less known players can make money and potentially get noticed by beating some good players etc.. It's a way for people to get noticed, then Blizzard could also add little tournaments on there with a buy in price and it will just make life easier, and the less talented players can have a chance on gaining some cash
Now with WCS around Blizzard are throwing a lot of money into it, now imagine how much bigger that prize pool would be in WCS if they take that 12% they make from every money game played. The site that does this does a $1million dollar tournament every year.. so that's how much they can give back to the community as they make that much off the gambling profits of gamers. That 12% they keep pays for staff, and little tournaments and bigger ones, so everyone is happy and richer (if they're smart)
(Well what about cheaters and multi-accounts)
Before you can withdraw your money you earned they have to send their ID to the company and get a validation.
Please ask me questions if you have any.
No silly comments again like '' everyone will cheese so stupid idea ''
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can only speak for myself, but i would never ever do that
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this business model makes no sense... if the return is 0% for a loss and less than 200% for a win, every player will lose money assuming a 50/50 winrate. financially it would only benefit the company hosting it or someone who could guarantee a winrate higher than 50% (in other words you would have to be preying on players you already know can't beat you)
it's also a pyramid scheme, and a really poorly-designed one at that
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I wouldn't do it, but I can imagine people would, and I don't see that much wrong with it.
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Not sure why someone would do this given that we know hackers are always around. Though like the previous poster said, I can only speak for myself.
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I think there are more than enough cups and tournament qualifiers for everyone out there to feel competetive at any level of play.
I might do this untill I lost my first game and then would just spend my time practicing rather than losing money.
Also everyone will cheese so stupid idea!
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On July 09 2013 01:39 Waise wrote:
this business model makes no sense... if the return is 0% for a loss and less than 200% for a win, every player will lose money assuming a 50/50 winrate. financially it would only benefit the company hosting it or someone who could guarantee a winrate higher than 50% (in other words you would have to be preying on players you already know can't beat you)
it's also a pyramid scheme, and a really poorly-designed one at that
It works the exact same way as online poker, but i guess that business model "makes no sense"
holy cow
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ye its a good idea in theory but it all boils down to . . the guy ur playing aint really at that level. Back in the day of playhem really enjoyed doing the daily bz-gold tournies . . .when i actually was gold but i never got out of the first couple of brackets . . i was top 1 in the gold league ehhehehe . . i should ownz all these bz and silver level playas . . . No. On looking at reps they have 215 apm in most cases and the tell tale was looking at their highest division reached to see they were mostly all dias and masters . .
so. . . i suppose you could play for cash but its just far too heavily flawed, not to mention cheaters and the like. Its a great idea but its something which cannot be truly policed . . other than that i could get another account in 5 mins on another email do the necessary to make it look legit bz and away i go!
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You'd have to be at a 62% winrate just to brake even. It seems like a way to just steal people money to me. You'd get better rates at the casino.
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Seems impossible to police all the smurfs and barcodes. I think it would be way too easy to game the system, and that is without even factoring in maphackers.
And yes, people would do that, even for small amounts of money.
As others have said, I'd never try this; I would expect to get scammed one way or another.
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On July 09 2013 01:48 skirmisheR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 01:39 Waise wrote:
this business model makes no sense... if the return is 0% for a loss and less than 200% for a win, every player will lose money assuming a 50/50 winrate. financially it would only benefit the company hosting it or someone who could guarantee a winrate higher than 50% (in other words you would have to be preying on players you already know can't beat you)
it's also a pyramid scheme, and a really poorly-designed one at that It works the exact same way as online poker, but i guess that business model "makes no sense" holy cow
starcraft is not poker for so many reasons that the comparison is irrelevant, and by makes no sense i meant it makes no sense for the person risking their money. not sure why you're picking this argument when the point is that the OP is literally trying to swindle people out of money by lying and saying they have something to gain (again, unless they're willing to take advantage of people)
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Yeah that would be a good idea. Great even. I could buy a new copy of SC everyday because I just make a new account and slaughter bronze people for cash. Also what about hackers.
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IMO: there are enough games to gamble on out there, as well as pro's in sc2 don't need this type of thing to get by financially. Many would also not play in a situation where they would only make say $20, with the chance of losing to someone who would damage their e-peen too much is they lost. There are enough tournaments to get exposure for lesser-known players. If people want to make money playing games, go play cards, ect.
Rant over.
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On July 09 2013 01:50 HardlyNever wrote:
And yes, people would do that, even for small amounts of money.
sure people would do it, but i personally think those of us who know it's a mathematically losing proposition have a moral responsibility to prevent people from buying into this
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Would never ever be implemented because some countries have strict Online gambling laws - The same reason some countries are excluded from the WoW Arena Tournaments people pay to enter.
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i want to remind you guys that the OP is explicitly presenting this idea as a "way for lesser known players to make money". this is a textbook pyramid scheme. there is no way to take financial advantage of this format unless you already know you're going to win most of your games, which means you're either intentionally challenging weaker players than you or you have some kind of hack or exploit to increase your winrate
he is saying "this is a way to make money," and it's just not
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Well if you could make it like a automated hosting service that would setup a BO3 and would have replays that could solve the problem of the chease and hacks
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On July 09 2013 01:48 StatixEx wrote:
ye its a good idea in theory but it all boils down to . . the guy ur playing aint really at that level. Back in the day of playhem really enjoyed doing the daily bz-gold tournies . . .when i actually was gold but i never got out of the first couple of brackets . . i was top 1 in the gold league ehhehehe . . i should ownz all these bz and silver level playas . . . No. On looking at reps they have 215 apm in most cases and the tell tale was looking at their highest division reached to see they were mostly all dias and masters . .
so. . . i suppose you could play for cash but its just far too heavily flawed, not to mention cheaters and the like. Its a great idea but its something which cannot be truly policed . . other than that i could get another account in 5 mins on another email do the necessary to make it look legit bz and away i go!
Then it was agaist playhem rules. I got kicked out from diaplat tournament coz I was master longtime ago and admin even showed rule.
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On July 09 2013 01:57 Waise wrote:
i want to remind you guys that the OP is explicitly presenting this idea as a "way for lesser known players to make money". this is a textbook pyramid scheme. there is no way to take financial advantage of this format unless you already know you're going to win most of your games, which means you're either intentionally challenging weaker players than you or you have some kind of hack or exploit to increase your winrate
he is saying "this is a way to make money," and it's just not You have no idea what a pyramid scheme is. And what you say applies to all casinos, but we all know that's a completely failed business model, right?
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Your original post was called "gambling on StarCraft" and that's your answer. The legal and social implications of a huge, publicly traded company encouraging their users, many of whom are underage, to gamble on their product for cash are hugely negative. The logistics can never work out in a way where it's worth their effort.
Also 12% rake is pretty laughable.
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