On May 15 2013 22:53 Embir wrote: Love him or hate him, IdrA did a very good job at promoting SC2, wheter intentionally or not, in first stages of Wings of Liberty. His bad attitude, manners and heel aura created stories. To this day I remember his finals vs. TLO or WhiteRa, his rage outbursts against Drewbie or Masq, or abruptly ended games against HuK or MMA.
At first I was taking his opinions as a voice of reason, I truly believed he was smart and knowledgable enough to speak about game balance in objective manner, it seemed his rage was induced by game imbalances.
In my opinion his downward spiral really started at the moment when zergs started to dominate after queen and infestor buff. His moans about imbalance were pathetic at best, especially when all around zergs were winning and dominating. No longer people were seeing him as knowledgable, passionate player, who is stopped from winning only by bad game design; they saw his true face - face of whiny, assuming, raging dude, who is too stubborn to learn on his own mistakes.
When he played his best he was ideal bad boy of SC2, after queenpatch he became caricature of his former self.
Incontrol said it best when he asked Idra which race was the weakest in Brood War. He couldn't for a second say or believe anything than the race he was playing (Terran). Idra is an extremely sore loser who blames everything on everything except him since way before SC2 came out.
He never had a downward spiral. He has always been the same, and it's good for once the community and his team refuses to put up with his shit imo.
He has done horrific things for SC2 and destroyed it's image. Imagine how much QQing and Balance whining Protoss we'd have at the start of WoL if he started off playing Protoss. It would be just as bad as the Zerg balance imba.
At the end of wings (starting after queen patch change) you must have missed how bad the qq'ing was done by terran and protoss. It was EASILY as bad as early wol zerg QQ'ing.
The point is, it wasnt lead by IdrA and his 100,000 fanboys backing every word he says. Thats what makes it over the top. Every race has their balance whine (and at certain periods of the meta, rightfully so) but IdrA did it at all periods of play, even at the end of WoL when zerg literally won everything, and since his fanbase of immature 13 year old kids is so large, they perpetuated his "cause" more vocally than terran and protoss combined.
What?
The end of WoL was non-stop "Patchzerg" every single tournament, every single race discussion, every XvZ strategy. Every single thread about any kind of gameplay devolved into 5-range Queen whining, every single LR thread mocked any Zerg that won a game. It was impossible to talk about anything related to the game without the discussion somehow looping back to Zerg OP.
The community doesn't need IdrA's help to devolve into a cesspool.
People refer to it as Lings of Liberty for a reason.
Yes, cause they are stupid.
ohhhh zergs STILL butthurt about the infestor nerf?
Some people are so thick :/
I wouldnt be playing hots if not for the infestor nerf. I fucking hated it almost as much as the colossus. It is NOT fun to play as or against. It is not fun to watch and it caused ever idiot Terran to foam at the mouth every time they say a zerg play. There is no reason I would like it.
Calling WOL lings of liberty is dumb because overall Terran did just as good as Zerg. BTW I don't just play Zerg...
Mostly people called it lings of liberty cuz of Ver's great post, but I think we all have to admit that this is definitely sidetracking the actual thread which is about idra. Personally I've already stated in this forum how I feel about the guy's attitude. Though I feel like people are mixing that up with him as a person, which is different.
On May 15 2013 22:53 Embir wrote: Love him or hate him, IdrA did a very good job at promoting SC2, wheter intentionally or not, in first stages of Wings of Liberty. His bad attitude, manners and heel aura created stories. To this day I remember his finals vs. TLO or WhiteRa, his rage outbursts against Drewbie or Masq, or abruptly ended games against HuK or MMA.
At first I was taking his opinions as a voice of reason, I truly believed he was smart and knowledgable enough to speak about game balance in objective manner, it seemed his rage was induced by game imbalances.
In my opinion his downward spiral really started at the moment when zergs started to dominate after queen and infestor buff. His moans about imbalance were pathetic at best, especially when all around zergs were winning and dominating. No longer people were seeing him as knowledgable, passionate player, who is stopped from winning only by bad game design; they saw his true face - face of whiny, assuming, raging dude, who is too stubborn to learn on his own mistakes.
