Evil Geniuses Releases Greg "IdrA" Fields - Page 139

riyanme

Philippines940 Posts

May 10 2013 10:13 GMT

#2761

a team only releases a player or the other way around when they are not "useful" anymore. common sense. enough with the silly "excuses". you just have to live with it.

Targe

United Kingdom14103 Posts

May 10 2013 10:13 GMT

#2762

Holy crap just read that comment, now I see why.

MoonfireSpam

United Kingdom1153 Posts

May 10 2013 10:16 GMT

#2763

On May 10 2013 18:36 Xenomorph wrote:
Idra is an interesting personality. Even if he feels self entitled at times. This is because he's always been a pro gamer and had success. I'm of a libertarian mindset that having a large ego is actually good, because it means you are trying to be the best that you can and think that way as well.

At any rate it will be interesting to see what team he goes to next.

It's good as long as it gives you the confidence to go out and do stuff and it stops you choking.

It's bad when you just end up going "omg you so bad, I hope you die, would have beaten you anyway", stop trying, and kill yourself. Then refuse to learn from your mistakes because you think you are god.

Sure there's always room for the Michael Vicks, Chris Browns, Piers Morgans, Dennis Rodmans and Paris Hiltons et al.

GaNgStaRR.ElV

Canada535 Posts

May 10 2013 10:16 GMT

#2764

On May 10 2013 19:12 Destroyr wrote:

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Most Korean teams can easily match IdrA's salary with EG, especially KeSPA teams.

i'd like to see what convinced you to think that ludicrous statement is even remotely true.

Or what Korean team is going to want to employ a player who quits a 200/200 game against Polt.

Please learn to understand the game..... Idra had already lost. He simply didn't want to take the off chance to take the fight and win by a nmiracle. Just PLESA learn to play before posting stupid statements like this

Im sorry but as long as you have a 200/200 army, mining bases and a bank, you can't say anyone has "lost".

Always nice to see low-master criticize pro-gamers. Granted, there is always a chance to win.. His were extremely low and it WAS a disservice to fans but don't pretend like you understand the situation.

btw: ask ANYONE who seriously followed bw and sc2 (while they were active, not watched vods from years ago). Try to find one person who says sc2 is the better game.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying sc2, but it's simply the only competitive rts right now.. Being the only choice doesn't mean it's an objectively great game.

Ok,I seriously followed bw, wc3 and sc2, I think sc2 is the better game. Your extremely abstract statement means nothing because you just put words in people's mouths.

And I love how you subjectively write off my opinion based on your perceived opinion on my skill level, clearly all I have to do is beat you is take one advantage, thanks.

I never said Idra was in winning position but he should atleast have the bloody honor to go out like a man fighting, trying to capture that moment of brilliance, rather than just being an embarassment to the professionalism of esports.

So are you low-master? What years did you follow bw? I feel like you are just saying you did to prove me wrong.. I would like to hear reasons why you say sc2 is better? As far as the much larger foreign scene I can see that, but as far as quality of games/gameplay?

My first game of BW was in 1998, played it on and off until WC3 came out when I followed the pro-scene there instead of BW(at the time following pro-BW was a pain in the ass).

I got into BW a few times in those years as a I fell in and out of love with WC3 and prepared for the release of SC2. Can't really tell you the years because honestly why the hell would I remember exactly the years I followed BW, it all blur's into one.

I believe SC2 to be the better game because it is newer and is the continuation of the classic. I don't cry about spilt milk like some people who cry for lurkers, reavers and defilers because this game doesn't need them.

Oh and the fact that it isn't a logistical nightmare just to play on a basic level or god forbid you ever wish to get someone into it, that you cant dodge opponents due to the ladder system, all community stuff you mentioned. Just the fact that I can pop up my comp, hit 3 keys and a password, and be matched with an opponent with almost no thought required makes it a better game.

And honestly, compare BW games from early 2001 with SC2 games from 2013, they are pretty comparable. The only real difference is that BW set up our scene to expect a super-high level of gameplay so that the early roots of SC2 seemed like a down-grade, people forget that BW had 10 years to marinate and develop a deep meta-game, whereas SC2 is just developing that metagame.

I don't get your point. I cant help but see missed opportunities when I compare the games and think about the huge problems like "supply inflation" or "mapmaking".

My point was that comparing 2009 BW and 2013 SC2 is unfair(which is what a lot of people do), thus I was emploring you to rewatch BW from 2001-2004 and you will see BW in the state SC2 was in(probably worse, because SC2 strategy had a beginning in BW and many things carried over).

