David Kim comments on Hellbat drops - Page 45

On July 04 2013 17:31 SsDrKosS wrote:


First, the first option is about reducing durability of hellbat (not making early drop 3 shot. maybe you have mixed up numbers? ). But there is no units that heals only half or quarter since starcraft I alpha. Hellbat is already illogical by being a FACTORY unit that can be both mech and bio and this is even more non sense.
And I hoped you have read some other posts that making hellbat less heal or even not healable still kills enough workers and defences when dropped (I.E still cost-effective).

Secondly, no 2 is what actually blizzard suggested and not good because it affects other match ups that are not TvT (please read previous posts). That's why I wanted hellbat dmg to be less nerfed.

Thirdly, if you have to get current hellbat after factory-> armory-> techlab on the factory, then research, would you use it?
This will nerf not only hellbat drop but also hellbat itself too much in ALL match ups.

Also, making armored (I thought I posted only few posts ago???) will make hellbat blowed by other +armor attackers, which will also affect not only drops but hellbat in general. Hellbat is the meatshield for mech because other mechs are armored but hellbat is not armored.

Hope I have explained well. XP Please read whole posts (I actually did!) because I don't want people just jump in and saying something that what already has been discussed.

Edit: when I say 'affects', it means it affects TOO MUCH.

On July 04 2013 22:55 woreyour wrote:


Sorry I dont have the luxury of time reading the whole 40 pages of discussions.

but number 1 would not reduce its durability because it has still 135 hp. It would only slow the rate of heal in which they are practically immoral against zerg units if you have high medivac count. And yes this is a game mechanic, does not matter if it is not in SC2 alpha? why? because it is an update. Change is constant and we are now in HOTs, maybe in LoV we could have real firebats and actual medics back, who knows? Maybe warhounds will do a comeback.
You cant justify starcraft for being realistic? This is a fiction game. Where can u find dudes making blades from thoughts?
Does not matter if it makes more sense if they are bio/mech coming from a factory, maybe when he transforms he exposes his ass and makes him bio, we dont know he just does it.

The damage in number 2 is solely for the 2 hit worker kill which makes it 1 hit since you have 2 hellbats in a drop. This affects all match ups as worker HPs are 40, 40, 45. Has nothing to do with TvT or any other specific matchups.

The only thing it would make is delay the 7:30 minute drop that is too fast to do. maybe it would make it 8:30 this time, gives any race ample time to defend and not make them too far behind for defending.

The armored suggestion can work but it would need careful reviews has to add +1 armor to it or just leave it 0 default armor. Yeah meatshields tend to be armored right? and not light? if it makes sense to you that they have armored shields in their arms, suddenly have 35 more HP and slowed movement speed then yes armored makes most sense.

I read the whole OP post but again with the 40 pages of whine and for the interest of my time, i cant read 40 pages. I would just provide what I think are appropriate and I think the more similar the suggestion the more people seems to agree.

On July 04 2013 18:15 Rabiator wrote:

Now you are ridiculous. Siege Tanks have underperformed ever since the map size got bigger than Steppes of War where the current tank values for damage were balanced on. For such tiny/small maps that might be okish, because you can have all your tanks affect the whole map basically, but what about large maps like Whirlwind? Tanks dont have the mobility - which is good - to keep up with other types of armies, but to balance the size of the map you need to spread out your forces much more to be able to defend everywhere. Terrans have no "vs ground" static defense that can be massed for base defense (the Planetary Fortress doesnt really count because it cant be built behind a mineral line for example and due to its size placement is limited).

- If you are soooo fixed on the idea that Siege Tanks are "fine" then tell me why they only one-shot three lousy Zerglings with one shot. In BW they did the same damage to Zerglings as they do now, BUT there were far fewer Zerglings rushing the tanks AND the area of the attack was larger.
- People have complained about dying to Zealots in mech TvP and so the Hellbat had to be invented. Did it really? Nope, because giving the Siege Tank a reasonable damage against light instead of a negligible one is ok.
- Have you forgotten about the FRIENDLY FIRE splash damage? Any buff to the Siege Tank damage will make them die more easily from friendly fire.

So I think there are quite a lot of arguments why my suggestion would not make the Siege Tank absolutely ridiculously OP.




The reasons why I suggested 70 flat damage are ...
1. The radius of the attack is smaller compared to BW.
2. At 70 damage they one-shot Zerglings in the primary and secondary radius. That is basically where the number comes from ...

Why is there no need to buff the tank vs all the small and light units? It is a freaking TANK and should be able to scare away a horde of smaller units to the point that they can not just a-move into a line of tanks and win. The small infantry should be required to use tricks like dropping onto the tank or abducting them or blinding cloud or whatever else.

On July 05 2013 04:50 Nagi21 wrote:
Y'know I've always wondered something ever since the hellbat fighting began. The hellbat is essentially the firebat from BW, so why didn't firebat drops become as big a thing as hellbat drops. (I know it's asking for snow in July but please... no troll answers).