When he played his best he was ideal bad boy of SC2, after queenpatch he became caricature of his former self.
Incontrol said it best when he asked Idra which race was the weakest in Brood War. He couldn't for a second say or believe anything than the race he was playing (Terran). Idra is an extremely sore loser who blames everything on everything except him since way before SC2 came out.
He never had a downward spiral. He has always been the same, and it's good for once the community and his team refuses to put up with his shit imo.
He has done horrific things for SC2 and destroyed it's image. Imagine how much QQing and Balance whining Protoss we'd have at the start of WoL if he started off playing Protoss. It would be just as bad as the Zerg balance imba.
At the end of wings (starting after queen patch change) you must have missed how bad the qq'ing was done by terran and protoss. It was EASILY as bad as early wol zerg QQ'ing.
The point is, it wasnt lead by IdrA and his 100,000 fanboys backing every word he says. Thats what makes it over the top. Every race has their balance whine (and at certain periods of the meta, rightfully so) but IdrA did it at all periods of play, even at the end of WoL when zerg literally won everything, and since his fanbase of immature 13 year old kids is so large, they perpetuated his "cause" more vocally than terran and protoss combined.
What?
The end of WoL was non-stop "Patchzerg" every single tournament, every single race discussion, every XvZ strategy. Every single thread about any kind of gameplay devolved into 5-range Queen whining, every single LR thread mocked any Zerg that won a game. It was impossible to talk about anything related to the game without the discussion somehow looping back to Zerg OP.
The community doesn't need IdrA's help to devolve into a cesspool.
People refer to it as Lings of Liberty for a reason.
Yes, cause they are stupid.
ohhhh zergs STILL butthurt about the infestor nerf?
Some people are so thick :/
I wouldnt be playing hots if not for the infestor nerf. I fucking hated it almost as much as the colossus. It is NOT fun to play as or against. It is not fun to watch and it caused ever idiot Terran to foam at the mouth every time they say a zerg play. There is no reason I would like it.
Calling WOL lings of liberty is dumb because overall Terran did just as good as Zerg. BTW I don't just play Zerg...
Mostly people called it lings of liberty cuz of Ver's great post, but I think we all have to admit that this is definitely sidetracking the actual thread which is about idra. Personally I've already stated in this forum how I feel about the guy's attitude. Though I feel like people are mixing that up with him as a person, which is different.
Incontrol said it best when he asked Idra which race was the weakest in Brood War. He couldn't for a second say or believe anything than the race he was playing (Terran). Idra is an extremely sore loser who blames everything on everything except him since way before SC2 came out.
He never had a downward spiral. He has always been the same, and it's good for once the community and his team refuses to put up with his shit imo.
He has done horrific things for SC2 and destroyed it's image. Imagine how much QQing and Balance whining Protoss we'd have at the start of WoL if he started off playing Protoss. It would be just as bad as the Zerg balance imba.
At the end of wings (starting after queen patch change) you must have missed how bad the qq'ing was done by terran and protoss. It was EASILY as bad as early wol zerg QQ'ing.
The point is, it wasnt lead by IdrA and his 100,000 fanboys backing every word he says. Thats what makes it over the top. Every race has their balance whine (and at certain periods of the meta, rightfully so) but IdrA did it at all periods of play, even at the end of WoL when zerg literally won everything, and since his fanbase of immature 13 year old kids is so large, they perpetuated his "cause" more vocally than terran and protoss combined.
What?
The end of WoL was non-stop "Patchzerg" every single tournament, every single race discussion, every XvZ strategy. Every single thread about any kind of gameplay devolved into 5-range Queen whining, every single LR thread mocked any Zerg that won a game. It was impossible to talk about anything related to the game without the discussion somehow looping back to Zerg OP.
The community doesn't need IdrA's help to devolve into a cesspool.
People refer to it as Lings of Liberty for a reason.
Yes, cause they are stupid.
ohhhh zergs STILL butthurt about the infestor nerf?
