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Warp prism speed buff, test map. 5.28.2013 - Page 6

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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 18:23:36
May 28 2013 18:20 GMT
#101
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if anything z seems to be struggling the most t.t
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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 18:21:18
May 28 2013 18:20 GMT
#102
Protoss is not underperforming in Korea.

David Kim got the wrong impression.

Here is the Korean winrate since release
[image loading]
http://i.imgur.com/GVFU7No.png

Here is April winrate:
[image loading]
http://i.imgur.com/2VGA4RP.png
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
May 28 2013 18:20 GMT
#103
would like to see that they buff the speed but decrease the hitpoints.
and the speedupgrade would change into healthupgrade, so they can fly over turrets, sth like that.
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 28 2013 18:20 GMT
#104
On May 29 2013 03:15 CoR wrote:
us battle net forum seems worst forum on world ... all the cry and "mimimi p is strongest" ... its a TEST map and people cry before even testing it ... its not even a patch its not in the game its a testmap and instead of playing it and give blizzard data if thats good or not NO they just cry before its even into the game i hate such attitute

Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 03:10 Tuczniak wrote:
On May 29 2013 03:06 Chronos. wrote:
Overlord speed boost too please, so we can do super speed drops too. XD
That would make scouting too easy, but they could lower 200/200 for drops.


??? am i wrong ? as far as i know overlords did get an speed buff O_o so its even talked/balanced about

Quite, many zergs never noticed the overlords got a speed buff a while ago, and the upgrade was moved out of lair tech. And mutas go faster. And that creep is a thing that exists.

Seriously, people love to freak out about stuff that ruins their ability to sit back and macro up to 200/200.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
May 28 2013 18:21 GMT
#105
Oh my god please make it happen. The only downside I can see to this is I tend to use early warp prism vs T to great effect, with this buff every Terran will be expecting WP harass, but to be fair that buff is just so juicy I won't care :D Can't see it happening (a faster WP maybe, but not the same as the upgraded speed) but if it does it'll be like christmas.
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
May 28 2013 18:22 GMT
#106
On May 29 2013 03:18 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Stop giving free upgrades ok -_^ siege, hsm, viper/msc spawning with every abilities available ... now free warp-prism speed please ._. don't do that.

I agree for the most part. Things like siege for free makes defense too easy for my liking. But after giving the boost to medivacs, it gives them the ability to be much faster than even speed prisms right from the start. Why not make that a researchable ability as well? If you want to keep speedivacs for free, it's only sensible to make the much less used warp prism have the same average speed to start with.
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 18:24:20
May 28 2013 18:23 GMT
#107
thanks for posting the winrates again, this buff is aimed at starcraft in an alternate universe apparently

the proleague stats are even worse where zerg has around 40% winrate in BOTH matchups rofl
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 28 2013 18:24 GMT
#108
On May 29 2013 03:20 larse wrote:
Protoss is not underperforming in Korea.

David Kim got the wrong impression.

Here is the Korean winrate since release
[image loading]
http://i.imgur.com/GVFU7No.png

Here is April winrate:
[image loading]
http://i.imgur.com/2VGA4RP.png

I think that David Kim and Blizzard might have that data or maybe even slightly better data. After all, they do own the game and the servers the game is played on. But I am sure there will be people compiling their own evidence that Protoss are just fine.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 18:25:51
May 28 2013 18:25 GMT
#109
I wrote my reply on page 3 of official forums. Needless to say, it's a terrible idea until they balance out TvP early game.

Link to my reply:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8920191947?page=3#60
Sup
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
May 28 2013 18:27 GMT
#110
I think its good, promotes more warpprism play and that is good. It's good if it doesn't make things imbalanced basically.
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 28 2013 18:28 GMT
#111
On May 29 2013 03:23 Tsubbi wrote:
thanks for posting the winrates again, this buff is aimed at starcraft in an alternate universe apparently

the proleague stats are even worse where zerg has around 40% winrate in BOTH matchups rofl


You mean the league where the map is known before hand and everything is a best of 1? The leauge were teams specifically choose players to snipe other players on specific maps? Also its the league with totally messed up, weird maps that are not in the ladder pool?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 18:29:16
May 28 2013 18:28 GMT
#112
On May 29 2013 03:22 Fig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 03:18 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Stop giving free upgrades ok -_^ siege, hsm, viper/msc spawning with every abilities available ... now free warp-prism speed please ._. don't do that.

