EPTYou don't want to listen ? Look at this thread in 2009, even in BW it was the same shit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342
Evil Geniuses Releases Greg "IdrA" Fields - Page 138
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Wertheron
France439 Posts
You don't want to listen ? Look at this thread in 2009, even in BW it was the same shit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342 | ||
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bGr.MetHiX
Bulgaria511 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:55 gamerdude12345 wrote: What I predict will happen 1. Idra race changes to Terran 2. Idra uses his saved up cash to fly to korea 3. iloveoov and Boxer decide to take him on as a protege 4. He joins SKT T1 5. He changes his name to Idrajit 6. He all-kills EG-TL in the finals of Proleague; SKT T1 vs EGTL 7. you wake up and there's a drool pond on ur pillow | ||
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xPliCt
Germany143 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:55 gamerdude12345 wrote: What I predict will happen 1. Idra race changes to Terran 2. Idra uses his saved up cash to fly to korea 3. iloveoov and Boxer decide to take him on as a protege 4. He joins SKT T1 5. He changes his name to Idrajit 6. He all-kills EG-TL in the finals of Proleague; SKT T1 vs EGTL 7. he wakes up | ||
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GaNgStaRR.ElV
Canada535 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:50 FuzZyLogic wrote: So are you low-master? What years did you follow bw? I feel like you are just saying you did to prove me wrong.. I would like to hear reasons why you say sc2 is better? As far as the much larger foreign scene I can see that, but as far as quality of games/gameplay? My first game of edit:Starcraft was in 1998, played it on and off until WC3 came out when I followed the pro-scene there instead of BW(at the time following pro-BW was a pain in the ass). I got into BW a few times in those years as a I fell in and out of love with WC3 and prepared for the release of SC2. Can't really tell you the years because honestly why the hell would I remember exactly the years I followed BW, it all blur's into one. I believe SC2 to be the better game because it is newer and is the continuation of the classic. I don't cry about spilt milk like some people who cry for lurkers, reavers and defilers because this game doesn't need them. Oh and the fact that it isn't a logistical nightmare just to play on a basic level or god forbid you ever wish to get someone into it, that you cant dodge opponents due to the ladder system, all community stuff you mentioned. Just the fact that I can pop up my comp, hit 3 keys and a password, and be matched with an opponent with almost no thought required makes it a better game. And honestly, compare BW games from early 2001 with SC2 games from 2013, they are pretty comparable. The only real difference is that BW set up our scene to expect a super-high level of gameplay so that the early roots of SC2 seemed like a down-grade, people forget that BW had 10 years to marinate and develop a deep meta-game, whereas SC2 is just developing that metagame. | ||
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Ficetool
Germany165 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:58 Rabiator wrote: With HotS the game has turned MUCH MORE harrass centered and people have to realize that they MUST build static defenses to get rid of or at least deter Medivacs and Oracles. If someone lets another player do that to him then he deserves to lose, but there are a ton of ways to shut down harrassment and they pretty much involve static defenses. Even if a Spore Crawler doesnt do anything against a Widow Mine it can detect them AND it shoots the Medivac which drops the mine. It also doesnt cost any gas, which is kinda rare in the early stages of the game. All it takes is accepting this fact and getting rid of the "static defenses are uncool" mantra from your general thinking. ---- As someone who used to rage and rant at every lost game I can say there is a way to get rid of that rage. For me the change happened when I was roughly 12 years old ... some decades ago. It might be a bit too late for IdrA now, but the rage is fueled by the will to win and the frustration of not winning. Take away the rage and you have to take a part of the NEED to win as well ... which also fuels determination to practice. And because Polt actually used widowmine drops in this scenario and did not just run groups of units to the bases and/or dropped further away and stimmed there in order to kill them your argument is completely relevant and helps us understand how idra could have handled the situation. Thanks for your insightful comment which is totally related to the late game situation of the game =) | ||
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pms
Poland611 Posts
He was BM to polt in his WCS match but that wasn't much of an issue for them because he has always been BM to other pros. What happened was that IdrA responded to a post on Team Liquid that was saying that he was a nice guy and IdrA said "nope, you're all a bunch of fucks, it just so happens that I get paid to treat you like it. It's fucking awesome." Note this was a fan defending IdrA that he said this to. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
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GaNgStaRR.ElV
Canada535 Posts
On May 10 2013 19:02 Ficetool wrote: And because Polt actually used widowmine drops in this scenario and did not just run groups of units to the bases and/or dropped further away and stimmed there in order to kill them your argument is completely relevant and helps us understand how idra could have handled the situation. Thanks for your insightful comment which is totally related to the late game situation of the game =) His point stands if you change "spore" for "spine". Way to be a douchebag. PS sarcasm totally doesn't work online | ||
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vAtAZz
France250 Posts
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Usernameffs
Sweden107 Posts
On May 10 2013 19:03 bluQ wrote: Idra changing to LoL. Heard it here first´- Why would he change to LoL when he's a macro baed strategy gamer and can go back to school instead of playing a dying LoL. | ||
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Gravesong