Some people are so thick :/
I wouldnt be playing hots if not for the infestor nerf. I fucking hated it almost as much as the colossus. It is NOT fun to play as or against. It is not fun to watch and it caused ever idiot Terran to foam at the mouth every time they say a zerg play. There is no reason I would like it.
Calling WOL lings of liberty is dumb because overall Terran did just as good as Zerg. BTW I don't just play Zerg...
Mostly people called it lings of liberty cuz of Ver's great post, but I think we all have to admit that this is definitely sidetracking the actual thread which is about idra. Personally I've already stated in this forum how I feel about the guy's attitude. Though I feel like people are mixing that up with him as a person, which is different.
Thats why they are thick. Ver was joking.
I'm starting to see a pattern with your posts. You discuss balance whatever the thread is, and you use mild insults. (Calling people think is not a nice way to talk.)
On May 15 2013 22:53 Embir wrote: Love him or hate him, IdrA did a very good job at promoting SC2, wheter intentionally or not, in first stages of Wings of Liberty. His bad attitude, manners and heel aura created stories. To this day I remember his finals vs. TLO or WhiteRa, his rage outbursts against Drewbie or Masq, or abruptly ended games against HuK or MMA.
At first I was taking his opinions as a voice of reason, I truly believed he was smart and knowledgable enough to speak about game balance in objective manner, it seemed his rage was induced by game imbalances.
In my opinion his downward spiral really started at the moment when zergs started to dominate after queen and infestor buff. His moans about imbalance were pathetic at best, especially when all around zergs were winning and dominating. No longer people were seeing him as knowledgable, passionate player, who is stopped from winning only by bad game design; they saw his true face - face of whiny, assuming, raging dude, who is too stubborn to learn on his own mistakes.
When he played his best he was ideal bad boy of SC2, after queenpatch he became caricature of his former self.
Incontrol said it best when he asked Idra which race was the weakest in Brood War. He couldn't for a second say or believe anything than the race he was playing (Terran). Idra is an extremely sore loser who blames everything on everything except him since way before SC2 came out.
He never had a downward spiral. He has always been the same, and it's good for once the community and his team refuses to put up with his shit imo.
He has done horrific things for SC2 and destroyed it's image. Imagine how much QQing and Balance whining Protoss we'd have at the start of WoL if he started off playing Protoss. It would be just as bad as the Zerg balance imba.
At the end of wings (starting after queen patch change) you must have missed how bad the qq'ing was done by terran and protoss. It was EASILY as bad as early wol zerg QQ'ing.
The point is, it wasnt lead by IdrA and his 100,000 fanboys backing every word he says. Thats what makes it over the top. Every race has their balance whine (and at certain periods of the meta, rightfully so) but IdrA did it at all periods of play, even at the end of WoL when zerg literally won everything, and since his fanbase of immature 13 year old kids is so large, they perpetuated his "cause" more vocally than terran and protoss combined.
What?
The end of WoL was non-stop "Patchzerg" every single tournament, every single race discussion, every XvZ strategy. Every single thread about any kind of gameplay devolved into 5-range Queen whining, every single LR thread mocked any Zerg that won a game. It was impossible to talk about anything related to the game without the discussion somehow looping back to Zerg OP.
The community doesn't need IdrA's help to devolve into a cesspool.
Obviously no single person is responsible for the culure in the community, but it's also obvious that Idra has had more influence than most if not anyone. He has more fans and speak from a larger platform than probably anyone else in the starcraft community and he has chosen to use that for "stupid fucking faggot get cancer and die u fucker". To think that doens't effect the mindset of people watching is naive.
He had everyone chance to try and change the way people think about starcraft but he couldn't be assed, and then he goes and complains about the community. It would be fun if it wasn't so sad.
I don't know what's more naive...that you think IdrA had a chance in hell about changing the community's attitude, or that you think he's to blame for not changing it.
This is the internet. It's like this everywhere. We're all a collective bunch of fuckwads.
On May 11 2013 03:13 bGr.MetHiX wrote: Dear, crbox.
