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Warp prism speed buff, test map. 5.28.2013

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HTOMario
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States439 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 17:45:08
May 28 2013 17:29 GMT
#1
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8920191947#1

I'm sure you guys have been seeing this too, but we're noticing Protoss slightly underperforming at the highest level of play especially in Korea and Europe. We gathered a lot of feedback in this area and opinion seems mixed on whether Protoss is weak or not.

However, just in case they are and because they do look slightly weaker in terms of performance, we'd like to start on a balance test map so that we can be prepared with a patch if needed down the line. We aren't planning on patching right away, but we'd like to at least try some changes to see how they affect the Protoss game.

As we've been saying many times before, our goal is still to make the game more dynamic and allow for more diverse action throughout the game. We feel the advantage of this is watching the same matchup over and over is a lot more exciting because you never know what you're going to get. If there's constant action throughout the game there are varying degrees of successes and failures each time which really shape up every game differently. Compared that to what we were seeing last year PvT for example where both sides just macro up then meet in the center of the map for 1 or 2 main battles. This is why we'd much rather buff something on the Protoss that allows them to be more aggressive throughout the game rather than nerfing strong harass units like Medivacs.

What we'd like to first try is Warp Prisms starting off with the upgraded speed and getting rid of the speed upgrade. This will encourage Protoss to be more aggressive throughout the game from a much earlier point in time. We'd like to see what this change does and also would like to make sure it doesn't buff the all in rushes too much. Of course if this feels like a good direction after testing but feels like too big of a buff, we can also try a slightly increased movement speed on the unit while keeping the upgraded speed the same.

Please give us your thoughts, and we'll try to push out a balance test map this week at the earliest.


I didn't see any thread about this yet, please delete if there is. * I used search *


Poll: Is the warp prism buff the right choice?

Yes (1495)
 
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Buff something else (750)
 
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3531 total votes

Your vote: Is the warp prism buff the right choice?

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(Vote): No



Personally I feel that the warp prism isn't the answer. It's just going to make an already large arsenal of all ins even larger. However I also don't know what would be the answer.

Update: Davie:

FYI like we said before, this is not yet a final change that we're absolutely going with. A lot of comments/feedback we're seeing in various forums are phrased as though this change will go in for certain, so I just wanted to clarify that once more.

If Protoss does turn out to be weak, testing this buff will allow us to react to that situation more quickly than in the past. We already know a bit what the previously tested Oracle changes do. We want to test this other change so that we can make the right fix if we find a change is needed.

The best feedback for us comes from players who take the time to actually playtest the change and base their judgments on that. Thank you so much as always.
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SupremeHD
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom6 Posts
May 28 2013 17:31 GMT
#2
really stupid idea, have lings with speed from the start then i call it "balanced"
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Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
May 28 2013 17:31 GMT
#3
I like the thought behind it.
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IeZaeL
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy991 Posts
May 28 2013 17:31 GMT
#4
A very nice change. I Like it , more protoss harass is always good.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 28 2013 17:32 GMT
#5
I always thought this might be a good change for Protoss. With the new Speed Vacs and zerg being generally awesome all around, I always felt the warp prism needed some love. After all, when has drop play been boring?
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Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
May 28 2013 17:32 GMT
#6
Buffs rather than nerfs? I'm all for it !

But as a Zerg often being rolled by the MANTRAIN... I don't even want to see that build with a speedprism :x.
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ReMiiX
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States338 Posts
May 28 2013 17:33 GMT
#7
I want medivacs to have speed boost all the time.

Seriously though, with the old buff on warp prism health this would be way way way to difficult to beat. Maybe if they dropped shield or health I could see the speed increase being fair.
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Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
May 28 2013 17:33 GMT
#8
I think this change opens a lot of doors for early-midgame protoss harass. When you consider how big the medivac boost was for Terran, this is pretty huge. But I think it'll bring a lot of 7gate warp prism builds out of the woodwork.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 17:35:43
May 28 2013 17:34 GMT
#9
Could it be that there results are lagging is because of all the allin options they have gotten in hots? Protos in WOL wasnt underpreforming, in HOTS they apparantly are. I believe it could be because there playing to cheesy/gimmicky and less solid.
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Decendos
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1339 Posts
May 28 2013 17:34 GMT
#10
awesome change. now buff ovispeed so Z also is able to drop and we got ourself an even more aggressive, harrass based game from all races. really like this change!
A-BomB
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland79 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 17:35:14
May 28 2013 17:34 GMT
#11
I APPROVE
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 28 2013 17:35 GMT
#12
On May 29 2013 02:33 ReMiiX wrote:
I want medivacs to have speed boost all the time.

Seriously though, with the old buff on warp prism health this would be way way way to difficult to beat. Maybe if they dropped shield or health I could see the speed increase being fair.


If protoss can figure out how to stop the speed vacs, I am sure terran can figure out how to stop a speed prism. Its not like it is going to warp in two hellbats.
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Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
May 28 2013 17:35 GMT
#13
Let's buff more the 7 gate robo . The mothership core is not helping enough . xD
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 17:36:17
May 28 2013 17:35 GMT
#14
didn't we get a WP speed buff before? or was that health? i believe I'm mixing the speed buff up with another unit. I do believe that blizzard should look at buffing instead of nerfing. it makes everything much more exciting and fun for players and viewers. unlike the homogenous mess WoL was at the end of it's days.

also, lol plansix :3
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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
May 28 2013 17:35 GMT
#15
This will only lead to more Protoss all ins.
IeZaeL
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy991 Posts
May 28 2013 17:35 GMT
#16
On May 29 2013 02:34 A-BomB wrote:
I APPROVE

Still remember you beta games with 2 prisms 4 Immortals in PvP. ^^
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ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
May 28 2013 17:36 GMT
#17
Only if overlords come with speed.
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GreenMash
Profile Joined August 2012
Norway1746 Posts
May 28 2013 17:37 GMT
#18
Nooooooooooooo T.T
I love hellbats
baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1093 Posts
May 28 2013 17:38 GMT
#19
It kinda sounds like a good idea, but not sure how it would work in practice.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 28 2013 17:38 GMT
#20
On May 29 2013 02:35 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 02:33 ReMiiX wrote:
I want medivacs to have speed boost all the time.

Seriously though, with the old buff on warp prism health this would be way way way to difficult to beat. Maybe if they dropped shield or health I could see the speed increase being fair.


If protoss can figure out how to stop the speed vacs, I am sure terran can figure out how to stop a speed prism. Its not like it is going to warp in two hellbats.

Imagine if the prism could heal the hellbats. That would be bat-shit crazyyyyy.
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