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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On June 11 2013 12:06 LTY wrote: god people complain too much man I'd like to complain about people who complain about people complaining... On Topic: Seems to me the Pre-Ignitor change is the way to go. A small HP nerf sounds good, but I feel that would make Hellbats pretty obsolete in large scale engagements. It seems pretty unanimous that Hellbats are only potentially OP in their drop potential so I fully expect whatever change Blizz makes to reflect that. | ||
Waxangel
United States33581 Posts
harassment has become so easy it's no longer impressive | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 11 2013 13:05 Waxangel wrote: fix the medivac, not the hellbat harassment has become so easy it's no longer impressive I always thought they should change the turn radius on the medivac when it boosted. Just change the way in controls so it can't stop on a dime and zip in every direction. Hell, phoenixes are harder to control than a boosted medivac. | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On June 11 2013 13:07 Plansix wrote: I always thought they should change the turn radius on the medivac when it boosted. Just change the way in controls so it can't stop on a dime and zip in every direction. Hell, phoenixes are harder to control than a boosted medivac. maybe make the boost like a dash, locking you in your current direction for its duration. wouldn't solve all the problems, but it would at least prevent medivacs from being invincible | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On June 11 2013 12:25 magnaflow wrote: Please, If a player can control several drops at once, an observer should have 0 problems keeping track of them. Oh come on ... a progamer has a much easier time jumping to spot A and do something and then jumping to spots B, C and D in about a second than an observer has to "find out what happens there on the screen". Just watch TLO play and you will see that it is hard to follow his gameplan for the spots he checks (about three per second). | ||
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BrassMonkey27
Canada616 Posts
On June 11 2013 11:03 Vindicare605 wrote: It's the ONLY harassment option Mech has at this point. It should be strong. What's dumb is how strong Helbat drops are as part of bio play especially in the early game. Their late game utility for mech is fine. Only form of harassment? What about hellions, widow mines, banshees or even ravens? | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On June 11 2013 13:10 negativedge wrote: maybe make the boost like a dash, locking you in your current direction for its duration. wouldn't solve all the problems, but it would at least prevent medivacs from being invincible It would look so stupid when a Terran player dashes his medevac against the bounds of a map, lol. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On June 11 2013 12:33 Thrillz wrote: That's not the sensible way at all, the most sensible has already been stated by DK, nerf damage and give BF back. Your solution not only nerfs them, but almost kills HB drops all-together while making Mech even worst then it already is, Mech is a slow strategy, so you dont require lots of Hellbats at the start. To produce enough of them simply build Hellions (they can be built two at a time) and transform them after getting that upgrade. Hellbat drops will not be dead, because the Medivac will still have the speed boost and players are notoriously anti-static-defense ... so there will still be a good chance to use it, although not as early as now. You also need to take good care of your first two Hellbats, because they arent reproduced easily. ----- If the Medivac speed boost gets nerfed they need to reduce the speed of Mutalisks as well. Personally I am all for taking out the turbo boost and taking out the buffs which Mutalisks got. | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On June 11 2013 12:54 iky43210 wrote: they won't nerf hellbats, just a generic comments until rest of the community stop bitching when korean pros show you how to deal with them. Remember the medivac and mines outburst earlier on? exactly the same thing as back then. Blizzard have learned from WoL that if you take away too many harass options for Terran, you will get a very stale meta game very quickly in all TvX matchups. If anything changes, it would be something like marauders now deal bonus dmg to mechanical so they would be even the scale in bio vs mech in TvT Something is very wrong if you have to rely on Terran to provide exciting, harass intensive games...I don't think they'd adjust marauder v. mechanical...think of the repercussions in TvP. | ||
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desertfrog817
United States16 Posts