While i do agree i am nobody i must say your post leaves me with the impression you think you are somebody. It saddens me to ruin your fun by telling u the opposite. That does not change the fact that IdrA hasnt posted any results as of lately and continues acting like he is relevant to the scene, which just like you and me, he isnt because he hasnt accomplished anything lately.On top of that he is acting like a douchebag. So please stop acting like a douchebag yourself.
What do you mean I think I am somebody? I'm not famous but I'm somebody.. myself O_O..
Why do you come here and look for beef with people through a keyboard quit being a kid an man up a little, this isn't some youtube comments argument go take that somewhere else.
On May 12 2013 11:09 Joedaddy wrote: Just some of the highlights/interesting things (imo) from the interview for anyone interested: The Highlights:
1. Idra will not be continuing as a competitive player. This decision was made before* his release from EG. 2. Idra doesn't really want anyone sodomized with a tire iron or get cancer. 3. Idra has never been fined more than $500. for anything he has ever said/done. 4. Idra apologizes to his personal fans and all the fans of e-sports. He does not think we are all a bunch of [expletive]. 5. He stands by the decision to leave the game vs Polt on Daybreak. "Terran air is better than Zerg." 6. Idra believes the amount of money EG was paying him was a "bad business decision" for EG. "It was a very lucrative contract, and I don't think I was worth that much." 7. "Demuslim and I don't particularly like each other" 8. Idra will be focusing on casting and community content in the future. 9. EG has offered to pay Idra's rent for the duration of his current lease. 10. EG was pressured by sponsors to release Idra. 11."Mechanically, LoL is very casual, but I did underestimate the complexity of it. I play it (LoL) and I do enjoy it. If the community wants it, I will stream myself playing LoL." 12. Idra will NOT be leaving E-Sports.
Thx for the summary, just saved 38 mins of my life
My opinion: Idra did not deserve it. what he did was saying the truth. the more BM he is, the more popular he gets (and more valuable for EG). He was an icon and therefore a great asset for EG. There should have been another chance for him. People with overextended egos are what makes professional gaming what it is and idra was the guy who showed it most honestly and made it therefore so much fun to watch. For me, EG just got considerably less attractive.
On May 19 2013 01:46 michi1110 wrote: My opinion: Idra did not deserve it. what he did was saying the truth. the more BM he is, the more popular he gets (and more valuable for EG). He was an icon and therefore a great asset for EG. There should have been another chance for him. People with overextended egos are what makes professional gaming what it is and idra was the guy who showed it most honestly and made it therefore so much fun to watch. For me, EG just got considerably less attractive.
This is more deserving than what orb got a while back tho. After that episode I lost all faith in EG having any kind of spine whatsoever.
On May 19 2013 01:46 michi1110 wrote: My opinion: Idra did not deserve it. what he did was saying the truth. the more BM he is, the more popular he gets (and more valuable for EG). He was an icon and therefore a great asset for EG. There should have been another chance for him. People with overextended egos are what makes professional gaming what it is and idra was the guy who showed it most honestly and made it therefore so much fun to watch. For me, EG just got considerably less attractive.
This is more deserving than what orb got a while back tho. After that episode I lost all faith in EG having any kind of spine whatsoever.
On May 19 2013 01:46 michi1110 wrote: My opinion: Idra did not deserve it. what he did was saying the truth. the more BM he is, the more popular he gets (and more valuable for EG). He was an icon and therefore a great asset for EG. There should have been another chance for him. People with overextended egos are what makes professional gaming what it is and idra was the guy who showed it most honestly and made it therefore so much fun to watch. For me, EG just got considerably less attractive.
Well I don't think so. At this stage of SC2 development as e-sport I guess IdrA needs SC2 much more than SC2 needs IdrA. Take a look at yesterday's WCS Europe, great games, great players, fantastic atmosphere in the studio. SC2 is growing, for even a moment I didn't feel I miss bad boy in this all.
I love to watch his stream, partly because I like good games but much more because of shadenfreude. It just feels so good when some rude asshole throwing insults left and right gets smashed in rage inducing game.
