as a protoss i should be happy for every buff. but all i see here are stronger 2base allins. the units the prism transports are just too bad for harrass

Wojciech Zywny

Poland271 Posts

May 28 2013 17:40 GMT

#23

protoss already has insane harassment capabilities.... oracles, dts, about a million 1 and 2 base all ins that if you don't scout and prepare for perfectly you die. warp prism already got that huge shield buff and are already pretty damn fast. Making them any faster will just make protoss more user-friendly than it already is.

if you really wanted to make the match up more interesting rather than a 20 min macro fest with 1 big battle at the end, you would encourage terran to be more aggressive. Right now with MSC, time warp, photon overcharge, warp in, and force fields, terran can't be aggressive at all. the only aggressive build terran has now is when they pull all of their scvs and attack at ~160 supply right before storm finishes.

Zealously

East Gorteau22261 Posts

May 28 2013 17:40 GMT

#24

On May 29 2013 02:31 SupremeHD wrote:
really stupid idea, have lings with speed from the start then i call it "balanced"

Because the Warp Prism is a gateway unit and a core unit in most protoss compositions, just like the zergling is for zerg, yes?

On-topic: I'm cautiously optimistic about this change. Protoss has a lot of harass potential, but most players have grown so used to playing the turtle style that they refuse to try and change their styles up. Understandable, but quite sad. This might be a push in the right direction.

Ctesias

4595 Posts

May 28 2013 17:40 GMT

#25

I like the idea of more harassment. It does become awfully fast with the upgrade though, so it might have to be toned down a bit.

Still, as a viewer of tournaments, I welcome this change.

(Less importantly, as a diamond terran player, I'm kinda scared about this change.)

DifuntO

Greece2376 Posts

May 28 2013 17:40 GMT

#26

Sounds like a cool idea.They said they want more action early-mid game.

I just hope it doesn't buff early rushes too much.

On May 29 2013 02:35 Plansix wrote:

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If protoss can figure out how to stop the speed vacs, I am sure terran can figure out how to stop a speed prism. Its not like it is going to warp in two hellbats.

Maybe it'll warp in 7 zealots.What's worse?

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts

May 28 2013 17:41 GMT

#27

Be awesome PvZ, not sure it will work/be effective in PvT, however it might be, be cool to see if it gets used more now

IamHobbyless

Germany29 Posts

May 28 2013 17:42 GMT

#28

Yes.. even more protoss allins in early vs terran

Zaphid

Czech Republic1860 Posts

May 28 2013 17:42 GMT

#29

I like the idea behind it and most allins right now are limited by the speed they get robo units at, so this could end up being rather balanced. I'm sure we will see some hilarious videos of 2 immortal WP drop killing unprepared people :D

Ctesias

4595 Posts

May 28 2013 17:42 GMT

#30

On May 29 2013 02:40 Wormi wrote:the units the prism transports are just too bad for harrass

People are not just experementing with colossus drops enough!

AnomalySC2

United States2073 Posts

May 28 2013 17:42 GMT

#31

"We gathered a lot of feedback in this area and opinion seems mixed on whether Protoss is weak or not."

lol you made the game Blizzard, why don't you tell US if it's a balance issue or if Protoss players just aren't utilizing the race to its full potential

eviltomahawk

United States11135 Posts

May 28 2013 17:43 GMT

#32

The all-in potential is rather dangerous with this buff. Having fast Prisms out too early might make them too strong in some timing pushes, which may unintentionally be bad for spectators if these timing pushes are too strong or happen too much. I like how the unit encourages good multitasking, but there must be some other way to buff it instead of giving it a free speed upgrade.

I personally want to see Oracle acceleration (not speed) looked at since the unit controls weirdly compared to other air units.

Zealously

East Gorteau22261 Posts

May 28 2013 17:43 GMT

#33

On May 29 2013 02:40 DifuntO wrote:
Sounds like a cool idea.They said they want more action early-mid game.

I just hope it doesn't buff early rushes too much.

Show nested quote +

Maybe it'll warp in 7 zealots.What's worse?

There is an APM-parody for one of those two units. Take a guess!

aksfjh

United States4853 Posts

May 28 2013 17:43 GMT

#34

I'd really like to see a buff to sentries to make them valuable to make mid-late game. I just don't think this warp prism speed buff will change anything, mainly it won't give any options to Protoss they didn't already have.

Doublemint

Austria8580 Posts

May 28 2013 17:44 GMT

#35

I like the idea. Let's have a little trial and error with it.

Blargh

United States2103 Posts

May 28 2013 17:44 GMT

#36

While I like the idea of immortal drops zooming in and out doing massive damage and all... flying units that move incredibly fast are obnoxious. Next thing you know, Protoss will be doom dropping with warp prisms. Not sure if this change would actually help Protoss in the way they are hoping.

Insurrectionist

Norway141 Posts

May 28 2013 17:44 GMT

#37

Would have preferred a buff to the Twilight->Templar tech path instead. Robo timings are still really strong, and Stargate play seems to be doing okay, while Twilight tech, while not bad, would be a change less likely to affect early timings (as long as the change isn't to blink research). Maybe reduce the cost of Templar Archives or researching Storm.

Pachacutec

Peru53 Posts

May 28 2013 17:44 GMT

#38

Im toss and i love it but if it begin to be too imba i think it would be a good idea to keep the max speed but reduce the acceleration so more micro would be needed :D

DusTerr

2520 Posts

May 28 2013 17:44 GMT

#39

On May 29 2013 02:40 DifuntO wrote:
Sounds like a cool idea.They said they want more action early-mid game.

I just hope it doesn't buff early rushes too much.

Show nested quote +

Maybe it'll warp in 7 zealots.What's worse?

7 zealot warp with 4 full energy sentries?

edit:

On May 29 2013 02:43 aksfjh wrote:
I'd really like to see a buff to sentries to make them valuable to make mid-late game. I just don't think this warp prism speed buff will change anything, mainly it won't give any options to Protoss they didn't already have.

What kind of sentry upgrade/buff would you suggest? (I like the direction)

baldgye

United Kingdom1093 Posts

May 28 2013 17:44 GMT

#40

On May 29 2013 02:40 Zealously wrote:

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I think the problem with protoss is the ability to be aggressive without it being an all in... maybe the warp prism can help in this regard??