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On June 11 2013 13:16 Qwyn wrote: Something is very wrong if you have to rely on Terran to provide exciting, harass intensive games...I don't think they'd adjust marauder v. mechanical...think of the repercussions in TvP. I have to agree with you there, but that POV of the community is something which Blizzard has trained their SC2 customers to expect ... fast and full of action. The only way is "up" and so they are adding in speed for harrassment units and harrassment carriers like the Medivac, Warp Prism and the Mutalisk. They simply do not understand that this is TOO MUCH and that games will be decided by a coinflip ... or rather by who can scout his enemy first / better and make the harrassment drops to annihilate the opposing economy before it is done to himself. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On June 11 2013 13:16 Qwyn wrote: Something is very wrong if you have to rely on Terran to provide exciting, harass intensive games...I don't think they'd adjust marauder v. mechanical...think of the repercussions in TvP. well, its just how Terran is designed. They have weaker T3 units and rely on harasses and pressure to keep up the equilibrium. | ||
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Hoodlum
United States350 Posts
On June 11 2013 13:07 Plansix wrote: I always thought they should change the turn radius on the medivac when it boosted. Just change the way in controls so it can't stop on a dime and zip in every direction. Hell, phoenixes are harder to control than a boosted medivac. As a terran I just LOVE the medivac. But objectively speaking, it may be a bit much. I feel a lot less risk in doing drops because I know in most situations I will be able to pick something off and escape with little loss. I still think that the hellbat needs an early game fix though. Someone in here said that late game they are too strong but you know what I hate late game... DT's and zealots in my main, I'm just saying that we all have our FU late game harrass but noone really has early game harrass as cheap and effective as hellbats. | ||
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never_Nal
Costa Rica676 Posts
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BoggieMan
520 Posts
On June 11 2013 13:05 Waxangel wrote: fix the medivac, not the hellbat harassment has become so easy it's no longer impressive Yeah! i definetly agree. As a mech-player the biggest adaption i have made when changing over to hots, is looking at the minimap all the time in tvt, and placing marines around the edges of the map alot more than i used to to be able to spot drops, also i kinda make sensors every tvt that goes to 3+ bases. Turrets don't help you at all, unless you make A TON of them... i miss the range of bw turrets. On June 11 2013 13:40 never_Nal wrote: Specially on TvT? WTH really didn't you guys watch how MVP dealt with those hellbat drops, helions out micro hellbats and shit yeah, but you are kinda forced into specific openings just by the threath of hellbat drops. 1 rax cc into 3 rax isen't viable anymore, and everyone gets quick starports to make vikings early before they make any number of medivacs with bio builds... | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On June 11 2013 13:23 iky43210 wrote: well, its just how Terran is designed. They have weaker T3 units and rely on harasses and pressure to keep up the equilibrium. I said "rely on Terran," not "If Terran has to rely on," lol. What I'm saying is that something is WRONG with the MU if Terran is the only race capable of consistently providing entertaining, harass intensive games. It means that the other races lack aggressive potential and are pidgeonholed into defending until the Terran aggression dwindles or they can hit a timing. I mean, I'm primarily speaking from a Z perspective here. | ||
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
On June 11 2013 13:15 Rabiator wrote: Mech is a slow strategy, so you dont require lots of Hellbats at the start. To produce enough of them simply build Hellions (they can be built two at a time) and transform them after getting that upgrade. Hellbat drops will not be dead, because the Medivac will still have the speed boost and players are notoriously anti-static-defense ... so there will still be a good chance to use it, although not as early as now. You also need to take good care of your first two Hellbats, because they arent reproduced easily. ----- If the Medivac speed boost gets nerfed they need to reduce the speed of Mutalisks as well. Personally I am all for taking out the turbo boost and taking out the buffs which Mutalisks got. Except mutalisk harrassment is a costly investment with high risk, high reward, while hellbat drops are low cost ,high reward. Please dont have the -"dont nerf my race bro" attitude..we're trying to make the game for all of us by making it fair and balanced. You KNOW hellbats are a problem when even Terran players are complaining its ruining TvT, which is a red flag saying its even worse for other races. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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havok55
United States276 Posts
On June 11 2013 11:19 snakeeyez wrote: I think innovation did hellbat drops every single match in tvt. The metagame is all about HPM for hellbats per minute. Nope Innovation went hellions into bio game 2, Mvp was the one who tried hellbat drops and was denied multiple times. | ||
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