Yes I see missed opportunities too, like not making a deal with KESPA in 2010 that would have helped keep the KESPA scene at it's peak, helped SC2 sales in Korea etc. and I agree the maps for the first 2 years were pretty stale, but frankly I have enjoyed the SC2 scene much more than I ever did the BW/WC3 scene.

Ficetool

Germany165 Posts

May 10 2013 10:17 GMT

#2765

On May 10 2013 19:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:

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i'd like to see what convinced you to think that ludicrous statement is even remotely true.

Or what Korean team is going to want to employ a player who quits a 200/200 game against Polt.

Im sorry but as long as you have a 200/200 army, mining bases and a bank, you can't say anyone has "lost".

If your opponent has one mining base more, can harrass you all game long without having a chance to do sth about it and continously poke your army with HSM you have pretty much lost. Of course, as i said, there wa a small chance he could have somehow made it and I agree that he should have stay and at least tried something. However, his chances of winning were like non existent

With HotS the game has turned MUCH MORE harrass centered and people have to realize that they MUST build static defenses to get rid of or at least deter Medivacs and Oracles. If someone lets another player do that to him then he deserves to lose, but there are a ton of ways to shut down harrassment and they pretty much involve static defenses. Even if a Spore Crawler doesnt do anything against a Widow Mine it can detect them AND it shoots the Medivac which drops the mine. It also doesnt cost any gas, which is kinda rare in the early stages of the game. All it takes is accepting this fact and getting rid of the "static defenses are uncool" mantra from your general thinking.

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As someone who used to rage and rant at every lost game I can say there is a way to get rid of that rage. For me the change happened when I was roughly 12 years old ... some decades ago. It might be a bit too late for IdrA now, but the rage is fueled by the will to win and the frustration of not winning. Take away the rage and you have to take a part of the NEED to win as well ... which also fuels determination to practice.

And because Polt actually used widowmine drops in this scenario and did not just run groups of units to the bases and/or dropped further away and stimmed there in order to kill them your argument is completely relevant and helps us understand how idra could have handled the situation. Thanks for your insightful comment which is totally related to the late game situation of the game =)

His point stands if you change "spore" for "spine". Way to be a douchebag. PS sarcasm totally doesn't work online

For one drop you need at least 3 spines. NOt considering the fact that the Terran can simply walk around them and snipe the hatechery anyway. But thanks for your thought through post. It really helped to enforce his point that didnt make any sense to begin with as it lacks pratical usage.
In theory all of those fantastic static defense theories work. In pratice they hardly do. All the can do is delay the terran. And if your army is engaging elswhere or has to defend versus the mian army, your base will fall, no matter how much defense you put there=)

You call me low-master and yet completely forget the fact that to quote you "static defence buys time" for you to split off enough units to defend the base. Judging by the fact you don't even consider this an option is ridiculous, it's called basic skills.

I never called you anything, I don't know where you got that from.
Of course you can split something away from your main force. It needs to be a lot though as Bio is very effective vs any kind of melee units. Not mentionig the fact that you weaken your main force considerably by doing so, the Terran will just pick up if he can't win the fight and drop another base which he can do very fast with speed vacs.
You will lose so much time chasing him that your hatcheries are gonna fall eventiually anyway. If you place enough army there to defend both bases you will lose the main fight (quite likely).

FatBat

Germany326 Posts

May 10 2013 10:18 GMT

#2766

On May 10 2013 19:11 m4inbrain wrote:

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.. think again.

they lost his value(streaming, being the face of EG's sc2, etc) but maybe some sponsor said that needs to stop. Don't forget they are not only sc2, where idra is well known

FoxerGames

Australia120 Posts

May 10 2013 10:18 GMT

#2767

My prediction on what happened:
1. Owner of EG sees idra leaves a game early and gets pissed off (I've heard somewhere where Alex apparently told idea off for leaving the game early and was told not to).
2. Still fuming over the situation, he sees a reddit post about idra mocking a person defending him
3. Gets really mad and gives idra the last straw and kicks him out.

gamerdude12345

Korea (South)378 Posts

May 10 2013 10:18 GMT

#2768

Alliance.Idra

Batch

Sweden692 Posts

May 10 2013 10:19 GMT

#2769

On May 10 2013 19:13 riyanme wrote:
a team only releases a player or the other way around when they are not "useful" anymore. common sense. enough with the silly "excuses". you just have to live with it.