Incontrol said it best when he asked Idra which race was the weakest in Brood War. He couldn't for a second say or believe anything than the race he was playing (Terran). Idra is an extremely sore loser who blames everything on everything except him since way before SC2 came out.
He never had a downward spiral. He has always been the same, and it's good for once the community and his team refuses to put up with his shit imo.
He has done horrific things for SC2 and destroyed it's image. Imagine how much QQing and Balance whining Protoss we'd have at the start of WoL if he started off playing Protoss. It would be just as bad as the Zerg balance imba.
At the end of wings (starting after queen patch change) you must have missed how bad the qq'ing was done by terran and protoss. It was EASILY as bad as early wol zerg QQ'ing.
The point is, it wasnt lead by IdrA and his 100,000 fanboys backing every word he says. Thats what makes it over the top. Every race has their balance whine (and at certain periods of the meta, rightfully so) but IdrA did it at all periods of play, even at the end of WoL when zerg literally won everything, and since his fanbase of immature 13 year old kids is so large, they perpetuated his "cause" more vocally than terran and protoss combined.
What?
The end of WoL was non-stop "Patchzerg" every single tournament, every single race discussion, every XvZ strategy. Every single thread about any kind of gameplay devolved into 5-range Queen whining, every single LR thread mocked any Zerg that won a game. It was impossible to talk about anything related to the game without the discussion somehow looping back to Zerg OP.
The community doesn't need IdrA's help to devolve into a cesspool.
People refer to it as Lings of Liberty for a reason.
Yes, cause they are stupid.
ohhhh zergs STILL butthurt about the infestor nerf?
Some people are so thick :/
I wouldnt be playing hots if not for the infestor nerf. I fucking hated it almost as much as the colossus. It is NOT fun to play as or against. It is not fun to watch and it caused ever idiot Terran to foam at the mouth every time they say a zerg play. There is no reason I would like it.
Calling WOL lings of liberty is dumb because overall Terran did just as good as Zerg. BTW I don't just play Zerg...
Mostly people called it lings of liberty cuz of Ver's great post, but I think we all have to admit that this is definitely sidetracking the actual thread which is about idra. Personally I've already stated in this forum how I feel about the guy's attitude. Though I feel like people are mixing that up with him as a person, which is different.
Thats why they are thick. Ver was joking.
I don't really want to get into this, but Ver himself said he intended it as a Satire, not a joke. There's a pretty big difference.
At the end of wings (starting after queen patch change) you must have missed how bad the qq'ing was done by terran and protoss. It was EASILY as bad as early wol zerg QQ'ing.
The point is, it wasnt lead by IdrA and his 100,000 fanboys backing every word he says. Thats what makes it over the top. Every race has their balance whine (and at certain periods of the meta, rightfully so) but IdrA did it at all periods of play, even at the end of WoL when zerg literally won everything, and since his fanbase of immature 13 year old kids is so large, they perpetuated his "cause" more vocally than terran and protoss combined.
What?
The end of WoL was non-stop "Patchzerg" every single tournament, every single race discussion, every XvZ strategy. Every single thread about any kind of gameplay devolved into 5-range Queen whining, every single LR thread mocked any Zerg that won a game. It was impossible to talk about anything related to the game without the discussion somehow looping back to Zerg OP.
The community doesn't need IdrA's help to devolve into a cesspool.
People refer to it as Lings of Liberty for a reason.
Yes, cause they are stupid.
ohhhh zergs STILL butthurt about the infestor nerf?
Some people are so thick :/
I wouldnt be playing hots if not for the infestor nerf. I fucking hated it almost as much as the colossus. It is NOT fun to play as or against. It is not fun to watch and it caused ever idiot Terran to foam at the mouth every time they say a zerg play. There is no reason I would like it.
Calling WOL lings of liberty is dumb because overall Terran did just as good as Zerg. BTW I don't just play Zerg...
Mostly people called it lings of liberty cuz of Ver's great post, but I think we all have to admit that this is definitely sidetracking the actual thread which is about idra. Personally I've already stated in this forum how I feel about the guy's attitude. Though I feel like people are mixing that up with him as a person, which is different.