I agree for the most part. Things like siege for free makes defense too easy for my liking. But after giving the boost to medivacs, it gives them the ability to be much faster than even speed prisms right from the start. Why not make that a researchable ability as well? If you want to keep speedivacs for free, it's only sensible to make the much less used warp prism have the same average speed to start with.


I'm more than ok with boost being an upgrade, it would stop the hellbats drop opening madness. Same goes for mutas, the regen should be a researchable ability.
Terran & Potato Salad.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12541 Posts
May 28 2013 18:29 GMT
#113
On May 29 2013 03:24 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 03:20 larse wrote:
Protoss is not underperforming in Korea.

David Kim got the wrong impression.

Here is the Korean winrate since release
[image loading]
http://i.imgur.com/GVFU7No.png

Here is April winrate:
[image loading]
http://i.imgur.com/2VGA4RP.png

I think that David Kim and Blizzard might have that data or maybe even slightly better data. After all, they do own the game and the servers the game is played on. But I am sure there will be people compiling their own evidence that Protoss are just fine.

?
unless blizzard is taking ladder stats for balance reasoning, I don't see how they would have better data than this. GSL code A and S GSTL SPL, all the major kr tournament results are not good enough for you to look at the current balance?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
alone
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland410 Posts
May 28 2013 18:30 GMT
#114
On May 29 2013 03:18 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Stop giving free upgrades ok -_^ siege, hsm, viper/msc spawning with every abilities available ... now free warp-prism speed please ._. don't do that.


I agree with this, removing this from game should be last option, when tweaking isnt enough.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 28 2013 18:31 GMT
#115
I think Blizzard is following the philosophy that they want every race to have strong, potentiall imbalanced options rather than having every race equally weak.

Medivac got faster and it is really strong now, rather than nerf the medivac lets buff the warp prism.
I don't know how this will work out but I like the philosophy and it should really add excitement.
warp prism harass is one of the most exciting this you can see from a protoss imo
Zerg for Life
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
May 28 2013 18:32 GMT
#116
On May 29 2013 03:20 larse wrote:
Protoss is not underperforming in Korea.

David Kim got the wrong impression.

Here is the Korean winrate since release
[image loading]
http://i.imgur.com/GVFU7No.png

Here is April winrate:
[image loading]
http://i.imgur.com/2VGA4RP.png


You sure about that???

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Statistics
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
May 28 2013 18:33 GMT
#117
return of bisuu
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
TrickyGilligan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States641 Posts
May 28 2013 18:33 GMT
#118
My first reaction was that they will be way too fast... but that was my first reaction to Speedvacs too. I still hate dealing with them, but it's completely doable. Just frustrating. If this goes through I'm sure people will have the same reaction to Prisms.
"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it." -Groucho Marx
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
May 28 2013 18:33 GMT
#119
On May 29 2013 03:32 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 03:20 larse wrote:
Protoss is not underperforming in Korea.

David Kim got the wrong impression.

Here is the Korean winrate since release
[image loading]
http://i.imgur.com/GVFU7No.png

Here is April winrate:
[image loading]
http://i.imgur.com/2VGA4RP.png


You sure about that???

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Statistics


I'm very sure. WCS is not the whole scene. These charts include much more than WCS.
GattAttack
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Canada202 Posts
May 28 2013 18:37 GMT
#120
On May 29 2013 03:31 KelsierSC wrote:
I think Blizzard is following the philosophy that they want every race to have strong, potentiall imbalanced options rather than having every race equally weak.

Medivac got faster and it is really strong now, rather than nerf the medivac lets buff the warp prism.
I don't know how this will work out but I like the philosophy and it should really add excitement.
warp prism harass is one of the most exciting this you can see from a protoss imo


Ya my main problem right now is that while this will probably be more fun when I'm watching SC2, it's starting to look like a vicious cycle (terran gets buffed, so toss gets buffed so zerg gets buffed, so terran...etc) that's ending with a series of tech that's too good for the relatively quick time that it comes out.

As a player whose far from amazing it's just overwhelming.
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