There are no excuses. They felt he hurt the team more than he helped it when he talked shit about the community and their fans. It's not like they pulling an excuse from thier ass, they had plenty of reasons to let him go.

I hope this isn't the last we hear from IdrA.

Bunn

Estonia934 Posts

May 10 2013 10:19 GMT

#2770

End of an era.

Iberville

Canada207 Posts

May 10 2013 10:19 GMT

#2771

On May 10 2013 19:18 FoxerGames wrote:
My prediction on what happened:
1. Owner of EG sees idra leaves a game early and gets pissed off (I've heard somewhere where Alex apparently told idea off for leaving the game early and was told not to).
2. Still fuming over the situation, he sees a reddit post about idra mocking a person defending him
3. Gets really mad and gives idra the last straw and kicks him out.

I doubt the decision is based on a single game. There's something cumulative here for there to be such a harsh punishment.

m4inbrain

1505 Posts

May 10 2013 10:20 GMT

#2772

On May 10 2013 19:18 FatBat wrote:

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they lost his value(streaming, being the face of EG's sc2, etc) but maybe some sponsor said that needs to stop. Don't forget they are not only sc2, where idra is well known

I don't think a sponsor cares if a player has a "dick personality". Look at our nemesis, Balotelli. As long as he is not racist etc, no reason for a sponsor to jump in.

lessQQmorePEWPEW

Jamaica921 Posts

May 10 2013 10:21 GMT

#2773

On May 10 2013 19:19 Bunn wrote:
End of an era.

lol.. an era.. really? the guy can shove shit in your mouth and you would probably thank him for it. its saddening how much self respect you have given up supporting this brat.

Gamlet

Ukraine336 Posts

May 10 2013 10:21 GMT

#2774

Idra cant play at Proleague.So much players better than Idra.If EG have B -team maybe he can play in this team.

jackslater

Russian Federation604 Posts

May 10 2013 10:22 GMT

#2775

Oh dear Idra, sad very sad...

Jellikit

Sweden258 Posts

May 10 2013 10:23 GMT

#2776

ohhhhhh cool shirt
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Defacer

Canada5052 Posts

May 10 2013 10:25 GMT

#2777

This is true. I remember EG Alex writing an epic post after Naniwa threw his game against Nestea, and him describing an incident where he had to reprimand IdrA for leaving or blowing off a game early.

Alex is very tolerant of BM, but very intolerant of players that don't give a shit. In sports, it's imperative that the audience believes that they are watching a real, fair competition, and that players care about winning and losing. It's what makes sports compelling, inspiring, and gives it value as a product.

It's why match-fixing, hacking and cheating are absolutely not tolerated in any sport.

GaNgStaRR.ElV

Canada535 Posts

May 10 2013 10:25 GMT

#2778

On May 10 2013 19:17 Ficetool wrote:

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On May 10 2013 17:53 Evangelist wrote:
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Or what Korean team is going to want to employ a player who quits a 200/200 game against Polt.

Im sorry but as long as you have a 200/200 army, mining bases and a bank, you can't say anyone has "lost".

His point stands if you change "spore" for "spine". Way to be a douchebag. PS sarcasm totally doesn't work online

Sorry it was Fuzzy.Logic not you, got confused. Yes you are again correct in some regards but at this point we are so theory, you don't need to crush a drop you just need to keep it from your hatch. If your army comp isn't capable of dealing with what the opposition is throwing at you clearly you need to change the composition. I mean Polt deserved to win because of the way he pulled Idra around(and Idra showed he had no right to be in that league through his for games, particularly bane bust on Akilon which should be a highlight on "when cheese fails") but I can't help but feel a player with more multitask and composure would have provided a lot more trouble for Polt.

TBH I feel like too many Z get in this situation where they are too afraid to properly attack Terran mining bases with PF's+army, so the T does what Polt did, defends those bases with main army while dropping like crazy, hoping the Z just gets mad and A-moves into a concave/minefield/PF rather than trying to respond to the Terran by attempting to pull him around a little. I just see so much offensive potential of the Z race that no one uses..

Bunn

Estonia934 Posts

May 10 2013 10:25 GMT

#2779

On May 10 2013 19:21 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:

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lol.. an era.. really? the guy can shove shit in your mouth and you would probably thank him for it. its saddening how much self respect you have given up supporting this brat.

Hey, I don't like him. But this IS and end of an era. Idra has been the staple of EG for a long time, and recently his job revolved around creating hype, whether good or bad. EG is moving on from that model.

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That's really shitty for Idra actually. Moving to a new place, only to get informed that you are fired.