Thats why they are thick. Ver was joking.
I'm starting to see a pattern with your posts. You discuss balance whatever the thread is, and you use mild insults. (Calling people think is not a nice way to talk.)
I have a bad habit of being unable to resist correcting what people say. I like to think I get it over with online so I am not like that IRL.
Mild insults are nothing to cry over imo especially if the person deserves it.
The point is, it wasnt lead by IdrA and his 100,000 fanboys backing every word he says. Thats what makes it over the top. Every race has their balance whine (and at certain periods of the meta, rightfully so) but IdrA did it at all periods of play, even at the end of WoL when zerg literally won everything, and since his fanbase of immature 13 year old kids is so large, they perpetuated his "cause" more vocally than terran and protoss combined.
What?
The end of WoL was non-stop "Patchzerg" every single tournament, every single race discussion, every XvZ strategy. Every single thread about any kind of gameplay devolved into 5-range Queen whining, every single LR thread mocked any Zerg that won a game. It was impossible to talk about anything related to the game without the discussion somehow looping back to Zerg OP.
The community doesn't need IdrA's help to devolve into a cesspool.
People refer to it as Lings of Liberty for a reason.
Yes, cause they are stupid.
ohhhh zergs STILL butthurt about the infestor nerf?
Some people are so thick :/
I wouldnt be playing hots if not for the infestor nerf. I fucking hated it almost as much as the colossus. It is NOT fun to play as or against. It is not fun to watch and it caused ever idiot Terran to foam at the mouth every time they say a zerg play. There is no reason I would like it.
Calling WOL lings of liberty is dumb because overall Terran did just as good as Zerg. BTW I don't just play Zerg...
Mostly people called it lings of liberty cuz of Ver's great post, but I think we all have to admit that this is definitely sidetracking the actual thread which is about idra. Personally I've already stated in this forum how I feel about the guy's attitude. Though I feel like people are mixing that up with him as a person, which is different.
Thats why they are thick. Ver was joking.
I'm starting to see a pattern with your posts. You discuss balance whatever the thread is, and you use mild insults. (Calling people think is not a nice way to talk.)
I have a bad habit of being unable to resist correcting what people say. I like to think I get it over with online so I am not like that IRL.
Mild insults are nothing to cry over imo especially if the person deserves it.
but it appears you didn't realize Ver wasn't quite joking
On May 16 2013 09:57 WolfintheSheep wrote: [quote] What?
The end of WoL was non-stop "Patchzerg" every single tournament, every single race discussion, every XvZ strategy. Every single thread about any kind of gameplay devolved into 5-range Queen whining, every single LR thread mocked any Zerg that won a game. It was impossible to talk about anything related to the game without the discussion somehow looping back to Zerg OP.
The community doesn't need IdrA's help to devolve into a cesspool.
People refer to it as Lings of Liberty for a reason.
Yes, cause they are stupid.
ohhhh zergs STILL butthurt about the infestor nerf?
Some people are so thick :/
I wouldnt be playing hots if not for the infestor nerf. I fucking hated it almost as much as the colossus. It is NOT fun to play as or against. It is not fun to watch and it caused ever idiot Terran to foam at the mouth every time they say a zerg play. There is no reason I would like it.
Calling WOL lings of liberty is dumb because overall Terran did just as good as Zerg. BTW I don't just play Zerg...
Mostly people called it lings of liberty cuz of Ver's great post, but I think we all have to admit that this is definitely sidetracking the actual thread which is about idra. Personally I've already stated in this forum how I feel about the guy's attitude. Though I feel like people are mixing that up with him as a person, which is different.
Thats why they are thick. Ver was joking.
I'm starting to see a pattern with your posts. You discuss balance whatever the thread is, and you use mild insults. (Calling people think is not a nice way to talk.)
I have a bad habit of being unable to resist correcting what people say. I like to think I get it over with online so I am not like that IRL.
Mild insults are nothing to cry over imo especially if the person deserves it.
but it appears you didn't realize Ver wasn't quite joking
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