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On May 29 2013 04:30 Mortal wrote: you're complaining about zerg harass? what? + Show Spoiler + seriously, what? Well.. it is the weakest in the game. Not saying Z doesn't make up for it in other ways but an overlord drop buff could really help because the strategy is just a gimmick now. | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
On May 29 2013 04:29 Plansix wrote: I am more pointing out that people like to rehash a small set of data that supports their claim and ignore all other information. It is the standard for any balance argument. IF they didn't find it on Liquipedia, they would be seeking it from SCranks or some other data mining site and claiming there are to many protoss in a specific league. Or that ladder data doesn't support the claim. Or korean pros are complaining about the buff. Its almost like I have seen this whole argument before. But that's not what he did. His claim was exactly what the data shows. Anyway, I digress. Personally I think SC2 maps are too flat to begin with, IMO we need to bring in more dimensional play by buffing high ground advantages rather than making maps even flatter by adding in super fast high hp drops. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 29 2013 04:26 sitromit wrote: We just had a foreign Protoss get 2nd place in a tournament with several Korean players. At MLG top 4 was 2 Terrans, 1 Zerg and 1 Protoss. At IEM we had 2 Terrans and 2 Protoss in Top 4, Protoss got 2nd. Protoss has a very good chance of winning WCS NA. Protoss is dominating in Proleague. So just because there weren't too many Protoss in the top 8 of WCS KR and EU, when WCS KR Code S had very few Protoss to begin with because of the carry over from last season of WoL, that means Protoss doesn't go far in tournaments? If the same stats were true for terrans and only 6 of them were in the round of 8 across all three regions, terran players would be losing their minds, claiming it was the return to WoL and demanding a buff to save their race. And as buff's go, this one is pretty minor. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
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Wpgstevo
Canada79 Posts
Put an upgrade on the Fleet beacon and Robo bay that allow non-massive units built from their respective production facilities to be warped in. That would just be crazy, and maybe OP. But I wanna see immortal and oracle warp-ins :D. LotV maybe? | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
The players just have to get better... | ||
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dirtydurb82
United States178 Posts
A-BomB Ireland. May 29 2013 02:34. Posts 68 PM Profile Quote # I APPROVELast edit: 2013-05-29 02:35:14 A-BOMB on http://www.justin.tv/abombtv (high level protoss stream) If the goal is high-level, dynamic play, this is a good buff. I thought Toss were doing pretty well, but I guess the numbers don't lie. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On May 29 2013 04:20 figq wrote: I agree the gimmicky aspect of it makes me sad too - I want to have more fun with drops as well and not just on a one time all-ins. About the function - technically they also provide creep, and especially with a queen or two in the drop you can even start spreading it. I've considered the following (possibly OP) change: Protoss can't warp on creep, that would make this function so much more important. I don't really think that Overlords are the problem.. well maybe they are but I feel that no zerg unit can really be dropped effectively. Think Marines or Hellions, both are high damage, mobile units. Zealots are similar and can be dropped, Immortals do really well against buildings. 2 Immortals 4 Zealots (+ warp-in) 8 Marines (+ heal + medivac speed) 4 Marauders (+ heal + medivac speed) 4 Hellions 2 Hellbats What exactly can zerg drop to do damage? Hydra are much too fragile and expensive to really be dropped. Banelings don't do sustained dps which is what you want in a drop (ie a drop left unattended will do MONSTROUS damage). Dropping anything else does seem gimmicky. That said I guess maybe zergs could start experimenting with 4 or 8 roach drops. Though they won't really be as effective because they cost gas (so it sucks to lose them) and have only 8 dps (compared to a zealot's 13 and a marine's 10). So actually dropping Roaches should suck balls. Come to think of it, it might be actually worth it to drop lings. 8 or 16 zerglings can do quite a number on a mineral line and they are the most expendable unit in the game. Also worth mentioning is that a few can be morphed into banelings (after they've been dropped) and then sent into mineral lines. That said, they aren't ranged (like marines) and they aren't resilient (like zealots tend to be). Well, those are my 2 cents. I should try this out in game. | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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drugsarebad
20 Posts
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On May 29 2013 04:26 Hydro033 wrote: Give  Zerg a decent  Way to harass, jesus. Give us viable nydus worms plz that cant be killed by 7 workersYeah, cause zerglings and mutas aren't already the best harass units in the game... While I wouldn't mind a speed buff for the prism, I don't think it would change much in how each protoss matchup plays out. As others in this thread have pointed out, it's the units that the prism carries that create the problem, not the prism itself. | ||
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Scones
Wales99 Posts
On May 29 2013 04:30 Mortal wrote: you're complaining about zerg harass? what? + Show Spoiler + seriously, what? You think zerg has alot of harrass options? I have: ling run bys. mutas That's all i can come up with | ||
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Phoenix2003
126 Posts
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On May 29 2013 04:34 drugsarebad wrote: buff oracle..... useless cheese unit, low hp, too slow, too expensive Wait, what? | ||
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Riner1212
United States337 Posts
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FlukyS
Ireland485 Posts
Add that to the fact that protoss isn't actually doing badly if you take pro league into account with Korean win rates means I can't see why this is even been suggested. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On May 29 2013 04:33 Tobblish wrote: I don't approve, the protoss arsenal is enough as it is. The players just have to get better... easy there idra. this whole "the entirety of players playing your race are just shit" mentality is laffable. | ||
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skyyan
United States74 Posts
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p14c
Vatican City State431 Posts
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SC2ShoWTimE
Germany722 Posts
On May 29 2013 04:26 sitromit wrote: We just had a foreign Protoss get 2nd place in a tournament with several Korean players. At MLG top 4 was 2 Terrans, 1 Zerg and 1 Protoss. At IEM we had 2 Terrans and 2 Protoss in Top 4, Protoss got 2nd. Protoss has a very good chance of winning WCS NA. Protoss is dominating in Proleague. So just because there weren't too many Protoss in the top 8 of WCS KR and EU, when WCS KR Code S had very few Protoss to begin with because of the carry over from last season of WoL, that means Protoss doesn't go far in tournaments? ...where did i say that? i just explained that winrates alone dont give any conclusion on how a race is doing. also, the metagame of hots is evolving constantly so pointing out tournaments like iem or mlg is pretty pointless. | ||
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