United States96 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:36 Xenomorph wrote: Idra is an interesting personality. Even if he feels self entitled at times. This is because he's always been a pro gamer and had success. I'm of a libertarian mindset that having a large ego is actually good, because it means you are trying to be the best that you can and think that way as well. At any rate it will be interesting to see what team he goes to next. I understand that opinion to an extent, having a strong personality as well as a lot of confidence is excellent for a progamer. But with esports becoming bigger and more professional as an industry, the added responsibilities, especially regarding fans and media, should be taught to these guys. They need some personal managers like any other sport business -- the top athletes in the world have them to direct them, help them make the best decisions financially, and to help push them in the right directions for their careers. I guess esports may be a bit young for this, esp. with much less money and profitability for the majority of players, but I wish there were more mentors that could help cultivate these talents. We need like more youth systems like in European soccer with authority figures who can help guide future stars or something. | ||
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Gallerz
United Kingdom5 Posts
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GnoM
Norway145 Posts
But probably a good move for EG. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:55 gamerdude12345 wrote: EGTL in the finals of Proleague? Shit, I believed everything else. 6. He all-kills EG-TL in the finals of Proleague; SKT T1 vs EGTL  | ||
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Exstasy
United Kingdom393 Posts
But judging his form and current skill, he really didn't deserve to be a salaried player. I think EG has just made a smart financial decision | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:56 Jayson X wrote: You know what rubbed me the wrong way is how high incontrol held idra up in the air. So yeah I get he's your friend but that's exactly why I don't follow SC2 anymore when we value "characters" so much higher than they actually are. He posts a negative comment on reddit or twitter and people go insane? That's because he's an attention whore. I'm tired of this soap opera for the small minded in this community. The phrase "I'm kind of a big deal on the internet" comes to mind. Noone really cares once life goes on.That's why the community is so fast jumping from one thing to another. Give this another week and no one cares that Idra got thrown out of EG. He commentated or played well? There's a mass of other players and commentators to step in that are much more willing to not shit on the community and their employers. So yeah Incontrol he might be your friend. But your friend is kind of a fuck up. A little real world wouldn't hurt that guy. The vocal loyals together with witch-hunters and drama-bees overstate the numbers of people interested in what a guy like IdrA said about something. His name makes news for the force of his BW feats and his unmistakable BM. It's only a soap opera for the people that feed off it. That's an aside to society not to the player that prompts it. It's the plurality (or majority) of a reddit-like following that sustains these self-righteous calls of "Look at all that undeserved attention!" How about talking about the silent majority of chuckling viewers that say, "Oh, IdrA" after his antics as they would a child of some famous actor. InControl does his thing for his teammate and its frankly fine and dandy. Nothing here points to a misplaced value in "characters." From the minority that goes insane, you miss the majority that laugh and click the next link. | ||
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Ficetool
Germany165 Posts
On May 10 2013 19:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote: His point stands if you change "spore" for "spine". Way to be a douchebag. PS sarcasm totally doesn't work online For one drop you need at least 3 spines. NOt considering the fact that the Terran can simply walk around them and snipe the hatechery anyway. But thanks for your thought through post. It really helped to enforce his point that didnt make any sense to begin with as it lacks pratical usage. In theory all of those fantastic static defense theories work. In pratice they hardly do. All the can do is delay the terran. And if your army is engaging elswhere or has to defend versus the mian army, your base will fall, no matter how much defense you put there=) | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
I think EG has just made a smart financial decision .. think again. | ||
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Destroyr
Germany299 Posts
On May 10 2013 19:02 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote: My first game of BW was in 1998, played it on and off until WC3 came out when I followed the pro-scene there instead of BW(at the time following pro-BW was a pain in the ass). I got into BW a few times in those years as a I fell in and out of love with WC3 and prepared for the release of SC2. Can't really tell you the years because honestly why the hell would I remember exactly the years I followed BW, it all blur's into one. I believe SC2 to be the better game because it is newer and is the continuation of the classic. I don't cry about spilt milk like some people who cry for lurkers, reavers and defilers because this game doesn't need them. Oh and the fact that it isn't a logistical nightmare just to play on a basic level or god forbid you ever wish to get someone into it, that you cant dodge opponents due to the ladder system, all community stuff you mentioned. Just the fact that I can pop up my comp, hit 3 keys and a password, and be matched with an opponent with almost no thought required makes it a better game. And honestly, compare BW games from early 2001 with SC2 games from 2013, they are pretty comparable. The only real difference is that BW set up our scene to expect a super-high level of gameplay so that the early roots of SC2 seemed like a down-grade, people forget that BW had 10 years to marinate and develop a deep meta-game, whereas SC2 is just developing that metagame. I don't get your point. I cant help but see missed opportunities when I compare the games and think about the huge problems like "supply inflation" or "mapmaking". | ||
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GaNgStaRR.ElV
Canada535 Posts
On May 10 2013 19:10 Ficetool wrote: For one drop you need at least 3 spines. NOt considering the fact that the Terran can simply walk around them and snipe the hatechery anyway. But thanks for your thought through post. It really helped to enforce his point that didnt make any sense to begin with as it lacks pratical usage. In theory all of those fantastic static defense theories work. In pratice they hardly do. All the can do is delay the terran. And if your army is engaging elswhere or has to defend versus the mian army, your base will fall, no matter how much defense you put there=) You call me low-master and yet completely forget the fact that to quote you "static defence buys time" for you to split off enough units to defend the base. Judging by the fact you don't even consider this an option is ridiculous, it's called basic skills. | ||
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