EPTWarp prism speed buff, test map. 5.28.2013 - Page 5
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
On May 29 2013 02:35 Plansix wrote: If protoss can figure out how to stop the speed vacs, I am sure terran can figure out how to stop a speed prism. Its not like it is going to warp in two hellbats. really fun comment, warp in two hellbats ouch | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
It buffs the soultrain and i guess drop options against terran will be better but i'm doubtfull it will work in the way as intended. PvT needs better changes really, it's still just an defend vs drops then a-move game, basically at every level. The warp prism definately could use a small buff but I had rather seen a small oracle buff instead. I do like it for PvP and PvZ. PvP robo vs robo is pretty much void of drops because of the nexus cannon, now this option might see the return of some immortal drops. The mindset is still wrong though, if only they would give some nudges for mech vs protoss it would be great to see that actually getting some play. Why don't they just do something like giving the thor high-impact load bonus damage against mechanical/shields, that way you don't mess with TvZ at all and make mech be able to counter air a little bit at least. | ||
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ETisME
12265 Posts
On May 29 2013 02:58 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Yeah, it won't. At all. How the shit will speed prisms affect Immortal all-ins? You use them for picking up Immortals, or warping in units (if you're bad and didn't place a pylon) so how is speed supposed to make a difference here? pick up micro? I generally think only foreign protoss is suffering and toss in pl is doing really great | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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Extenz
Italy822 Posts
On May 29 2013 02:54 TheKhyira wrote: You scout double gas in TvP while expanding, now let's play the guessing game for some of the possibilities. Proxy oracle Pooling void ray 3 gate Proxy robo Inbase robo 3 gate sentry 4 gate 4 gate prism 4 gate blink obs 4 gate blink msc dt rush dt prism All of which requires different amount of bunkers and/or turrets, addons and marine positioning. The only real way to block prism gate all ins is to shoot it down right as it flies in, except if it's faster it's harder. And it's not like you can really afford to durdle 6-7 marines in your main because herp derp a good amount of the mentioned all ins will just roll right over you at the front. And that's not even considering what happens if it's an expand build with either light harras or greedy tech. wtf 4 gate on 2 gasses? and is it hard to scout around for proxies after couting pylons? it's not hard at all to guess right, and you have a reaper which is a pretty good unit to scout his main too. | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7967 Posts
pvz winrates in korea are around 60% in all hots and pvt looks pretty balanced as well, wtf is this? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 29 2013 02:54 TheKhyira wrote: You scout double gas in TvP while expanding, now let's play the guessing game for some of the possibilities. Proxy oracle Pooling void ray 3 gate Proxy robo Inbase robo 3 gate sentry 4 gate 4 gate prism 4 gate blink obs 4 gate blink msc dt rush dt prism All of which requires different amount of bunkers and/or turrets, addons and marine positioning. The only real way to block prism gate all ins is to shoot it down right as it flies in, except if it's faster it's harder. And it's not like you can really afford to durdle 6-7 marines in your main because herp derp a good amount of the mentioned all ins will just roll right over you at the front. And that's not even considering what happens if it's an expand build with either light harras or greedy tech. Sounds like you need to scout more than just two gases. Like maybe several times during the opening to confirm what the protoss is doing. | ||
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Chronos.
United States805 Posts
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
Every time I use the warp prism I think to myself "damn, I wish this were faster" and every time I get the speed upgrade I think to myself "holy shit speed prisms are so good." This is going to be awesome. edit; as for TvP scouting, I guess this might kill the gasless expansion into fast 3rd CC, time to reaper expand safely. | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
On May 29 2013 02:58 Plansix wrote: Just like free siege tech created a ton of new all ins for terran against zerg and protoss? Or was that ok because it buffed terran? Siege mode change only helped defending.It's not like you can make 2 tanks and go.They are useless,you still need support units which require time to build so the timing of the push is pretty much the same. | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On May 29 2013 03:05 Tsubbi wrote: i guess this is the equivalent of medivac boost? now only need mutas to fly twice as fast as well pvz winrates in korea are around 60% in all hots and pvt looks pretty balanced as well, wtf is this? probably because protoss has trouble actually winning tournaments since their wins are based off of build orders that end up getting figured out. This build order emphasis is due to the fact that many of their units are not very microable, so they have to look toward perfecting builds to get an advantage. This speed change will allow for more standard play from toss, meaning better tourny results. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
Edit: But I still don't think this will change the core problem with toss, which is simply warp gate(and to lesser extend sentry). | ||
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
Edit: I'm sure you guys have been seeing this too, but we're noticing Protoss slightly underperforming at the highest level of play especially in Korea and Europe I guess Blizzard does not watch ProLeague. | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
On May 29 2013 03:06 Chronos. wrote: That would make scouting too easy, but they could lower 200/200 for drops.Overlord speed boost too please, so we can do super speed drops too. XD | ||
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FosTA
Canada154 Posts
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On May 29 2013 03:11 FosTA wrote: Will Zerg get a speed buff soon? well technically zerg got a speed boost for mutas. Not a huge one but it has made them much more prevalent in all matchups. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
 i hate such attituteOn May 29 2013 03:10 Tuczniak wrote: That would make scouting too easy, but they could lower 200/200 for drops. ??? am i wrong ? as far as i know overlords did get an speed buff O_o so its even talked/balanced about On May 29 2013 03:05 Tsubbi wrote: i guess this is the equivalent of medivac boost? now only need mutas to fly twice as fast as well pvz winrates in korea are around 60% in all hots and pvt looks pretty balanced as well, wtf is this? its an esport game and if in 3 regions of the world together there are 2-3 protoss in the top16, blizzard thinks about changing it, because no one want to see only mirrors | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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