EPTdid i miss something?
Warp prism speed buff, test map. 5.28.2013 - Page 7
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j4vz
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Lukeeze[zR]
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Kazar
Germany32 Posts
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scCassius
United States254 Posts
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On May 29 2013 03:37 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Gravitic Drive also provides better acceleration (+1.125). Would it be included ? Probably. If they are getting rid of the upgrade completely, the easiest way to do that is just have them start with it. | ||
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GattAttack
Canada202 Posts
On May 29 2013 03:39 Kazar wrote: I don't like that other races get buffs for a more aggressive playstyle, while the race which meant to be the agressive one (Zerg) has less aggressive options than the others because we need 2 upgrades to drop decently or still have a semi good Nydus Worm.... When has zerg ever 'meant' to be the aggressive race? | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On May 29 2013 03:33 larse wrote: I'm very sure. WCS is not the whole scene. These charts include much more than WCS. WCS Premier is the MAIN scene. It is considered the tip-top level of play, thus it is weighted the most when considering balance. Only 6 Protoss are in the top 8 in each region, out of 24, half of which are in the US (considered the weakest scene). Protoss isn't strong right now and hasn't seemed very strong at the tip-top since release of HotS. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 29 2013 03:29 ETisME wrote: ? unless blizzard is taking ladder stats for balance reasoning, I don't see how they would have better data than this. GSL code A and S GSTL SPL, all the major kr tournament results are not good enough for you to look at the current balance? As I stated, Blizzard has all this data and more. If you look at the top 8 of WCS EU and KR, you will see a total of 3 protoss. If you included NA, that's 6 more out of 24 total players. But I am sure people will spend lot of time quoting stats that prove they are doing just fine and ignoring stats that say they aren't. After all, this is the internet, where we can choose what we want to believe. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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Swiipii
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On May 29 2013 03:39 scCassius wrote: I like this direction they're taking. If P became a race with more harrass potential we can see the move away from death balls, more army trading, and less 200/200 confrontations. I think other changes will be necessary, but this is good. Perhaps give zealots faster movement from the charge upgrade, but less distance for their actual charge, enabling zealot run-bys akin to those in BW? No every Protoss player is just going to play like HerO (or like a Terran) , drop everywhere while expanding and building up your army of death . Also more 2 base all ins . Yeahhh !!! | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On May 29 2013 03:42 Plansix wrote: As I stated, Blizzard has all this data and more. If you look at the top 8 of WCS EU and KR, you will see a total of 3 protoss. If you included NA, that's 6 more out of 24 total players. But I am sure people will spend lot of time quoting stats that prove they are doing just fine and ignoring stats that say they aren't. After all, this is the internet, where we can choose what we want to believe. historically the problem of Protoss has always been good Protoss players to lose to weak Protoss players as its by far the most volatile matchup. Then the weaker protoss players proceed to make protoss look weak. | ||
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sitromit
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On May 29 2013 03:32 Wingblade wrote: You sure about that??? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Statistics Did you actually look at the stats you posted? Korea Code S: 48.9% PvZ, 50% PvT Korea Code A: 54.8% PvZ, 48% PvT I don't know how anyone can quote those stats as an indication of imbalance with a straight face. Then you have the win rates in Proleague where Protoss is dominating. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On May 29 2013 03:42 TheDwf wrote: Such a terrible idea. I can't believe they think making the Warp Prism naturally immune to Viking hunting can lead to anything good in PvT. As if Protoss needed stronger low risk, high reward stuff in this match-up... What other things are low risk high reward for Protoss in PvT? Please enlighten me | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On May 29 2013 03:20 larse wrote: Protoss is not underperforming in Korea. David Kim got the wrong impression. Here is the Korean winrate since release ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GVFU7No.png) http://i.imgur.com/GVFU7No.png Here is April winrate: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2VGA4RP.png) http://i.imgur.com/2VGA4RP.png Yo dawg, I heard you like statistics: GSL winners (regular season + special events such as Super Tournament): Terran: 10 Zerg: 10 Protoss: 3 GSL top 4: Terran: 47 Zerg: 29 Protoss:20 Time since last Protoss champion: 10 months Source + Show Spoiler + My point is: statistics is always what you make of it. You included for example the very P-heavy Proleague, but not GSTL, WCS NA, AM etc. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On May 29 2013 03:43 sitromit wrote: Did you actually look at the stats you posted? Korea Code S: 48.9% PvZ, 50% PvT Korea Code A: 54.8% PvZ, 48% PvT I don't know how anyone can quote those stats as an indication of imbalance with a straight face. Cherrypicking like a boss. Look at the overall WCS winrates. Of course the 30 games per matchup in Korea is all we need for balance right? We can disregard the 33 percent PvT winrate in Europe because well hey it's not Korea right? | ||
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Kazar
Germany32 Posts
On May 29 2013 03:40 GattAttack wrote: When has zerg ever 'meant' to be the aggressive race? Since Blizzard made their gamedesign... | ||
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sitromit
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On May 29 2013 03:45 ACrow wrote: Yo dawg, I heard you like statistics: GSL winners (regular season + special events such as Super Tournament): Terran: 10 Zerg: 10 Protoss: 3 GSL top 4: Terran: 47 Zerg: 29 Protoss:20 Time since last Protoss champion: 10 months Source + Show Spoiler + My point is: statistics is always what you make of it. You included for example the very P-heavy Proleague, but not GSTL, WCS NA, AM etc. Yeah, let's buff Protoss because Squirtle lost a finals in WoL a year ago. | ||
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Bloonhead
United States11 Posts
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
With balance in mind, I don't think Protoss really needs any help, in the early-mid game... actually, the race seems just fine in general... Protoss already has the strongest early-game allins with warp in, the strongest mid-game all-ins with Colossi, and the strongest late game with Templars, Colossi, Void Rays, and Tempests, I really don't see the race lacking options at any point, giving them easy, early access to speed prism makes a race that already has HUGE straight-forward power multidimensional depth in the direction they want to take that strength. I think it's a hugely risky move and Protoss would easily be the best race if it goes through, but I DO like the idea. | ||
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